Stop slagging off Apple iPods - they changed the world...I love my iPod touch.......fair enough I don't touch it as much as I used to know I've got my Cowon iaudio 10 with cool jeteffects........er....what the fugg was my point again?......er....well, I can go on the web with it .....and er....make videos with it .....suppose it's a good paper weight too.....er, what were we discussing again?
Have you tried the Fiio X5? how does it compare to Cowon's jeteffect? I was thinking of saving up for an X5 since it doubles as a DAC for home/office use.
The itunes software alone just makes my blood boil. It's a good pre-workout.
Sidenote: I never knew Killa Cam had this much bass. I've got my RX-V475 receiver hooked up to my e12 ( volume at 50 %, pads on my head) and it's vibrating my skull. W/ your cowon setup you'd probably get an aneurysm or something.
Yeah the ebay listing that was referred here a couple pages back is willing to ship int'l. I'll be able to experience as intended next week:
Have you tried the Fiio X5? how does it compare to Cowon's jeteffect? I was thinking of saving up for an X5 since it doubles as a DAC for home/office use.
The itunes software alone just makes my blood boil. It's a good pre-workout.
The Cowon iaudio10's jeteffects are pretty amazing for bass EQ though - if you check all the recent bass/paper test videos from me & HBB - it's that DAP used in conjunction with the Fiio E12 portable amp that is pushing the SPL bass air transfer onto the paper as in below video (note that all settings are shown)
FOSTEX TH900
[VIDEO]http://youtu.be/XbgOzsXz_-A[/VIDEO]
Cut in half sheet of fresh out the pack A4 printer paper used
No tape used - paper placed over left earcup with right ear cup holding/sealing
Test Conditions
Source:Cowon DAP ,Flat eq, BBE+8 MACH3BASS +9 playing
Test tracks: cb3723 Bassageddon Brutal Mix
Amp: FiioE12 with bass boost switch on, gain: 16dB Recommend:
Play video on full screen to check paper vibrations with fullest detail
LoL - thats the 2011 review of the original beats solo made by Monster - now massively outdated - but still very good for a laugh
Here's my up to date review of the new 2014 solo2 made by Beats LLC
:evil: BOOM! :evil:
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(Copy of beats (PRODUCT)RED solo2 on ear closed back portable headphones review found here)
Beats, the biggest headphone brand in the world, selling more headphones than any other by a large margin and with a huge 60% market share in it's domestic market in the USA, has largely been the default whipping boy by the audiophile community.....until now.
Why now and what's the deal?
Well, the beats sound signature has been steadily evolving for some time now, you could say beginning from their split from Monster cables whom Beats contracted to manufacture their early models of headphones. Since their split Beats have been continuously improving each successive release and redesign of headphone, notably the new Studio 2.0 or as sometimes referred to Studio 2013, the DJ centric beats mixr, the beats solo HD monochromatic and to their latest and some are calling their greatest sounding headphone to date, the solo2.
The solo2 had already been released for a couple of months with likes of myself and HiFiGuy528 giving them deserved praise, largely met by the Head-Fi community with the usual scepticism and the dreaded loud but seemingly proud - beats haters!.
All this changed overnight though when a true legend of audio reviews and measurements released his review of the solo2, namely Tyll Hertsens and BOOM! what an explosive review it is, titled "Time to Rethink Beats, the Solo2 is Excellent" http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/time-rethink-beats-solo2-excellent which Tyll followed up with his YouTube review, found here on Head-Fi with full transcript.
What you get for your monies
Pretty straight forward really, the headphones (of course), a, as Tyll called it "handy dandy" carry zipper carry pouch, audio cable, warranty documents, usual beats logo sticker and thats it.
Opening a pair of beats headphones, I've gotta say is second to none - the presentation is superb and the box it comes in is definitely a keeper that can be used for storing your solo2's in for more added protection, though not for carrying around with you on the move.
Build & Form
The solo2 is pretty much all plastic with metal re-enforcing on the headband and folding arm brackets, and though plastic, it's high grade stuff used, finished off with a very nice high gloss finish which on darker colours like black and navy blue, can be a fingerprint magnet, the lighter colours not so much. The earpads are nice and soft, finished in a very nice synthetic leather and the inner headband has a moderate amount of padding, but very comfortable and lightweight on wearing. Clamping force on the solo2 is noticeably stronger than it's previous model the solo HD monochromatic (drenched in colour), which IMO gives the prior model a slightly more comfortable fit, but at the expense of isolation ie music leaking out, where this gain in clamping force combined with larger earpads on the solo2 improves isolation and is a very well thought out slight compromise on comfort that I think pays off. These headphones are bigger in size than it's predecessor but still small enough and when folded make for superb portable, on the go headphones for sure. The 3.5mm jack terminated cable has a three button remote with speaker for phone calls, designed for Apple IOS devices, I'm unsure of what features work with Android devices. Cable is colour matched to the headphones and is tangle free type, feels very high quality and jack which connects to your source device is of L shape design and features metal logo finishing.
