[WoodyLuvr]

Huge update on the FLATHEAD EARBUD TIMELINE. I added another 160 plus earbuds to the timeline... mostly Golden Era models from Sony, Aiwa, Denon, TEAC, etc. Total is now 1,545 earbuds listed.

I also added Rikubuds newest offering the 2022 - RikuBuds Grand Rider 1 (130Ω Bery; Sweden DIY)

 

[DBaldock9]

I have not. From what I have read the new gen Smabat buds are even more boosted in the presence region than the last, and they were borderline too much for me as it was. Have you tried them?

I did take advantage of the Smabat ST-20 pre-order (for $67.13), but I'd probably still buy them at the retail price of $129.00.
The ST-20 doesn't seem to be brighter than the ST-10s, but that could be due to the additional Bass of the ST-20.
I've been enjoying the Svara & Smabat earbuds since 2017, and the ST-20 is probably my favorite overall earbud.

 

[samandhi]

I did take advantage of the Smabat ST-20 pre-order (for $67.13), but I'd probably still buy them at the retail price of $129.00.
The ST-20 doesn't seem to be brighter than the ST-10s, but that could be due to the additional Bass of the ST-20.
I've been enjoying the Svara & Smabat earbuds since 2017, and the ST-20 is probably my favorite overall earbud.

Interesting to know. Thanks for the information on these!

Would you say that the ST20 has more quantity of bass even than the ST10S Gold? And if so, would you say it is pretty linear, or is there a mid-bass hump with a recessed sub-bass?

 

[DBaldock9]

Interesting to know. Thanks for the information on these!

Would you say that the ST20 has more quantity of bass even than the ST10S Gold? And if so, would you say it is pretty linear, or is there a mid-bass hump with a recessed sub-bass?

The ST-20 has more low Bass than any of my other earbuds, and I don't think they have a Mid-Bass hump.
The K's K600 (2019) 600-Ω earbuds (no longer available) do seem to have a slightly more realistic sounding Bass and Sound Stage - but I do like the thump from the ST-20.

 

[baskingshark]

So the new NiceHCK B70 has just been released on Aliexpress:

30 bucks. Carbon plated diaphragm, option for balanced or 3.5 mm cables (though not detachable).

And importantly, it comes with a waifu haha.

Anyone gonna take one for the team?

 

[Ronion]

Earbuds can definitely do bass. I haven’t built one that can do it like an IEM or the very best cans, but they can do bass and I have proof with some of the buds I shave built. They can be lean and tight, they can be warm, and they can be typical buds without too much output below 80Hz. Many well regarded cans are the same like the HD600 series. Anyway, here are some graphs for proof.

 

[mochill]

So the new NiceHCK B70 has just been released on Aliexpress:

30 bucks. Carbon plated diaphragm, option for balanced or 3.5 mm cables (though not detachable).

And importantly, it comes with a waifu haha.

Anyone gonna take one for the team?

I have ordered it

 

[RockSloth]

You can't miss with the RW2000. They seem to be the most well balanced overall of the ones I have heard. The RW3000 are a lot more expensive, and they are better overall, but they aren't tuned that much different than the RW2000 (more clarity, overall improved sound). Point is if you are going with TOTL for buds, the RW2000 is a better price/sound ratio IMO. The diminishing returns hits really hard between the RW2000 and the RW3000.

I am a really big fan of the last gen Smabat buds (M2s Pro, ST10S) in the range of $50 to $110(ish). Personally I find the ST10S gold (150Ohm driver) to have more quantity of bass than the others. But I won't discount the M2s Pro (stock) either. They are fantastic! The most similar to those that are budget (to me) are the NiceHCK EBS2.

I have not heard the ones mentioned, so I can't comment on if there is more quantity of bass with the ones mentioned or not.

What’s your thoughts on the EBS2? I’m between them and the monk lite. Not sure if I’m being drawn in to the aesthetics too much.

 

[GTAm]

Thank you guys for the suggestions.

It seems RW2000 is the winner in the p/p area.

However, would you consider them over ST10s or ST20 for the same amount of money?

 

[baskingshark]

Thank you guys for the suggestions.

