[calcatreppola]

thank you very much to all, especially to @WoodyLuvr and @samandhi for their precious and detailed illustrations. I think I will try Maria II, as I found them at an almost reasonable price... Oh good rabbit!
WoodyLuvr is absolutely correct (and Star Ace) – I think – when they pinpoint the inevitable differences in listening to earbuds (though I am not sure headphones are easier to describe...)
So I have to try... I will tell you

 

[WoodyLuvr]

hi
i asked clios for recommend for mojito detailed earbud.he said s e nfr pt2021 will be best choise instead smabat st10s gold earbud for clinical listening.can you give comparition between maria 2 and pt2021?especially soundstage wideness(very wide or wide ) ?

Indeed as @ClieOS has rightly recommended the PT2021 is phenomenal for critical reference listening especially in it's higher impedance versions @ 147Ω, 275Ω, and 365Ω (the lowest impedance 32Ω version is best avoided). The PT2021 is an ultra-detailed earbud with excellent resolution on the same level as the Rose Maria II.

The PT2021's primary signature is neutral (slightly bright leaning) and quite balanced with natural timbre. It offers a similar airiness to the Moondrop Chaconne just a tad lighter... perhaps more of a weaker, rather than stronger, secondary signature whereas the Chaconne has a strong primary airy signature. The bass on the PT2021 is detailed, controlled, and similar to both the Maria II and Chaconne... so it is bass light and not a bass lover's earbud. The PT2021's staging (head/soundstage) is excellent: open, deep, and wide... just not as wide or as open as the Maria II or the Toneking Dendroaspis Viridis but is probably a close third beating out the Chaconne by a hair in this regard. Though bright sounding the PT2021 is far less aggressive sounding than the Maria II which is due to it's neutral primary signature. With that said, the PT2021 does exhibit harsh treble peaks when airy sparkles turn nasty quick which can be quite fatiguing... most unfortunate especially for the treble sensitive.

In my humble opinion, the PT2021 like the Maria II, is much better sounding overall than the Smabat ST10S Black-Gold in all departments except for bass and thus why they sit on my God-Tier List.

 

[numon]

one costs € 400 and another € 80 ...

i searching cloase as mojito

Indeed as @ClieOS has rightly recommended the PT2021 is phenomenal for critical reference listening especially in it's higher impedance versions @ 147Ω, 275Ω, and 365Ω (the lowest impedance 32Ω version is best avoided). The PT2021 is an ultra-detailed earbud with excellent resolution on the same level as the Rose Maria II.

The PT2021's primary signature is neutral (slightly bright leaning) and balanced with natural timbre. It offers a similar airiness to the Moondrop Chaconne just a tad lighter... perhaps more of a weaker, rather than stronger, secondary signature whereas the Chaconne has a strong primary airy signature. The bass on the PT2021 is detailed, controlled, and similar to both the Maria II and Chaconne... so it is bass light and not a bass lover's earbud. The PT2021's staging (head/soundstage) is excellent: open, deep, and wide... just not as wide or as open as the Maria II or the Toneking Dendroaspis Viridis but is probably a close third beating out the Chaconne by a hair in this regard. Though bright sounding sometimes the PT2021 is much less aggressive than the Maria II due to it's primary neutral signature... however, the PT2021 does exhibit harsh treble peaks when those airy sparkles turn nasty which can be quite fatiguing which is most unfortunate especially for the treble sensitive.

In my humble opinion, the PT2021 like the Maria II, is much better sounding overall than the Smabat ST10S Black-Gold in all departments except for bass and thus why they sit on my God-Tier List.

awesome infos, really thanks.i will buy pt2021 soon.
should i buy 365 ohm to get bestsound quality or 275 or 147 ohm sound same except 32 ohm? asking for 365 ohm need more power but if best sound is 365 ohm i will look for amp also.

 

[FranQL]

i searching cloase as mojito

awesome infos, really thanks.i will buy pt2021 soon.
should i buy 365 ohm to get bestsound quality or 275 or 147 ohm sound same except 32 ohm? asking for 365 ohm need more power but if best sound is 365 ohm i will look for amp also.

365 Ohm It is actually 500 Ohm, keep in mind, you will need a source for the best performance.

 

[numon]

365 Ohm It is actually 500 Ohm, keep in mind, you will need a source for the best performance.

i asked seller, he said they measured wrongly(about comments on ae saying same as you)

 

[WoodyLuvr]

i searching cloase as mojito

awesome infos, really thanks.i will buy pt2021 soon.
should i buy 365 ohm to get bestsound quality or 275 or 147 ohm sound same except 32 ohm? asking for 365 ohm need more power but if best sound is 365 ohm i will look for amp also.

All three high impedance versions are very, very similar to one another and all do require some power to shine.

 

[numon]

All three high impedance versions are very, very similar to one another and all do require some power to shine.

thanks .i have zishan z3 may be my can drive 365 ohm. power of z3 is 150 mw for 32 ohm.what do you think?

 

[WoodyLuvr]

thanks .i have zishan z3 may be my can drive 365 ohm. power of z3 is 150 mw for 32 ohm.what do you think?

Yes, that will do fine.

 

[vygas]

thanks .i have zishan z3 may be my can drive 365 ohm. power of z3 is 150 mw for 32 ohm.what do you think?

I have the "32ohm" PT2021 and I can run it just fine off of my LG G8X, but something like a Z3 should be able to handle the higher impedance versions.

 

[FranQL]

I have the "32ohm" PT2021 and I can run it just fine off of my LG G8X, but something like a Z3 should be able to handle the higher impedance versions.

32 Ohm , measures 32 ohms, or do you also have a faulty multimeter?

 

[numon]

Yes, that will do fine.

thanks.
is pt2021 very wide level ( but narrower then maria 2 as you said)or wide level.?my broken mojito has very wide soundstage . i hope i can get similar listening experince.

 

[vygas]

32 Ohm , measures 32 ohms, or do you also have a faulty multimeter?

there's a reason I put the quotation marks on the "32ohm"

 

[Sam L]

365 Ohm It is actually 500 Ohm, keep in mind, you will need a source for the best performance.

Wow 500 ohm. I'm tempted.

 

[WoodyLuvr]

thanks.
is pt2021 very wide level ( but narrower then maria 2 as you said)or wide level.?my broken mojito has very wide soundstage . i hope i can get similar listening experince.

I found that both Rose Technics Maria I & II staging were much more open (wider) and perhaps deeper (more layered) than the Rose Technology Mojito, Rose Technics Masya, or the Rose Technics Masya 2 aka "Masya Pro". The PT2021 staging would probably fall in between the Mojito and Maria I & II for openness but probably the same as the Mojito staging depth (layering) wise.

 

[Szymon The Crackhead]

Very nice comparison; well done. Look forward to reading your full review! Simply alert us with a quick post in this thread with a link when you have posted the review.

Will do for sure Woody!

In the meantime, my LBBS arrived already, so... I will be doing a lot of #budlife for the next couple of weeks haha