Earbuds Round-Up
Nov 25, 2023 at 2:52 AM Post #72,826 of 74,138
I had no idea these even came out, a while ago now. Mee Audio pebbles, tws earbuds. Like buds live without the wings which I don't use.

It looks like Samsung beans lol
meh, https://www.head-fi.org/threads/earbuds-round-up.441400/page-4439#post-17249223




This is my latest model in which I have improved the low-frequency response technology. It's a pity. that none of the manufacturers wants to cooperate, so there would be a great breakthrough in sound.
That's unfortunate I hope you keep on innovating on those buds!
Looks amazing @Mr.HiAudio! Sounds even better I bet!

Where is everyone on the DIY side of the fence sourcing their cases/shells from?

I've done a fair bit of amp and speaker building so might have a crack at knocking together a pair of flat-head buds for some planar drivers. Problem is I can't seem to find a shell (case) which is big enough.

The 14.2mm planar driver has a height if 5.8mm height and all the options on AliExpress seem too small. Appreciate people's input if anyone knows of a suitable bud.

Most people I know even commercial ones that uses planar in their earbuds either harvested shells from old earbuds that's big enough to fit them like @ClieOS did or just make custom shells for them by 3D printing but they're hard to tune anyways because they're designed for IEMs
 
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Nov 25, 2023 at 3:50 AM Post #72,827 of 74,138
Nov 25, 2023 at 4:31 AM Post #72,828 of 74,138
Sorry there fellas, not trying spread FOMO.
But I am trying spread my appreciation for my hermano FranQL 😊
No worries, I’m glad you have a set you love! As a jazz fan, I’m mostly very curious about how these sound, especially in comparison to Ripples, my current favorite for jazz.
 
Nov 25, 2023 at 4:32 AM Post #72,829 of 74,138
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thank you very much, very nice words. I hope my development experience will help others. According to planar: I used a KZ driver, but the sound was very thin and quiet, still such a driver is not suitable for earbuds :frowning2: and very big

Thanks for the insight, you might have saved me a lot of time and effort for little gain.

There is only one commercially produced planar earbud that I can find, the Initial A:

https://initial-acoustic.com/products/結-yui-平面駆動ドライバー搭載インナーイヤー型イヤホン

I contacted them and asked if they can ship to internationally but it's only available in Japan currently.

Interestingly it doesn't look like a large unit!
 
Nov 25, 2023 at 4:49 AM Post #72,830 of 74,138
Right, well, I've ordered a pair of Yincrow Rhino to kick start my journey - thanks for all the advice, this would have to be the best corner of Head-Fi!

Whilst I wait for the postman, given the number of sales on at the moment I might try some cheaper options to get a feeling for how different the sound is to an IEM.

For an entry level flat-head, which of the following would give the most neutral, flat studio style response (they're all within $5 or $10 on the pricing range):
  • HZSOUND Bell Rhyme
  • FAAEAL Rosemary
  • YINCROW X6
  • NICEHCK YDX

I've not tried the nicehck YDX but I have the others.

If you want "neutral" or "flat", the Rosemary and X6 are all super bassy earbuds.

Bell Rhyme is a U shaped tuned bud, not totally flat but with a slight boost in bass and upper mids/treble.
 
Nov 25, 2023 at 4:52 AM Post #72,831 of 74,138
I've not tried the nicehck YDX but I have the others.

If you want "neutral" or "flat", the Rosemary and X6 are all super bassy earbuds.

Bell Rhyme is a U shaped tuned bud, not totally flat but with a slight boost in bass and upper mids/treble.
Thanks mate, appreciate this.
Sounds like the Bell Rhyme is the best bet. How's the treble, any sibilance?
 
Nov 25, 2023 at 5:02 AM Post #72,832 of 74,138
Thanks mate, appreciate this.
Sounds like the Bell Rhyme is the best bet. How's the treble, any sibilance?

Sibilance is present but mild (I am using full foams). If donut foams or the naked earbud is used, the sibilance might be increased.
 
Nov 25, 2023 at 6:08 AM Post #72,834 of 74,138
Nov 25, 2023 at 6:50 AM Post #72,835 of 74,138
Right, well, I've ordered a pair of Yincrow Rhino to kick start my journey - thanks for all the advice, this would have to be the best corner of Head-Fi!

Whilst I wait for the postman, given the number of sales on at the moment I might try some cheaper options to get a feeling for how different the sound is to an IEM.

For an entry level flat-head, which of the following would give the most neutral, flat studio style response (they're all within $5 or $10 on the pricing range):
  • HZSOUND Bell Rhyme
  • FAAEAL Rosemary
  • YINCROW X6
  • NICEHCK YDX
Hi!
It seems you are in the same boat as me. I ordered the yincrow calf for starters. They are similary priced and seem to use the same shell.
I'd be interested in your assessment of the rhino, when you get them!
Chances are you will love them, I especially like the cable on the calf, it is light, soft, no microphonics and does not tangle too much. (Guessing the cable on the rhino is very similar...)
I too have ordered 2 cheapo sets to check the fit of the mx500 shell for me.
My choice fell on the faaeal Iris 2.0 and 2* the vido earbud. Apparently Vido/yincrow x6/nicehck traceless are all the same earbud or use at least the same driver. The main difference being the price...
Rigokoudoku did a review of the faaeal iris 2.0, where he compares it to a bunch of other cheap earbuds. Might be helpful:
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/faaeal-iris-2-0.25338/reviews
I ordered the Iris 2.0 for 5€-ish.
If you have bigger ears it might be an idea for you to also order some silicone rings to enhance the diameter of the rhino. I did not get a good fit with the yincrow calf at the beginning...
In any case let us know what you think about the yincrow rhino, once you get it.
 
