Earbuds Round-Up
Feb 5, 2022 at 3:21 AM Post #60,016 of 75,520
I actually loved my HD700, still have them, just not use them all the time. However I am not treble sensitive, and appear to be the "anti audiophile" in general taste (not sensitive to treble in any way or fashion, do not need or love boosted bass.) Im addition, I bought them new when they were starting to fade them out of production, so I did not ever pay $999.00 (the initial pricing was indeed outrageous). I think I paid $479 locally for a new one, then a few months later it was discontinued.

I do understand why some dislike it, but I am very "tuning-tolerant", and it takes more than a few peaks or valleys to offend me. How it sounds overall is more important, though I do watch the measurement graphs for reference.

In general I dislike more bassy and muddy over trebley headphones/earphones, and upper mids do not bother me whatsoever (again, I do go against the common audiophile "good taste" on this regard.) That is how I imagined the Maria II would be fine by me, but it is just *too expensive* for me to even consider them, as I do have other earphones that could more or less fill that niche as described above.
I guess what I don't get is that, if using the Oratory 1990, for the HD700 it pretty much corrects all tonal inaccuracies that are present with stock tuning without really losing any of the technicalities IMO.

I would imagine, because of the physical setup of the buds, the Maria II could be much the same way. I am super sensitive to the overemphasized presence region, but that might also come down to the type of music I listen to. Oh to be "tuning tolerant" as you say.

I gave up being a bass-head many years ago. Nowadays I can tolerate boosted bass (and even want it sometimes to a point in an audiophile way), but since getting my first planar headphones, I crave the texture that can be had over the overexaggerated/boomy and muddy bass that the masses has come to love with the lower quality .mp3 age.

I have read somewhere that some manufacturers actually tune their headphones/IEMs specially to accommodate that distorted bass that you get from low quality files. This became the norm, and that is what the masses (me included a long time ago) think is accurate. I had a fella', here on the forum, argue with me saying "bass is meant to be felt, not heard". A true bass-head to be sure, but he was arguing about a set that had obvious muddy, bloated bass with very little to no texture at all. I let it go, but you get what I am saying.... :)
 
Feb 5, 2022 at 8:23 AM Post #60,017 of 75,520
There are many options and they will differ in sound, I advise you to read the reviews on:
(some are more expensive than your budget)

Ksearphone Bell-Ti 120Ω
Ksearphone Bell-Ti Onmyoji 30Ω
Ksearphone Bell-Blue
Ksearphone Bell-We Bass Version
Moondrop CHACONNE
Moondrop Liebesleid
VE Sun
NICEHCK EBX21
Simphonio Dragon 3
Simphonio Dragon 2 Plus
DQSM Turandot
Yincrow RW-2000
Yincrow RW-1000 Bass Version 3.5mm
Astrotec Lyra Nature
Toneking Dendroaspis Viridis
@Alex.Grimm could you tell me the main differences between RW-2000 and RW-1000 Bass Version?
It’s not a budget problem.
 
Feb 6, 2022 at 10:14 AM Post #60,018 of 75,520
@Alex.Grimm could you tell me the main differences between RW-2000 and RW-1000 Bass Version?
It’s not a budget problem.
If I may good sir, the RW-2000 is definitely a progression in the Yincrow house sound and tuning from the RW-1000... and a noticeable progression at that.
2019 - Yincrow RW-1000 大牛 (24Ω; aka "Big Cow/Cattle" = Daniu)​
2019 - Yincrow RW-1000 大牛 Bass Edition (24Ω Bass Version; aka "Big Cow/Cattle Pro" = "Daniu Pro)​
2019 - Yincrow RW-1000 大牛 High Impedance Edition (80Ω; aka "Big Cow/Cattle High Resistance" = "Daniu Resistance)​
2020 - Yincrow RW-2000 野牛 (16Ω; aka "Bison")​
2021 - Yincrow RW-3000 天牛 (16Ω; aka "Heavenly Cow")​

From the original RW-1000 to the RW-1000 Bass Edition to the RW-2000 and now to the most recent model the RW-3000 (which I listened to a few days back) Yincrow is carefully perfecting their tuning, and considerably so, from model to model. Step by step. They are keeping the best aspects from the previous model and correcting the negatives as best as they can in the next. These earbuds are all detail monsters.

The RW-2000 bass response is equal to the RW-1000 BASS in both bass presence and impact but is definitely far more bass detailed and resolute than the RW-1000. The RW-2000 has stronger mids (not overwhelming nor too forward though) than the RW-1000/1000 BASS which makes the RW-2000 overall more balanced sounding which corrects the timbre a lot. The RW-2000 retains the sharp, crisp, detailed treble of the RW-1000/1000 BASS but has reduced some of that shrill and sibilant naughtiness heavily heard in the RW-1000/1000 BASS. I would even offer that the RW-2000 sounds even more open and airier than either of the previous RW-1000 models. Now with that said, the RW-2000 still wasn't without sibilance and for some, like myself, the upper mids and lower highs can still be quite fatiguing (and quickly so) with some hardness and shrillness that aches something awful if you are sensitive to this to any degree.