It seems RW2000 is the winner in the p/p area.

However, would you consider them over ST10s or ST20 for the same amount of money?

I have the ST10S Black Gold, and this set is different from the Black Silver, which seems to have less favourable reviews. The Black Gold needs amplification (150 ohms) and is tuned neutral with a big sub-bass boost due to some labyrinth acoustic design. IMHO, the ST10S Black Gold has better bass than the RW2000, but in all other departments the RW2000 is the winner.

I don't have the ST20 original, but I have the ST20 Pro, and this has an added BA inside and is more expensive than the ST20 non Pro. The ST20 Pro is more technical than the RW2000, but it suffers from a horrendous fit. Takes a lot of manipulation and mods to get it to fit well, and even so, it is more power hungry than the RW2000, and has more diminishing returns.

 

[numon]

The ST-20 has more low Bass than any of my other earbuds, and I don't think they have a Mid-Bass hump.
The K's K600 (2019) 600-Ω earbuds (no longer available) do seem to have a slightly more realistic sounding Bass and Sound Stage - but I do like the thump from the ST-20.

please compare st10s black gold vs st20 in detail ,separation and wideness stage...? there is very few review of st20.

 

[samandhi]

What’s your thoughts on the EBS2? I’m between them and the monk lite. Not sure if I’m being drawn in to the aesthetics too much.

I find the EB2S to sound VERY good for the aksing price. I think they sound so close to the sound of the M2s Pro (stock) that I can only pick them out because I have listened to them long enough to know. If they were both brand new to me, I am not sure I could pick them out, unless I spent quite a bit of time doing an A/B with them. But of course YMMV.

This is all to say, I think that the EB2S are worth the asking price. Yes, they do look very nice, but ignore all of that, because it is the sound that counts on these. As for comparing them to the Monk Lite, I have not heard them, but have heard they are decent. Not sure if they would be better, but I have read they are pretty different in sound signature IIRC.

Thank you guys for the suggestions.

It seems RW2000 is the winner in the p/p area.

However, would you consider them over ST10s or ST20 for the same amount of money?

I haven't heard the ST20 (non, or pro), but I would take the RW2000 every day over the ST10S. But that is because the sound signature fits my tastes better. So, not detracting from the ST10S (gold for me) because they are also very good. The RW2000 is just a better all-rounder IMO. Neither of them really do anything wrong if I'm honest.

I have the ST10S Black Gold, and this set is different from the Black Silver, which seems to have less favourable reviews. The Black Gold needs amplification (150 ohms) and is tuned neutral with a big sub-bass boost due to some labyrinth acoustic design. IMHO, the ST10S Black Gold has better bass than the RW2000, but in all other departments the RW2000 is the winner.

I don't have the ST20 original, but I have the ST20 Pro, and this has an added BA inside and is more expensive than the ST20 non Pro. The ST20 Pro is more technical than the RW2000, but it suffers from a horrendous fit. Takes a lot of manipulation and mods to get it to fit well, and even so, it is more power hungry than the RW2000, and has more diminishing returns.

This is EXACTLY what I would say, other than to clarify that having better bass means (to me) more linear bass and more quantity sub-bass. The RW2000 has excellent bass and great quantity (for mid-bass and up), as long as you are listening to music that has more mid-bass than sub-bass (though not void, just recessed).

 

[baskingshark]

New upcoming BGVP earbuds:

DX6

https://www.facebook.com/BGVPaudio/posts/526570375595596

Anyone tried their earbuds before? Not too impressed with their IEMs TBH.

 

[furyossa]

New upcoming BGVP earbuds:

DX6

https://www.facebook.com/BGVPaudio/posts/526570375595596



Anyone tried their earbuds before? Not too impressed with their IEMs TBH.

Yes I always regret buying the DX5. The worst implementation of DLC driver in any buds.
The build quality is fantastic but sound quality ... well.
They paid more attention to the exterior appearance than to the design good interior and vent system

 

[rprodrigues]

S * * * * * pt2021 can now be ordered at about $40 on Aliexpress (Brazilian Shopee as well).

P.S.: I couldn't resist and ordered a second pair at $30 thanks to some discounts (Shopee).