Jun 7, 2024 at 11:46 AM Post #75,796 of 80,425
I would like to ask if I have a budget of $400, would you recommend me to buy Yincrow rw4000? Or are there other better options?

The types of music I usually listen to are Jpop, animation OST and symphony.
I don't normally listen to your specific combination of music. I've just listened to several extended mixes of Jpop, animation OST and symphony on Amazon music with both Yincrow RW-3000 and RW-4000. I think the RW-3000 is better suited for that specific mix of music types.

Others can chime in with other suggestions.
 
Jun 7, 2024 at 12:06 PM Post #75,797 of 80,425
Hi, welcome! That's a very healthy budget for an earbud! Have you tried various earbud shell shapes?
I haven’t tried it yet because there are almost no earbuds for sale in my city. I used to own IEMs, but recently my ears started to feel uncomfortable, so I would consider earbuds.

By the way, the IEM I mainly used before was Moondrop illumination. I’m not sure if you know about this IEM.
 
Jun 7, 2024 at 12:07 PM Post #75,798 of 80,425
I don't normally listen to your specific combination of music. I've just listened to several extended mixes of Jpop, animation OST and symphony on Amazon music with both Yincrow RW-3000 and RW-4000. I think the RW-3000 is better suited for that specific mix of music types.

Others can chime in with other suggestions.
Thanks for your suggestion, I will take rw3000 into higher consideration!
 
Jun 7, 2024 at 12:16 PM Post #75,799 of 80,425
I haven’t tried it yet because there are almost no earbuds for sale in my city. I used to own IEMs, but recently my ears started to feel uncomfortable, so I would consider earbuds.

By the way, the IEM I mainly used before was Moondrop illumination. I’m not sure if you know about this IEM.
Do you have access to Alix? I'd highly recommend buying cheap earbuds (<10 USD) of various shell types and just check that you find them comfortable.

My ears are...I guess fairly average, and I find MX500 and Rikubuds shells are ok for me. I'd recommend you check for fit before spending hundreds.

Once you're happy with your fit, then we've curated a ranking list that you might find useful: https://forum.hifiguides.com/t/wired-earbuds-best-of-the-best-recs/42597/109
 
Jun 7, 2024 at 12:36 PM Post #75,800 of 80,425
Do you have access to Alix? I'd highly recommend buying cheap earbuds (<10 USD) of various shell types and just check that you find them comfortable.

My ears are...I guess fairly average, and I find MX500 and Rikubuds shells are ok for me. I'd recommend you check for fit before spending hundreds.

Once you're happy with your fit, then we've curated a ranking list that you might find useful: https://forum.hifiguides.com/t/wired-earbuds-best-of-the-best-recs/42597/109
This form is very detailed 😯 I will try it out and then find the earbud that suits me. Thank you very much!
 
Jun 7, 2024 at 1:45 PM Post #75,801 of 80,425
Some impressions on Eb2S and A-Bells.

I am pretty new to earbuds and the audiophile craze of buying new gear all the time. Excuse me if what I write might not be clear or misleading, as I probably am not too familiar with the lingo yet...
My findings about my preferences in earbuds so far are this:
If people call a sound signature "neutral" - to me this tends to be somewhat bright, and not reflecting the experience of hearing sound in real life.
"Balanced" - this may be balanced for me or still a tiny bit too bright.
"Balanced" with a slight bass boost and a tiny bit of added warmth would be what I would call "natural" sounding for me.
As source I am using the Qudelix 5k, crossfeed setting at 28, minimum phase fast rolloff filter.