The RW-3000 is a huge step in the right direction in my book... retaining all the best qualities of both the RW-1000 BASS and RW-2000 with even greater reduced sibilance and harshness in the upper midrange and treble regions. It is ever so slightly warmer and probably a tad more balanced than the RW-2000. And although indeed far less fatiguing than the RW-2000 unfortunately the RW-3000 too is tiresome. I couldn't quite put my finger on it but I was tired after only twenty minutes of casual listening. Most especially with vocals so I am thinking it may be something happening around the 2-3 kHz area in the tuning.
 
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Feb 6, 2022 at 1:02 PM Post #60,019 of 75,520
@Alex.Grimm could you tell me the main differences between RW-2000 and RW-1000 Bass Version?
It’s not a budget problem.
RW-1000 Bass -> Bass version does not mean they are for bassheads, it means that they have a more musical sound than in stock neutral RW-1000. Very wide soundstage I've heard, from memory perhaps a little wider than in Moondrop Chaconne. It seems to me that the Moondrop is more comfortable and not so bright, but on some tracks the highs still dominate.
RW-2000 -> stage is smaller than RW-1000 Bass, but RW-2000 has much more midbass which was not enough for me in RW-1000 Bass. It is advisable to replace the cable with a copper one, this will give more comfortable and less bright highs.
I liked the RW-2000 better than the RW-1000 Bass because I like it when there's enough bass. But now I want to try RW3000.
 
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Feb 6, 2022 at 1:26 PM Post #60,020 of 75,520
RW-1000 Bass -> Bass version does not mean they are for bassheads, it means that they have a more musical sound than in stock neutral RW-1000. Very wide soundstage I've heard, from memory perhaps a little wider than in Moondrop Chaconne. It seems to me that the Moondrop is more comfortable and not so bright, but on some tracks the highs still dominate.
RW-2000 -> stage is smaller than RW-1000 Bass, but RW-2000 has much more midbass which was not enough for me in RW-1000 Bass. It is advisable to replace the cable with a copper one, this will give more comfortable and less bright highs.
I liked the RW-2000 better than the RW-1000 Bass because I like it when there's enough bass. But now I want to try RW3000.
Nice point; totally concur. I would also place the entire RW series up there with the likes of the Rose Technics Maria II (14Ω) and Toneking (MusicMaker MrZ Tiankui) Dendroaspis Viridis (32Ω) in regards to wide, open staging.

BTW: Hope you and yours are safe & well and that everything calms the 'F' down over there so you can live your life in peace.
 
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Feb 6, 2022 at 2:18 PM Post #60,021 of 75,520
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Feb 6, 2022 at 2:23 PM Post #60,022 of 75,520
Wow does toneking compete with RW2000?!?
Costo nothing!
https://a.aliexpress.com/_vblW7o
I was speaking of the Toneking Dendroaspis Viridis specifically and referring to it having a similar wide open staging as the Maria II only but no where the detail and/or resolution of the Maria II. The Dendroaspis Viridis has an edginess and brightness about it that many do not like and find off putting... the Maria II is far more behaved in this regards but still fatiguing for some listeners. I found the Dendroaspis Viridis to be too bright and even too harsh and aggressive for my tastes. Still it is an excellent earbud for the cost but can not compete with the Maria II in any other department besides staging and price tag.
 
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Feb 6, 2022 at 2:29 PM Post #60,023 of 75,520
So I’d prefer RW2000 but looks big as my EM5, I need something smaller but with good amount of bass, I don’t like LBBS because hasn’t bass for my taste.
 
Feb 6, 2022 at 2:31 PM Post #60,024 of 75,520
So I’d prefer RW2000 but looks big as my EM5, I need something smaller but with good amount of bass, I don’t like LBBS because hasn’t bass for my taste.
Wait and see how your Smabat ST20 performs when it arrives. Svara-Smabat earbuds are known for their low bass performance.
 
Feb 6, 2022 at 2:33 PM Post #60,025 of 75,520
Yeah it’s on the way…
 
Feb 6, 2022 at 5:33 PM Post #60,026 of 75,520
Ehm, maybe this is an earbud?

https://thewalkmanblog.blogspot.com/2022/02/sony-wf-l900-leaked.html
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Sony and their weird design lol.
 
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Feb 6, 2022 at 5:55 PM Post #60,027 of 75,520
Feb 6, 2022 at 5:57 PM Post #60,028 of 75,520
Looks like something interesting enough for me to try. Not sure how easily it would stay in place though🤔
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I guess thats a silicone hook. But yeah, it looks very ehm...unique. :joy:
 
Feb 6, 2022 at 6:04 PM Post #60,029 of 75,520
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Feb 6, 2022 at 6:15 PM Post #60,030 of 75,520
Ehm, maybe this is an earbud?

https://thewalkmanblog.blogspot.com/2022/02/sony-wf-l900-leaked.html
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Sony and their weird design lol.

It is.

Looks like something interesting enough for me to try. Not sure how easily it would stay in place though🤔
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I guess thats a silicone hook. But yeah, it looks very ehm...unique. :joy:
I'd wait for feedbacks on wearing comfort/stability. None of the past 3 gen Sony TWS impressed me in that department. All downs to the size, weight distribution as well as extra wingtips.

Probably fits similar to the Buds Live (which I enjoy).
 
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