[silverszi]

I have made a revelation
flat measured fr (using crinacle measurements) sounds good with iems (tested using blon blo-3, and i dont remember this thing having literally no treble extension but no it is not the filters)
i dont have any "good enough" iems though to continue testing my theories.

 

[Ronion]

Oh don't start that again, you know you like all their drivers.... LOL

But seriously, I really like that driver as well.

All their drivers are honestly great. What can I say? LOL

 

[Ronion]

Is there anything that has a near flatline frequency response so I can find what my target response is easily with filters.

Vido/X6 or if you want something awesome, Blur PK32.

 

[mt877]

Also experiment with fit... earbuds have their own fitting requirements... not nearly as critical as with IEMs (getting that 'seal') but nonetheless do require a proper fit in their own right as do all head/earphones really. This has been discussed, at great lengths, throughout the history of this thread (here are two examples that you might find helpful regarding "earbud fitting": Post #26,082 and Post #22,897. I, and many others here on this thread, would highly encourage that you to try various foam combinations to see if that improves the experience for you. Finding that perfect earbud is highly dependent on "the fit". Earbuds are prone to fitting issues due to mostly ear size but also anatomical variances between individuals. The use of foams to improve "the fit" can and does change the sound signature... sometimes drastically for better or worse and thus needs to be seriously factored in as accordingly

Following the link to Post #26,082, there was an additional link which pointed to a nifty earbud sizing idea for people that have problems with loose fitting buds. All credits to the original poster.

 

[silverszi]

@WoodyLuvr do you know of any earbuds that sound like a literal flat-line in terms of their response and not of a high impedance.

 

[silverszi]

Vido/X6 or if you want something awesome, Blur PK32.

vido and x6 both have pinna gain from what i know

edit
i have been affected by misinformation on the internet.

 

[syazwaned]

@WoodyLuvr do you know of any earbuds that sound like a literal flat-line in terms of their response and not of a high impedance.

LBBs

 

[silverszi]

LBBs

im returning them already and they have obvious pinna gain and pretty strong bass rolloff

 

[WoodyLuvr]

@WoodyLuvr do you know of any earbuds that sound like a literal flat-line in terms of their response and not of a high impedance.

LBBs

LOL! @syazwaned beat me to it! LBBs is super neutral and quite flat for an earbud and plays well with EQ.

im returning them already and they have obvious pinna gain and pretty strong bass rolloff

Sounds like you are super sensitive to high mids and low highs even more than I... maybe you should think about going to the dark side. Shozy BK Stardust is fairly flat as well but leans to the dark/warm side of things and is low impedance.

Spoiler: Shozy BK Stardust Sound Chart

 

[silverszi]

LOL! @syazwaned beat me to it! LBBs is super neutral and quite flat for an earbud and plays well with EQ.

Sounds like you are super sensitive even more than I... maybe you should think about going to the dark side. Shozy BK is fairly flat as well but leans to the dark/warm side of things.

Spoiler: Shozy BK Stardust Sound Chart

Yeah I have eq'd my blon blo3 to a flat line and it sounds the best of anything i have simply with that except for the complete lack of treble extension. Same target applies to koss ksc75 using crinacle's measurements as a basis.

 

[Black-Wolf]

Well, there is a problem with the concept itself of flat line...what do you mean by it?
A real flat line would seem extremely unatural as we don't ear each frequency equally loud. (Our ear best ear from about 500hz to 4khz, in the vocal range)
From an accoustic point of view, a perfectly flatline would be terribly honky and would seem purely medium oriented: no lows, no highs...

Most neutral oriented earbuds/IEM/Headphones/Speakers use a compensation curve to seem audibly neutral (curves are different for each type of device: not the same for buds and IEM, for obvious accoustic reasons)
BUT it seems everyone disagrees on the notion of linearity/ neutrality: Diffused Field Curve? (etymotics use a variant of it)? Harlan Curve? Or some propriatary curves (Dan Clarke, Audeze, etc.)? Each of them will pretend to have a kind of flat audible response (maybe not people following Harman curve, which is a statiscally prefered Curve) with its own compensation...but a flatline...i think no one would bother to out this on the market.

I may be mistaken though, no disrespect in my post.

 

[silverszi]

LOL! @syazwaned beat me to it! LBBs is super neutral and quite flat for an earbud and plays well with EQ.

Sounds like you are super sensitive to high mids and low highs even more than I... maybe you should think about going to the dark side. Shozy BK Stardust is fairly flat as well but leans to the dark/warm side of things and is low impedance.

Spoiler: Shozy BK Stardust Sound Chart

I'll look into the bk/stardust but at current there's no way I'm buying them lol (money).

 

[mt877]

For the folks looking for smaller size buds, you can't go wrong with these... a fun cable replacement and they sound great as well.
No special tuning needed, the buds have been tuned well from the original manufacturer. Everything bought from AE.

Search results for "Docomo pk2" in the Earbuds Round-Up thread.

Docomo pk2 14.8mm driver 32Ω

 

[silverszi]

Well, there is a problem with the concept itself of flat line...what do you mean by it?
A real flat line would seem extremely unatural as we don't ear each frequency equally loud. (Our ear best ear from about 500hz to 4khz, in the vocal range)
From an accoustic point of view, a perfectly flatline would be terribly honky and would seem purely medium oriented: no lows, no highs...

Most neutral oriented earbuds/IEM/Headphones/Speakers use a compensation curve to seem audibly neutral (curves are different for each type of device: not the same for buds and IEM, for obvious accoustic reasons)
BUT it seems everyone disagrees on the notion of linearity/ neutrality: Diffused Field Curve? (etymotics use a variant of it)? Harlan Curve? Or some propriatary curves (Dan Clarke, Audeze, etc.)? Each of them will pretend to have a kind of flat audible response (maybe not people following Harman curve, which is a statiscally prefered Curve) with its own compensation...but a flatline...i think no one would bother to out this on the market.

I may be mistaken though, no disrespect in my post.

Basically
pinna gain sounds bad to me, that 3khz boost hurts my ears.
I don't mean flat as in each frequency is as loud as the next
unless my ears really are like that which would be freaky but I haven't checked.

 

[FranQL]

Well, there is a problem with the concept itself of flat line...what do you mean by it?
A real flat line would seem extremely unatural as we don't ear each frequency equally loud. (Our ear best ear from about 500hz to 4khz, in the vocal range)
From an accoustic point of view, a perfectly flatline would be terribly honky and would seem purely medium oriented: no lows, no highs...

Most neutral oriented earbuds/IEM/Headphones/Speakers use a compensation curve to seem audibly neutral (curves are different for each type of device: not the same for buds and IEM, for obvious accoustic reasons)
BUT it seems everyone disagrees on the notion of linearity/ neutrality: Diffused Field Curve? (etymotics use a variant of it)? Harlan Curve? Or some propriatary curves (Dan Clarke, Audeze, etc.)? Each of them will pretend to have a kind of flat audible response (maybe not people following Harman curve, which is a statiscally prefered Curve) with its own compensation...but a flatline...i think no one would bother to out this on the market.

I may be mistaken though, no disrespect in my post.

BRAVO