The most notable change of form is it's now virtual exact copy of the Studio 2.0 only smaller, which IMO is a big step up in this headphones robustness, but unlike the Studio 2.0 which requires it's built in rechargeable via USB battery to power it's ANC feature, the solo2 does not have such - to it's benefit, as your solo2 will run for as long as your source device has juice, and though the Studio 2.0's ANC is ok - IMO it's a feature that would have benefited from being left off than added...
Here's a copy of a post I made regarding all the different colours of beats solo2
Hmmm....well colour choice is about as personal as it gets - there's really no right or wrong choices I guess.
But here's my takedown of the colour crown
solo2 colour review (glossy)
Black - sophisticated and suave , elegant and subtle - though the maverick of the (current) solo2 pack as it's the only one with red "b" logo compared to the others silver reflective silver "b" on each outer earcup.
Red - no surprises here for my opinion on this colour - flamboyant , fun, vibrant and attracts attention. People will see you coming with these on from miles away.
"Hey, check out my new Dre" is What red solo2's gotta say
White - the polar opposite of black but equal in sophistication and subtlety - won't show up fingerprints like the black glossy finish fingerprint magnet.
Grey - beats for the hipsters who no longer can resist the lure of the mighty beats. Probs claim they are sporting their grey beats as an anti-beats reverse psychology statement when in reality - they lovin em, in an avant garde way but hey, like 2pac would say "that's just the way it is" and "things will never be the same" and " ahh yeah".
Pink - brings all the laaddiieeess boys to the yard, this candy pink can is not just for the female solo2 fan but also any cool cat metrosexual that is fashion cool intellectual and confident enough to beats solo2 without lookin ruff.
Navy Blue - for the Brofist few who dig same shade of blue of Cap.America and his Avengers crew, similar to Superman too.
solo2 colour review (matt)
Matt white - currently only available as an Apple exclusive, the matt white solo2 is so bright like beats future - you gotta wear shades.
Think of Medusa's head only rather of turning you stone dead it will glare you out instead.
The matt finish on this can is the same as it's predecessor - the solo HD monochromatic, only it's pushed things further from what I see in that even the "b" logo on outer each earcup is bright white too and is like an unofficial Studio 2.0 snarkitecture special edition, which has that can all brilliant white complete with a marble pillow storage/headphone stand.
solo2 matt bright white makes the glossy white equivalent look light grey.
Here's another track I'm recommending for the solo2
[COLOR=FF00AA]Go Euphoric with your solo2's! [/COLOR]
[VIDEO]http://youtu.be/SQH6oX2AwrM[/VIDEO]
[COLOR=FF00AA]THRO YO HANDS UP SOLO2 PARTY CREW![/COLOR]
My first impressions on the day of solo2's official UK Release (solo2 in grey colour was first colour of this can I picked up, followed by red, navy blue & black )
http://www.head-fi.org/t/721436/beats/45#post_10600004
Sound Quality
BOOM!
This is by far the most "neutral" sounding beats headphone to date, but is still by no means a genuinely neutral sound signature.
The bass on the solo2 is tight, punchy and controlled yet maintains its presence without alienating beats core fans, you could say this is a true blue audiophile beats headphone for sure and I've already recommended it to folks who are interested in the ULTRASONE Signature DJ which is a remarkably refined audiophile basshead headphone that's possibly peerless in its class. For those with an eye on the Signature DJ but who's budget doesn't quite stretch that far, the beats solo2 is a very credible and worthy cheaper alternative at approx a third less of the Sig DJ.
The mids and a highs are forward in my view but crisp and detailed with decent soundstage for a portable closed back headphone, highs are smooth and not harsh at all.
Which genres of music is good for the solo2 - with maybe the exception of classical - this headcan is good to go on everything - truly a headphone for all the people.
The solo2 also responds very well to EQ and upscales with amplification, yet nonetheless sounds amazing just plugged in directly to your source, be it iPod, iPad, smartphone etc.
