Earbuds Round-Up

[vandung2510]

they have pretty good details, vocals are forward and intimate, lack air and lack low end punch and texture....id say they ar enot worth the asking price. Those transparent driver shells are bad quality mine cracked from the first time i popped them onto mx500 shells and one of the driver became loose from the shell. As a comparison i like the 120bery way better, much better sensation of openness, better micro details and much better deep bass.

Can you share the link to that composite bery 120ohms driver please?

 

[jeejack]

they have pretty good details, vocals are forward and intimate, lack air and lack low end punch and texture....id say they ar enot worth the asking price. Those transparent driver shells are bad quality mine cracked from the first time i popped them onto mx500 shells and one of the driver became loose from the shell. As a comparison i like the 120bery way better, much better sensation of openness, better micro details and much better deep bass.

You have good ears my friend

 

[jeejack]

Can you share the link to that composite bery 120ohms driver please?

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/earbuds-round-up.441400/post-18007237

 

[Kamikaze777]

Can you share the link to that composite bery 120ohms driver please?

Hi. It is this one i think:
https://a.aliexpress.com/_EI4F19B

 

[sapporo444]

Is there that much of a difference in sound between the same driver, but with higher impedance? I know thinner cables and a bigger coil generates a stronger magnetic response, but is the lesser distortion that differentiable between, say a 120Ohm driver and a 600Ohm driver.

 

[vandung2510]

https://www.head-fi.org/threads/earbuds-round-up.441400/post-18007237

Thank you
Btw, do you have any other drivers that you can recommend that are on par or more than said driver? I'll have LREY audio retune one of my buds. I may ask him to do a custom tuning too with that 120ohm bery driver and with some other good drivers.

 

[vandung2510]

Hi. It is this one i think:
https://a.aliexpress.com/_EI4F19B

Thank you

 

[jeejack]

Thank you
Btw, do you have any other drivers that you can recommend that are on par or more than said driver? I'll have LREY audio retune one of my buds. I may ask him to do a custom tuning too with that 120ohm bery driver and with some other good drivers.

You asked the wrong person. I like all drivers, each one has something special.
You can trust Lreay's recommendations. It makes some very beautiful earbuds

 

[vandung2510]

You can trust Lreay's recommendations. It makes some very beautiful earbuds

Yeah, i do trust him. I bought 3 buds from him recently. However, one was poorly tuned imho due to the low bass quantity and a really high pinna gain (atleast 15db+from the lowest part of the mids). It shows some of the channel imbalance, i may as well ask him for a retune

 

[jeejack]

Yeah, i do trust him. I bought 3 buds from him recently. However, one was poorly tuned imho due to the low bass quantity and a really high pinna gain (atleast 15db+from the lowest part of the mids). It shows some of the channel imbalance, i may as well ask him for a retune

Why don't you get your hands on a soldering iron? We are here to help you
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/diy-earbuds.822327/page-311

 

[vandung2510]

Why don't you get your hands on a soldering iron? We are here to help you
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/diy-earbuds.822327/page-311

As much as i'd love to, that's like opening a pandora box for me =))) I'd have to invest in a soldering iron, soldering station, cables, soldering tin, shell and drivers to play around. I'm also a medical student, so i think i'd like to leave those options for the pros )

 

[metrics]

Regarding the topic of using 3,5mm in 4,4mm via adapter, i have Tempotec Sonata E44, which comes with a 4,4mm male to 3,5mm female adapter, and is the only way to use it with 3,5mm transducers, as the 4,4mm is the main out. I think they would not provide a adapter that wasn't safe to use given the context, but who knows.
You guys think this adapter is safe to use with other sources?

Also, how can i identify a 'fryied' amp?

 

[rkw]

And it still uses the versions of the yuin shells that don't fit my ears

The original style Yuin shell is something that defines the Simphonio Dragon series and I wouldn't expect it to ever change. Yuin shells happen to be the most comfortable for my ears, but in this case I'm deterred by the $700 price.

 

[furyossa]

You asked the wrong person. I like all drivers, each one has something special.
You can trust Lreay's recommendations. It makes some very beautiful earbuds

This is a very honest answer. Don't worry, I believe you bro

 

[samandhi]

SimPhonio Dragon D3+ 15th Anniversary Version Earbud is available now



More three-dimensional sound field.

The D3+ 15th driver features a ground-breaking 14.2mm dual diaphragm driver, which is composed of two ultra-thin diaphragm materials, offering both excellent rigidity and excellent toughness.

The driver drive coil has been upgraded to 0.04mm copper-aluminum composite, which is about one-third lighter than the traditional enameled coil.

The magnet adopts custom imported N52NdFeB magnet. With a dynamic impedance of around 32Ω, the D3+ has excellent drive and can be easily driven by a mobile phone or a small USB tail.