Spotify playlist test tracks

Eb2s: I instantly fell in love with the tuning. Silky Smoooth. The most Beautiful timbre on vocals and drums! Warm, but never too warm for my taste, avoiding any bass bleed to the mids. Bass is there in ample amount, just as much as needed. Perfect presence on vocals. Guitars have the proper presence and "excitement" as well. There is subbass rolloff and treble rolloff, which starts pretty early, which is why timbre on wind instruments like 🎷 is lacking a tiny bit and cymbals, shakers and alike instruments lack a bit of sparkle and presence. Bass texturing is not great and lack of subbass means that for Electronica it is not a great match (Bass sounds slightly "rubbery") but still ok, because there is no lack of bass.
Width is not a lot, imaging and seperation are also not very good. Depth is very good if is "baked in" to the track via reverb, as I find the frequency response very natural and this translates to realistic reverb for me. Otherwise depth and layering are not great. Dynamics are nice, Detail retrieval is nothing to write home about however.
Overall the somewhat lacking technical abilities and the slight lack of treble air are probably part of the "secret sauce" of these buds. It is never fatiguing and always just sounds so beautiful, slightly "romanticized". The signature works at lower volume and at higher volume playing, which is also a plus.
It works well with nearly all songs of my playlist. Not great for "Iron Maiden -The Trooper" though, as it lacks seperation, making for an uninvolving playpack, it just doesn't rock hard, which this literally must do, beeing "hard rock"! 😁. Also not great on "Kavinsky - Nightcall" , showing a somewhat "rubbery bass". "Sinatra - The September of my life (Live at the Sands)" is a real highlight here. His voice sounds incredibly pleasant, great timbre. The applause at the end of the track also sounds very realistic, so frequency response and balance are very good for my tastes!
These buds are also comfy, this combined with the tonality and the lacking technicalities make for a beautifully unfatiguing experience. I am not even interested in testing out the 2 Ry4s varieties I received today... 😅
The cable is ok I guess. I got the version with microphone, only because the version without mic wasn't available at 14€. The mic is hanging on the cable which is going out from the right bud, which is a stupid choice, making the weight distribution of the cable slightly uneven. Not a big problem. The build feels very nice and substantial.
If one might want to improve and complete the frequency response here is a parametric eq setting:
low shelf, 4db, 70hz, q 0,75
high shelf, 11000hz, q 0,7
Preamp -4db
This will improve usability for Electronica a lot, and will also slightly improve the imaging.
Overall I am not sure if it is necessary though: the better extension on both ends will draw you to look closer for details and you will realize the lack of bass texturing and treble detail some more, which might result in some loss of the "secret sauce" in these earbuds.

Aeolian bells: This is going to be short. As some have said there is some kind of "reverb" sound going on, others have written, that music played sounds as if you'd be hearing it outside at an open air festival. This is true. There seems to be a pretty wide and strong treble boost in between probably 6-10khz. Treble sounds totally unrealistic to me. Especially the shakers, tambourine, hi hat on "Big Thief - Two hands" sound somewhat wheigtless and totally off in timbre. I got another shock when the applause on "Sinatra - The September of my life" set in. It sounded very off and unrealistic. I could not get these out of my ears fast enough. This could probably work as a "looking glass" if you are interested in details because of the emphasized treble. To say a good thing: the treble is still smooth and not painfull at all! But I can't see me using these a lot...
Excellent! I was hoping the EB2S was a pleasant experience for you. Mainly cuz I want a pair, and I think I'll now get a pair. 🙃

Thank you for the detailed impression. It was well thought out. Quick question, EB2S and Rosemary/Iris 2.0... Which one will you be grabbing for the most?

And that's a shame about the bells. The ones you got is a new revision i guess. I've read very positive things about the old ones and that's the reason I wanted to get em. But because I saw that these are "new" I figured I'd better wait for some reviews. Guess I'm glad that I did.

Anyways thank you for taking the time for us!
 
Jun 7, 2024 at 3:11 PM Post #75,802 of 80,425
Quick question, EB2S and Rosemary/Iris 2.0... Which one will you be grabbing for the most?
Right now of course the EB2S. 😁
I will not answer your question directly, because I think I know, what you want to know!
I read that you find the Rosemary a little boring and prefer the Iris 2.0.
You EQ the Bass region, right? I am guessing, that you get rid of some of the bass bleed in the Iris and end up with a less bloated low end... I actually think the Iris 2.0 has quite a bit better timbre on guitar and vocals than the Rosemary. More energy between 3-5 khz than in the Rosemary I think, making Instruments and vocals more "interesting" and correct sounding than in the Rosemary. The Rosemary in turn has better treble, resulting in better detail retrieval, Imaging and more "shine" on cymbals. Generally the Rosemary is technically better. Timbre better in Iris 2.0.
If what I wrote there is matching how you feel about Iris VS Rosemary, then you will absolutely enjoy the EB2S. It has tonally the most pleasing midrange - upper midrange - treble range transition in any of the buds I own. Totally natural sounding to me with beautiful timbre.
Please be aware that there might be some bias in what I write right now, as I am in love with these buds! 😆
One thing: the EB2S has a little less bass than either one of Iris or Rosemary.
 