This is a fun but refined sound I've heard very little from elsewhere and puts the solo2 in a very distinguished category IMO, regardless of brand, these are truly a revelation and something I think many will very much appreciate.
So what's the big deal?
Well, the big deal is pretty much as Mr.Hertsens remarked in his solo2 review - the solo2 headphone is likely to be the worlds most sold and therefore used headphone bar none - especially when you consider that Apple now own the beats brand and sell in every nook and cranny on the globe - they have an amazing market coverage, so this is the headphone that is going to deliver very high, if not audiophile quality sound to the masses - just think about the significance of that for a second.....
If there is such a thing as a gateway drug, then beats is then headphone equivalent - it was for me anyway - beats are what got me into this hobby and opened my eyes and ears to so much and it's beats that led me to head-fi and I can only but imagine the solo2 is going to do the same - only a million fold - so please greet the new breed of head-fiers that are on their way by the droves. Beats hating should now truly be over and welcomed as a credible audio brand like the rest we love and enjoy here on head-fi.
Is solo2 a one trick pony?
Not IMO - the solo2 may well be the straw that broke the camels back but there have been many more than credible headphones from beats to the lead up to the solo2, namely the Studio 2.0, Studio 2.0 wireless, mixr and solo HD monochromatic.
The beats sound has been evolving unnoticed by but a few on Head-Fi for quite some time now, outside of the legend that is HiFiGuy528, another first in this turnaround of perceptions was part time audiophile aka Scot Hull with his take on the Studio 2.0 here in his YT review.
If you imagine beats and haters in a bar brawl fight, there would be the beats appreciators in the minority against a majority of the most vicious in some cases, pack of beats hater wolves, the fight almost a war of attrition, when all of a sudden out of nowhere a mighty sucker punch comes out of the blue and sucker punches the wolves with one clean uppercut that is so profound, it's majestic in its delivery - SMACK! right on the haters chin......as the dust clears the owner of the sucker punch is revealed....Mr.Tyll Hertsens armed with his solo2 review that has the power to make people sit up and take note...
(LoL )
Legendary reviewers that aren't afraid to tell it as it is no matter how unpopular it may seem Tyll Hertsens--http://innerfidelity.com HiFiGuy528---http://hifiguy528.com Scot Hull---http://parttimeaudiophile.com
All 3 of above reviewers are also members here at Head-Fi
Summary
I recommend the solo2 to any and everybody that care about sound - so that's pretty much the entire Head-Fi community, with the caveat that this is not a neutral headphone but can be credibly considered as a basshead audiophile headphone of distinction as it is highly refined in sonics.
The solo2 is also a great portable on the move headphone that folds into a much smaller for for storage and is available in a range of colours to suit individual tastes.
Beats, if you will, has finally arrived....
Also very worth mentioning regarding the red colour solo2's
Beats by Dr. Dre contributes a portion from the purchase price of every Beats by Dre (PRODUCT)RED Solo2 Headphones to the Global Fund to fight AIDS.
I'm sure other headphone brands do similar contributions to worthwhile causes, but it's worth noting that beats have been doing this for sometime now, something that many of the beats haters seemed to miss
Recommended tracks for the solo2
Dr Dre feat. Eminem - "Forgot about Dre"
[VIDEO]http://youtu.be/E5a93wABHNM[/VIDEO]
Prophetic Lyrics 4 sure
("Ya'll know me still the same OG
But I been low key
Hated on by most these
you'd better bow down on both knees")
LL Cool J - "Mamma said knock you out"
"Don't call it a come back, I've been here for years"
[VIDEO]http://youtu.be/vimZj8HW0Kg[/VIDEO]
Skrillex "Punch" - "First of the Year"
[VIDEO]http://youtu.be/ivpOTb-Z71A[/VIDEO]
[COLOR=BLACK ]WARNING! The immensity of track + video listened with solo2 cans may reduce some to tears as they behold a new definition of Epic video made from film "Sucker Punch" which is equally - Epic "CALL 911 NOW!" :eek:[/COLOR]
It happens slowly
The watering down of a thread. A need to get hits and comments and see it as some form of validation when it's probably in this case.. 30% folks signing out and viewing as guests to see a train wreck that will not happen.
As the heat of a Japanese Summer moves along I will be occupied by Halloween and Christmas badassness but I will have more time to put into the thread. That means the dry thread surfing and note taking I did will be touched upon. The claims of low end prow res ...that will be met head on. It's the job of the thread to raise up cans and when compared to another it will appear to lower the other. That's just an illusion. It stayed where it was, it didn't get lowered. , another was raised though. I'm not concerned with folks feelings. This thread is for ranking. Folks will never be named as is policy of site and thread and cans will not be bashed but claims will be sought out and confirmed or put in the proper box labeled "opinion".