Japan Furukawa single crystal copper wire base,8 shares, 640 ultra-fine wire cores.

2 types of adjustable sponge band of different densities are included,It can change different sound styles, and the playability is greatly increased.

Specification

Brand: simphonio

Model: D3+ 15th

Driver: 14.2mm Ceramic diaphragm

Impedance: 32Ω

Sensitivity: 120dB / mW

Frequency response range: 20-40kHz

Cable: 6N OCC

Plug : 4.4mm balanced

Plug type: straight

Cable length: 1.3m

https://penonaudio.com/Simphonio-Dragon-3Plus-15th-Anniversary.html

Wow! Those are so sensitive that you could probably blow on the cable and get sound from them....

chaconne arrieved an hour ago and sticks in my ears rn, so couldnt get them on the photo. will write first impressions soon.

Congrats on your new shiny!

I am anxious to hear your impressions on these.

thank you for those additional impressions, seems the rw4000 could be right up my alle, as it seems to be slightly warmer in the mids than the rw3000, which i find ever so slightly cold.

Edit: A dumb question i should be able to answer my self after almost 20 years dedicated to headphones, but balanced was sth i never did my research for.

So as the Chaconnes i got are terminated with a 4.4mm plug, would it be ok to use a 4.4mm to 3,5mm adapter to drive them on a single ended output too?
I know i cannot do that the other way araund at least with headphones, right? When they are terminated SE i cannot use a balanced aadapter to run them of a balanced output afaik.

4.4mm transducer cable -> 3.5 mm source using an adapter is fine.

Not the other way round - ie no 3.5 mm transducer cable to 4.4 mm source using an adapter. That will spoil the amp. But there are some rare adapters from DDHIFI that enable 3.5mm cable -> 4.4mm source, but as a general rule, most of the other adapters will fry the amp.

Exactly what @baskingshark said....

iBasso has a "trusted" one as well. The only reason I use the word trusted is because you can actually get these from a lot of Chinese sources, but you are taking a chance that they have wired them correctly, and not just re-labeled a standard adapter (because there are also 3.5mm balanced connections that can use these standard adapters). One has to be very careful when buying this type of adapter.

From an electrical standpoint you can look at it this way: The single ended (here forth known as SE) circuit has only 3 wires. You have the left hot wire, right hot wire, and ground. The ground is the important part here when trying to figure out if you can plug a differing setup into the amplifier/DAP/source. in an amplifier that has any SE connection (typically 3.5mm) the two grounds are tied together.

In a balanced connection you have 4 wires (as opposed to 3 in the SE); left hot wire, right hot wire, ground for left, and ground for right, and they are all separated in the amplifier circuit. An added benefit of having this setup is that you eliminate any crosstalk you might have in a SE connection. So in your amplifier circuit, if you go from balanced connection out to a SE cable or head gear, you are shorting out the ground wires. Since each transducer only has 2 wires, there is no dedicated ground (a positive and negative, and a true ground), and that means that the ground is considered "hot" as well (having electrical potential). So with this setup it would be like taking something like a "household" extension cord that only has 2 wires (not the commercial one that has an extra/true ground) and cutting off the outgoing end (leaving the wall plugin alone), stripping the wires, and touching the red and black together. Though it would be a lesser effect in a sound circuit, it is essentially the same thing that you are doing here.

Since the SE circuit in the amplifier is already set up to have the grounds shorted, it doesn't harm it, but in balanced they are wired internally to be separated and will cause harm to the amplifier if those circuits are shorted.

Regarding the topic of using 3,5mm in 4,4mm via adapter, i have Tempotec Sonata E44, which comes with a 4,4mm male to 3,5mm female adapter, and is the only way to use it with 3,5mm transducers, as the 4,4mm is the main out. I think they would not provide a adapter that wasn't safe to use given the context, but who knows.
You guys think this adapter is safe to use with other sources?

Also, how can i identify a 'fryied' amp?

It is definitely possible that they have provided a properly wired adapter, and if this is the case, you are safe to use it in any 4.4mm socket. Having said that, I am only assuming this, and you might want to contact Temptec to make sure that they didn't do something crazy here. They might have wired the 4.4mm socket to have their grounds shorted like a SE circuit would be, and simply sent you a regular adapter. As much as I paid for my DAP, I would not want to simply "test" this by plugging it in to just any old socket.

You will know because it will stop working. There are some early warning signs sometimes; though I wouldn't count on that just to test things. It could fry it right away, or you could get away with it for a long time. One early warning sign is if one side of your headgear pops, or sound cuts out, or any weird thing like this.

This is one reason that I try to always get head gear that has a balanced connection, because I can come from the source with either SE or balanced just using an adapter, but if you buy head gear with SE, you are limited to a SE connection only from your source (unless you successfully manage to get one of those "special" adapters, and it it wired internally the correct way).