Nov 25, 2023 at 7:22 AM Post #72,836 of 74,138
meh, https://www.head-fi.org/threads/earbuds-round-up.441400/page-4439#post-17249223




This is my latest model in which I have improved the low-frequency response technology. It's a pity. that none of the manufacturers wants to cooperate, so there would be a great breakthrough in sound.
Nice. And it doesn't look like a standard FR of buds with elevated bass? What is the cooperation you need from them?
What is your way to get reproducible flathead measurements?
Yea, how was that graph measured?
 
Nov 25, 2023 at 11:25 AM Post #72,837 of 74,138
Thanks for the insight, you might have saved me a lot of time and effort for little gain.

There is only one commercially produced planar earbud that I can find, the Initial A:

https://initial-acoustic.com/products/結-yui-平面駆動ドライバー搭載インナーイヤー型イヤホン

I contacted them and asked if they can ship to internationally but it's only available in Japan currently.

Interestingly it doesn't look like a large unit!
@Reebonz mini review... not ready for prime time.

Hi!
It seems you are in the same boat as me. I ordered the yincrow calf for starters. They are similary priced and seem to use the same shell.
I'd be interested in your assessment of the rhino, when you get them!
Chances are you will love them, I especially like the cable on the calf, it is light, soft, no microphonics and does not tangle too much. (Guessing the cable on the rhino is very similar...)
I too have ordered 2 cheapo sets to check the fit of the mx500 shell for me.
My choice fell on the faaeal Iris 2.0 and 2* the vido earbud. Apparently Vido/yincrow x6/nicehck traceless are all the same earbud or use at least the same driver. The main difference being the price...
Rigokoudoku did a review of the faaeal iris 2.0, where he compares it to a bunch of other cheap earbuds. Might be helpful:
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/faaeal-iris-2-0.25338/reviews
I ordered the Iris 2.0 for 5€-ish.
If you have bigger ears it might be an idea for you to also order some silicone rings to enhance the diameter of the rhino. I did not get a good fit with the yincrow calf at the beginning...
In any case let us know what you think about the yincrow rhino, once you get it.
I posted these Rhino and Calf FR graphs a while back. The FR graphs don't tell the whole story. My quick thoughts of Calf compared to RW-3000. My quick thoughts of Rhino compared to RW-2000 and 3000. Both Calf and Rhino are nice sets in their price range and either could be good depending on people's sound preferences. I prefer the Rhino over the Calf. I think the Rhino's sound have more in common with the RW-2000 / 3000 than the Calf.
 
Nov 25, 2023 at 11:32 AM Post #72,838 of 74,138
Stay tuned for more in the coming months.

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Make a deal with the devil, sign on the dotted line and sell your soul. ::LOL:: Ultimate eternal pleasure is just around the corner...
 
Nov 25, 2023 at 11:46 AM Post #72,839 of 74,138
@Reebonz mini review... not ready for prime time.


I posted these Rhino and Calf FR graphs a while back. The FR graphs don't tell the whole story. My quick thoughts of Calf compared to RW-3000. My quick thoughts of Rhino compared to RW-2000 and 3000. Both Calf and Rhino are nice sets in their price range and either could be good depending on people's sound preferences. I prefer the Rhino over the Calf. I think the Rhino's sound have more in common with the RW-2000 / 3000 than the Calf.
Thanks! Going to read it right away - exactly what I am looking for as I am very interested in the differences of the yincrow offerings (owning one of them).
I still remember seeing the frequency graphs of the sets. Those are telling nothing at all, except for the subbass roll off. They are nomalized to some target that we do not know, so there is no real info there. I still got the calf also because the graph seemed so clean. Sucessful marketing! 🙈
 
Nov 25, 2023 at 1:38 PM Post #72,840 of 74,138
No worries, I’m glad you have a set you love! As a jazz fan, I’m mostly very curious about how these sound, especially in comparison to Ripples, my current favorite for jazz.

Your wish is my command (compared using with what I believe are stock Ripples full foams & Blue Moon with VE donuts (tuned with these)):

  • Ripples is warmer, has more midbass quantity and less treble emphasis creating an overall warmer and weightier tonality
  • Extension and air is hard to differentiate
  • Dynamics are quite similar but macro swings might just go to Ripples
  • Blue Moon has a larger stage with greater instrument separation but somewhat similar stage depth
  • Ripples may have a resolution advantage across the midrange but the upper midrange and lower treble is less pronounced blunting strings and some other instruments too much (for me)
  • Ripples has more subdued vocals by comparison, placed more intimately due to stage size but with less breath and reach as Blue Moon. Blue Moon favours female vocals, whereas Ripples favours male. Overall I prefer vocals on Blue Moon for the greater presence
  • Timbre is more organic on Blue Moon despite it being brighter in tone and lighter in weight - the softer upper midrange impacts timbral accuracy on Ripples (imo).
Both are great buds but what makes Blue Moon a TOTL'er is the tone, tech and timbre together. For example, APWS has a high Hz slant that makes for an odd balance (oddly beautiful and appealing, imo). TGXear Alpha has the timbre and staging but lacks some treble presence and air. FQL Ibis has the timbre, staging and dynamic but has a warmer tonal balance and less midrange clarity (hence, I use it for fatigue-free long-listening sessions). Blue Moon is the most tonally balanced set in my top 10 and that's an achievement in it's own right, however, it's the performance overall that pushes it so far up my list.
 
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