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Jun 7, 2024 at 6:49 PM Post #75,803 of 80,425
Right now of course the EB2S. 😁
I will not answer your question directly, because I think I know, what you want to know!
I read that you find the Rosemary a little boring and prefer the Iris 2.0.
You EQ the Bass region, right? I am guessing, that you get rid of some of the bass bleed in the Iris and end up with a less bloated low end... I actually think the Iris 2.0 has quite a bit better timbre on guitar and vocals than the Rosemary. More energy between 3-5 khz than in the Rosemary I think, making Instruments and vocals more "interesting" and correct sounding than in the Rosemary. The Rosemary in turn has better treble, resulting in better detail retrieval, Imaging and more "shine" on cymbals. Generally the Rosemary is technically better. Timbre better in Iris 2.0.
If what I wrote there is matching how you feel about Iris VS Rosemary, then you will absolutely enjoy the EB2S. It has tonally the most pleasing midrange - upper midrange - treble range transition in any of the buds I own. Totally natural sounding to me with beautiful timbre.
Please be aware that there might be some bias in what I write right now, as I am in love with these buds! 😆
One thing: the EB2S has a little less bass than either one of Iris or Rosemary.
Yeah I still like the Rosemary of course, but I've been using nothing but the Iris 2.0 lately. And you got it, I eq that bass region(I forget who showed me that😉). It sounds good without it. But when I add a little it sounds so much better.

This probably wasn't quite a fair question to ask since you're still in that honeymoon phase with the EB2S. But you know my tastes so if you say I'm gonna dig them then I'm gonna get them!

Thanks for all the info. Appreciated.
 
Jun 7, 2024 at 8:35 PM Post #75,804 of 80,425
Thanks for your suggestion, I will take rw3000 into higher consideration!
I hate to make an assumption you can read Chinese, but since you are in Taiwan, then I believe you can.

Here's a link to a Yincrow RW-4000 impression, compared to RW-3000 and some comments about comparison with Ksearphone Titanium Bell.

I used google Chinese to English translate to understand what the discussion was about.

http://www.erji.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2322724&extra=page=1&page=1
 
Jun 7, 2024 at 9:44 PM Post #75,805 of 80,425
Jun 8, 2024 at 1:20 AM Post #75,806 of 80,425
I hate to make an assumption you can read Chinese, but since you are in Taiwan, then I believe you can.

Here's a link to a Yincrow RW-4000 impression, compared to RW-3000 and some comments about comparison with Ksearphone Titanium Bell.

I used google Chinese to English translate to understand what the discussion was about.

http://www.erji.net/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=2322724&extra=page=1&page=1
Yes, I can read Chinese 👍

I will use this article as a basis for selection. The comments in it also provide a detailed comparison with previous products. Thank you for your suggestions!
 
Jun 8, 2024 at 1:35 AM Post #75,807 of 80,425
Jun 8, 2024 at 2:53 AM Post #75,808 of 80,425
Then I will first find a shell that fits my ears. It would be great if there is a headphone store here where I can find them to try😞
Yeah it is a shame... But you should be able to source cheap earbuds so you can test out the common shell types.

I'd really recommend you consider a variety of buds, partly because DIYers make find fantastic earbuds (TGXEAR, Rikubuds, LREY)
 
Jun 8, 2024 at 4:23 AM Post #75,809 of 80,425
Yeah it is a shame... But you should be able to source cheap earbuds so you can test out the common shell types.

I'd really recommend you consider a variety of buds, partly because DIYers make find fantastic earbuds (TGXEAR, Rikubuds, LREY)
I just ordered a pair of NiceHCK earbud, and I plan to compare them with headphones with a price difference of nearly 70 times.
 
Jun 8, 2024 at 7:01 AM Post #75,810 of 80,425
Then I will first find a shell that fits my ears. It would be great if there is a headphone store here where I can find them to try😞
I posted this information for another member before. I hope it will be useful for you too.

For your reference here's some measurements of the diameters (sans foams) of some commonly recommended earbuds. If you have some coins that are roughly the same size as the Yincrow X6's naked (sans foams) speaker cover diameter you can do a quick check for fit into the Concha of your ear. (Don't walk around with those coins in your ears... people might think you're really weird, or it's a new fashion statement. LOL) Earbuds are mainly held in place by placing the speaker into the Concha and held in place by wedging behind the Tragus and Antitragus. Typically the stem of a MX500 shell will mostly align with the Intertragal notch.

People that have smaller than average ears often have trouble with earbuds because the Concha / Tragus / Antitragus area is too small for a comfortable fit. You might even find that you have a good fit in one ear but not the other (too loose / too tight) due to natural asymmetry of your ears. If a MX500 type shell with foams fits comfortably, you can wear most earbuds without a problem.


Yincrow X6 (MX500 shell) - 16.80mmYincrow RW-3000 - 16.88mmYincrow RW-2000 - 16.88mmFiiO FF3 - 16.50mm
FiiO FF5 - 16.50mmMoondrop Chaconne - 16.48mmYincrow Rhino - 16.32mmShozy BK (PK shell) - 16.10mm


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