There are 2 OP's in this thread. We agree on what Extreme bass is and the need to find it with transparent criteria and a visual rep for the ADHD OCD crew (I'm a member of both
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I came in here with a single goal...what is the hardest hitting headphone?
A simple question that got some really bad/wrong/epic wrong responses.
That period...the "dark Ages" for headphone bassheads is over. O.C.D. FTW...and yes I do wash my hands like 15 times a day.
So yeah...polite respectful disagreements are coming.
For example:
Do the V-Moda really hit as hard as the RAZOR KRAKEN?
This thread is EXTREME BASS and I do not care about build quality or cables that can support a space elevator or whatever tha fu that's about? This is about bass and ALL other things are for other threads and the buyers pref.
Haven't been keeping up with this thread. Wow, I've missed a lot. Been on vacation behind a desk. I definitely could do that.That would be great. I'll try to do it tomorrow morning. Not sure how they'll stack up to Vmoda, but I'll give it my best shot
This is what you are dealing with. It's about to fall to the edge of the list and while it's quality and signature are not in question or of any concern to this thread the bass is great but is it #10?
It happens slowly
The watering down of a thread. A need to get hits and comments and see it as some form of validation when it's probably in this case.. 30% folks signing out and viewing as guests to see a train wreck that will not happen.
As the heat of a Japanese Summer moves along I will be occupied by Halloween and Christmas badassness but I will have more time to put into the thread. That means the dry thread surfing and note taking I did will be touched upon. The claims of low end prow res ...that will be met head on. It's the job of the thread to raise up cans and when compared to another it will appear to lower the other. That's just an illusion. It stayed where it was, it didn't get lowered. , another was raised though. I'm not concerned with folks feelings. This thread is for ranking. Folks will never be named as is policy of site and thread and cans will not be bashed but claims will be sought out and confirmed or put in the proper box labeled "opinion".
There are 2 OP's in this thread. We agree on what Extreme bass is and the need to find it with transparent criteria and a visual rep for the ADHD OCD crew (I'm a member of both )
I came in here with a single goal...what is the hardest hitting headphone?
A simple question that got some really bad/wrong/epic wrong responses.
That period...the "dark Ages" for headphone bassheads is over. O.C.D. FTW...and yes I do wash my hands like 15 times a day.
So yeah...polite respectful disagreements are coming.
For example:
Do the V-Moda really hit as hard as the RAZOR KRAKEN?
This thread is EXTREME BASS and I do not care about build quality or cables that can support a space elevator or whatever tha fu that's about? This is about bass and ALL other things are for other threads and the buyers pref.
And as for the Kraken - :basshead: mind blowing performance shown on recent 40mm fight club rumble in the jungle against RELOOP 's finest.
There's something pretty special going on behind the earcups of the Kraken for sure - for a 40mm driver it puts many 50mm cans to shame - v-moda m-100 - the fight to remain top 10 starts here.
I'd love to know the science of the Kraken drivers and what it is that makes them push air so well - Razer's site just states....this v
(apart from Kraken screaming out of middle etc - my artistic loon licence )
NewWaveAudio's Deadliest Prize Fighter - THE KRAKEN
The 40mm Champion on the Verge of Top 10 Status! :basshead:
Schiit!
If Krakens kick my moda's off top 10 - that's two Krakens I'll have taken in a week :eek:
Go easy, NWA - I'm too sensitive for such a beating......
Guess it's all in the name of extreme bass - survival of the fittest counts when schiit gets extreme - it's put up or shut up - no hot air, just bass air - and that's only fair
This is what you are dealing with. It's about to fall to the edge of the list and while it's quality and signature are not in question or of any concern to this thread the bass is great but is it #10?
Lol, pretty accurate cb3723.
I've wondered the same thing. Took apart my other headphones in order to try to figure them out. In the process I pretty much had ruined those. Under the tape there are about three vents, that go arround where the driver sits, that have been covered. It also changed the sound when I tapped it back up, with a different kind of tape. Also it has one hole instead of two in the speaker. Not sure if this true on the pro version
Lol, pretty accurate cb3723.
