Jan 3, 2023 at 9:31 AM Post #67,666 of 80,295
Hi everyone, again... I have used TC300 for 1,5 years then one day, while walking, I heard rattling soung from one side, then from other side. It just happened in 3 seconds. I don't know what happened but since then, one side does not working. I looked for new one to buy Fengru TC300 but UNFORTUNATELLY I have missed the last one in few days in September 2022. After asking about re-stock situation to the seller (at Aliexpress, CKLewis) for months, I have learned that the factory is closed. Since that hard day, I have been using my old Sennheiser MX365 which I am keeping it as my last fully working Sennheiser MX earbuds since whole MX serie is discountinued.

Right now TC200 available but I want it as last option. I really loved TC300's natural sound. Mid-bass were tight and above flat, gives a body to the sound without making it muddy. Mids were absolutely neutral and great. Treble was okay like how it should be. No sibilance yet full airy and open. Soundwise, It had great depth. Depth was absolutely amazing. Instrument seperation was avarage, you could not tell what instrument coming in which o'clock like TC200. Soundstage was also great. The only problem was driver size... I have used MX80 and whole other MX series. Except MX375, 475, 5XX, 8XX, 9XX, all drivers were small so, it could fit my ear. But these 500 serie earbuds does not fit my ear very well. I heard same complaints from other users on forum but there is no solution since nobody produce their own earbud driver.

Mostly, I LOVED it's dark sound which is same with classic Sennheiser sound signature. Is there any recommendings for me?
Maybe try https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803886261908.html. Sounds like you describe. Look for yourself on fit. Qigom 300 ohm driver. Budget Ks K300 (https://www.aliexpress.us/item/2255801104924172.html).
 
Jan 3, 2023 at 9:59 AM Post #67,667 of 80,295
It's not that I don't want to answer, it's that maybe my tastes aren't the most appropriate to say that something is or isn't TOLT, I have a great facility to say what I don't like or what is wrong when I hear any thing (IMO), but once everything is in place I can't say things like "holographic" (because there can't be that term for sound), or certain technical terms by which people can bring something to god level.

An example is LBB / LBBs, it just seemed rubbish to me, and it is a beloved and loved bud by many.

In summary, something tolt for me cannot be a reference for anything or anyone, and the buds that I consider TOLT are the ones that make me listen to music and while I think... uff my goodness, how does this sound!
Honestly, please do not feel you cannot contribute an opinion to a question! I value all opinions in this thread carefully and this is something I like to see. The LBB is pretty poor imo, and LBBs is ok, not my taste.

Good luck with your DIY projects. I remember you were making a planar earbud right? How is the progress?


With regards to manufacturers focusing on earbuds, sadly, I think they might do R&D mostly in IEMs and headphones, or even TWS, rather than earbuds. Earbuds are probably too niche for the manufacturers, I think there's not a huge market pie for them to readily invest time and money into making earbuds.

We have exceptions with Fiio making the FF3 and FF5 recently, but most of the big boys still churn out IEMs faster than earbuds. Haha anyway, we'll keep this earbud audio nirvana as our little secret here, it might be good in a way that earbuds aren't so mainstream. I get jaded now seeing budget IEMs being dumped on a weekly basis, and majority are just sidegrades that are forgotten after a few weeks.
For the planar bud, I have a few ideas on my table im going to work on for it. It'll be a one of a kind earbud, using a DD and planar with potentially the first earbud with an iem like crossover. However, it may take time.

And you're right! Im glad earbuds arent mainstream because its allowed communities to form around such a niche transducer for us. Probably how DIYers have made it this far!
 
Jan 3, 2023 at 11:33 AM Post #67,668 of 80,295
Well, these Yincrow X6 phones are real winners for sure. I’m using them with silicon gaskets under stock foams right now and it’s very good. The fit is solid and the sound is perfect. THICK and textured bass. Nice mid forward presentation generally. Sparkly treble with good detail and most surprising of all, pretty great separation to boot.

I know these are old news for most of the buds crowd, but they deserve the spotlight. For around $10 these are easily as good as several of my vastly pricier IEMs.
Don't sweat it at all. If you read quite a ways back in this thread, you would see that the X6 were a big deal around here. So big, that if you talked bad about them at that time, people on here would threaten to sic Chuck Norris on you.. :)
I would like to ask a general question!
What do you all consider to be a TOTL earbud, whether you believe in it or not, thats currently available or was!
For me there are many, not because of their price (though most are up in that price range anyhow), but because I find them to be, to my ears in some way or another (or in some cases many).

  • Yinman 2.0 600
  • Yincrow RW3000
  • Yincrow RW2000
  • Moondrop Chaconne
  • FiiO FF3
  • Fii0 FF5
  • Smabat ST10S B&G (150ohm edition)
 
Jan 3, 2023 at 12:47 PM Post #67,669 of 80,295
I would like to ask a general question!
What do you all consider to be a TOTL earbud, whether you believe in it or not, thats currently available or was!
Yinman 2.0 600 ohms for me considered as totl tuning. It ticks all of my boxes
Dark signature,
Great treble extension
Relaxing Timbre
Scale with power.
 
