[Change is Good]

 
I'd say if you can afford the K712 complete setup without going into undue debt then go for it.  It *should* reduce the temptation of you buying all the lesser headphones until you decide to buck up and upgrade to $1,000+ headphone territory.

 

   
I completely agree with this part of your post. 

 
Ditto...

 

[Mad Lust Envy]

Yeah, shooting straight for the K712 is a great idea, as its bound to impress almost anyone, and halt the temptation of buying something better/more expensive.

The only thing holding me back would be the eventual HE400i, which will be $500, planarmagnetic, and easy to drive, with a tonal balance that should be similar to the HE500. Time will tell. Other than that, the K712 for $375, is the best option, IMHO.

 

[Zombie_X]

IMO the K712 is just a side grade from the other K701 variations. I've heard one and nothing about them wants me to upgrade from the Q701. There are sonic differences, but nothing major enough to make me want to pay more for a variation. So IMO the $200 is a darned good deal right now on Amazon, don't waste your money of the $400 K712.
 
Feel free to disagree gents, all is fair in love and war..

 

[Change is Good]

I have no beef... I own a K612 after owning most of the latter x7xx models...
 

Spoiler: Warning: Spoiler!

 

 

[Jooce]

How would you guys pair another th50rp for gaming? Looking specifically at the ZMFs and Paradox.
I've heard great things about how musical the headphones are but I'd like to see if it blends well with my other hobby 

 

 

[Stillhart]

  How would you guys pair another th50rp for gaming? Looking specifically at the ZMFs and Paradox.
I've heard great things about how musical the headphones are but I'd like to see if it blends well with my other hobby 

 

I suspect they'll have similar strengths and weaknesses to the Mad Dog, reviewed in this guide.  Mainly that closed headphones aren't great for gaming...

 

[Stillhart]

  IMO the K712 is just a side grade from the other K701 variations. I've heard one and nothing about them wants me to upgrade from the Q701. There are sonic differences, but nothing major enough to make me want to pay more for a variation. So IMO the $200 is a darned good deal right now on Amazon, don't waste your money of the $400 K712.
 
Feel free to disagree gents, all is fair in love and war..

 
I want to agree with Zombie_X here.  I haven't heard the K712 so I can't comment directly.  But seriously, I can't imagine they sound TWICE as good as the Q701 for twice the price.  Especially since so many people say that the pads are the main difference and those are like a $60 upgrade.
 
I adore my Q701 so obviously I'm biased.  I just don't think upgrading to the K712 would be worth the money for me and I project that onto others.  :-D

 

[Change is Good]

I, too, have to agree. The only real noticeable difference between a K712 PRO and a Q701/K702 with K712 pads is the comfort from it's headband...

 

[Mad Lust Envy]

This is exactly why I say if you want the K712 sound (very close to it) for cheap, just get a standard K702, and order the K12 pads. You'll end up saving around $100. I wouldn't get the Q701 or K702, because they still have the bumped headband.

That being said, the K712's sound IS worth it over the others if you want more warmth, bass, and less upper range fatigue. The standard models sound dry and less musical in comparison.

Now I'm just basically repeating what I said on the guide.

I wouldn't use a standard 7xx as my only headphone if they aren't using the K712 pads which do make a rather significant difference in immersion and fun factor.

 

[lttlfld]

Hi everyone, I've got a 5.1 surround setup centered around a Denon 1513 and was wondering if this receiver will deliver something equivalent to dolby surround to my MA900s if I plug them into the front? Or do I need to buy a separate amp/DAC for them? Currently gaming on the X1 and getting into Titanfall with my buds online.

 

[Stillhart]

Hi everyone, I've got a 5.1 surround setup centered around a Denon 1513 and was wondering if this receiver will deliver something equivalent to dolby surround to my MA900s if I plug them into the front? Or do I need to buy a separate amp/DAC for them? Currently gaming on the X1 and getting into Titanfall with my buds online.

According to their website it has "Virtual Surround Mode – For 2 Speakers/Headphones".  I can't speak to how good their processing is tho...

 

[lttlfld]

According to their website it has "Virtual Surround Mode – For 2 Speakers/Headphones".  I can't speak to how good their processing is tho...

I saw that but had no idea what it meant. So much of this audio stuff just sounds like mumbo jumbo. Does anyone have experience using an av receiver as the source?

 

[Stillhart]

I saw that but had no idea what it meant. So much of this audio stuff just sounds like mumbo jumbo. Does anyone have experience using an av receiver as the source?

I have Dolby Headphone on my Harmon Kardon receiver.  Works great, I just prefer the THX surround processing on my Recon and Omni. 
 
What you're missing is that Dolby Headphone and THX TruAudio (or whatever they call it) and Silent Cinema all do the same thing:  process 5.1 signal into virtual surround.  They just use different programming so the sound will be a little different with each.  If you watch the comparison video in the guide, you'll see that CMSS-3D, THX and DH all sound very similar but some will sound more 3D to you than others.
 
So this Virtual Surround on your Denon does the same thing using, what I'm assuming is, proprietary tech.  I don't know how it compares to DH and only you can tell us if it sounds good to your ears.  Why not plug in your headphones and find out?

 

[AxelCloris]

Holy cow, I step away for a few hours and you guys blow up this thread? Damn, you all need to spend more time gaming and less time reading forums.
 
Everyone should go buy ESO and join me. That'll help.

 

[Change is Good]

Holy cow, I step away for a few hours and you guys blow up this thread? Damn, you all need to spend more time gaming and less time reading forums.

Everyone should go buy ESO and join me. That'll help.

I don't have a PC you troll!