I've wondered the same thing. Took apart my other headphones in order to try to figure them out. In the process I pretty much had ruined those. Under the tape there are about four vents, that go arround where the driver sits, that have been covered. It also changed the sound when I tapped it back up, with a different kind of tape. Also it has one hole instead of two in the speaker. Not sure if this true on the pro version
Hmmmm.... if you took photos and posted them -maybe HBB would know something or other - he may know something just by your description though, as he's tinkered around inside other cans earcups when doing various modifications as he's shown on his 77's and MPC's.
Maybe it's down to the tuning of the drivers - though I'd say whatever drivers Razer use, are clearly of good quality.
Is it the Kraken Pros which allow you to download software for a 7.1 virtual surround sound too?
I've a feeling that fact the KP is a dual use headcan ie it's application is for both gaming use and music is an indication maybe of where its strengths lie as gaming cans are tuned to make the most out of in game explosions and similar sound effects that require good solid bass.
Still though - a 40mm driver performing to the level of the Kraken - just wow
Edit: cool - I see you've added a pic of driver - thanks bro - we'll see what HBB makes of it
Razer's marketing of Kraken Pro - "Powerful drivers for highest quality gaming audio" - NO SCHIIT! (wonder if Krakens use any of these "cables that can support a space elevator" that HBB mentioned earlier, going on inside their earcups? , though he may be getting confused with "tubes")
I'd say there be devilment afoot inside those earcups for sure :evil:
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Lol, pretty accurate @cb3723.
I've wondered the same thing. Took apart my other headphones in order to try to figure them out. In the process I pretty much had ruined those. Under the tape there are about three vents, that go arround where the driver sits, that have been covered. It also changed the sound when I tapped it back up, with a different kind of tape. Also it has one hole instead of two in the speaker. Not sure if this true on the pro version
Looks typical and similar to mass produced drivers.
I'd say what RPG once said........ and me and him are not of same mind with most things but he said once the Q40 and it's very high quality bass, bass to mids transition and overall price to performance ratio was in essence a "shot in the dark". I agree with that. The Q40 is a legend on Head-fi and some audiophile circles but not out in general population where the money is made. M-Audio followed up the legend with a Studio can that i own (Akai version).
I think the KRAKEN performance is just a very nice combo of ideas that are being fully explored by an extreme basshead which is Newwaveaudio. Folks said it hammered before but it's pretty damn clear that it in fact does...and it's 40mm. That's crazy. I have heard gobs and gobs of 40mm cans and they don't do that.
Has another basshead discovered the KRAKEN? If they did they never took a vid and shared it so it's like the tree that fell in the forest when nobody was around.
Don't distort your stuff, don't take it apart.
DO NOT boost at first or at all if you do not have to. This is flat. If you have to make it where the signal is if possible and no place else.
Cannot stress enough my lack of desire to help folk **** up their cans. Proceed smartly and listen over ear as you step up.
If it sounds ****ed up to the ear it will sound ****ed up to the mic.
Not saying I am anything special, but I co-owned a car audio shop back in 2002 (sold the building to a pizza shop LOL) I am used to re-coning subs, wiring and such.
I can't emphasis enough not to take apart the SZ2000/1000 unless you know what's what, it is like a jigsaw puzzle made by the devil.
Looks typical and similar to mass produced drivers.
I'd say what RPG once said........ and me and him are not of same mind with most things but he said once the Q40 and it's very high quality bass, bass to mids transition and overall price to performance ratio was in essence a "shot in the dark". I agree with that. The Q40 is a legend on Head-fi and some audiophile circles but not out in general population where the money is made. M-Audio followed up the legend with a Studio can that i own (Akai version).
I think the KRAKEN performance is just a very nice combo of ideas that are being fully explored by an extreme basshead which is Newwaveaudio. Folks said it hammered before but it's pretty damn clear that it in fact does...and it's 40mm. That's crazy. I have heard gobs and gobs of 40mm cans and they don't do that.
Has another basshead discovered the KRAKEN? If they did they never took a vid and shared it so it's like the tree that fell in the forest when nobody was around.
[COLOR=FF00AA]Don't distort your stuff, don't take it apart.
DO NOT boost at first or at all if you do not have to. This is flat. If you have to make it where the signal is if possible and no place else.
Cannot stress enough my lack of desire to help folk **** up their cans. Proceed smartly and listen over ear as you step up.
If it sounds ****ed up to the ear it will sound ****ed up to the mic.
Amen to [COLOR=FF00AA]that![/COLOR] - extreme bass club is all about keeping your cans intact, working fine & not in pieces & doing no hearing time cos that's a crime
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