Jan 3, 2023 at 12:57 PM Post #67,670 of 80,295
Yinman 2.0 600 ohms for me considered as totl tuning. It ticks all of my boxes
Dark signature,
Great treble extension
Relaxing Timbre
Scale with power.
Interesting how we all hear things differently. Ironically, even though we hear the Yinman differently they are on top of both of our lists... And it ticks all of my boxes as well. :)

I hear them as:
A warm signature (which I suppose is close to dark except the mid and especially upper bass are the more prominent to my ears),
Great treble extension (tertiary signature)
Relaxed timbre, but great clarity at the same time (so not really dark for me, though the bass CAN be prominent)
Scale with power.
 
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Jan 3, 2023 at 5:04 PM Post #67,671 of 80,295
Intro and Biases
I just started looking at this forum, and cheap buds in general, within the last couple months. I’ve used Sennheiser MX365s for years without really knowing of any decent, affordable alternatives. So needless to say, I’ve jumped into amassing these ChiFi buds pretty quickly, and my impressions could change with time.

I’m making this post to help people who were in my recent situation: trying to figure out what’s worth ordering, but information is scattered all over the place in different threads and posts. Hopefully, having a reference where the same listener directly compares a lot of popular options is helpful, even if it’s only one perspective at the end of the day. Certainly feel free to ask questions or for more clarification on differences between pairs I’ve reviewed; I’ll probably be around quite a bit at least in the short term.

As far as my biases: I mainly listen to rock, including lots of hard rock and metal. I prefer to listen loud (probably too loud sometimes). I’ve always preferred a more forward and bright sound over warm and dark (for example, I love Klipsch speakers). I usually prefer a V-shaped EQ. I like bass, but not so much that I’m willing to accept bloat or boominess to get it.

I’ll try to update this if I have any significant changes of heart and as new buds arrive.

Individual Reviews
Edifier H180
V-shaped EQ. A bit thin sounding in the mids. Bass is prominent but feels somewhat boomy/bloated, focused almost exclusively in the mid-bass. Treble is on the harsh side, yet not especially clear or crisp to my ears. Wide soundstage and not very forward/fast; reminds me of open back Sennheiser headphones in general signature. Prefer with full foam pads to tame harshness/brightness and maximize bass.

These are buds that make a good impression with the big soundstage and overall signature when you first put them on, and I wanted to love them. But upon closer inspection, they’re revealed as boomy and somewhat lacking in clarity.

Build quality is among the worst of any earbuds I’ve used with an extremely thin cable, cheap plastic jack, and shells that don’t inspire confidence.

FAAEAL Datura X
*If you’re sensitive to harsh/bright treble, don’t buy.

V-shaped EQ. My initial impression was that they’re all treble with recessed mids and no bass. With experimentation, I realized this bud’s performance is extremely dependent on positioning in the ear. They’ve got decent bass, but for me at least, the buds sit most naturally in a position where the sound is directed too high within the ear canal. If I force them to point downward a bit (and even more so if I physically press them inward), the bass quickly comes alive, making for a fun V-shaped signature I really enjoy. Relatively narrow soundstage; very fast and forward. Treble is certainly on the bright side, enough to put some people off. Prefer with full foams to tame the treble and augment bass.

Build quality seems good with a braided cable, but the gold-colored cylinder immediately above the jack has already come loose after only a few weeks of use.

This is a frustrating entry from FAAEAL. If they’d gotten the fit right, it would likely be one of my favorites, as someone who often prefers bright, clear, and forward rather than warmth or big soundstage. But I simply can’t get them to stay in the right position to deliver the sound they’re capable of without a lot of effort.

FAAEAL Snow-Lotus 1.0+ Commemorative Edition
**If you need high volume from underpowered sources, don’t buy.

Mid-centric without much attempt at bass or treble extension. Flat, balanced EQ. Moderately wide soundstage. Anemic bass overall (even mid-bass). However, I have to admit these have good clarity and do what they do well; their flat signature just isn’t what I prefer. Worth noting that these are a bit less efficient than others on my list and struggle to get loud with some sources (64 Ohms).

Build quality is decent with a cloth-wrapped lower cable and robust jack, but the weight in conjunction with the bulky rubberized cable split makes them less convenient than average for on-the-go use.

Fengru EMX500
EQ is flatter than most of the others, though not as flat as the Snow-Lotus 1.0+. Signature is more toward the warm and dark end of the spectrum. In some ways, this reminds me of a slightly cleaner and slightly less bassy Vido. It’s good, but comparing head-to-head against top contenders like the HP32 and TC200, things just feel the slightest bit boxy and muddy. Soundstage is relatively narrow with a “band playing in your face” vibe. In a way this is like the darker and warmer cousin to the RY4S, which shares the forward/narrow soundstage characteristic but offers a brighter and less bassy take on it.

Build quality is OK, but I don’t like the cable at all. It’s braided like the Datura X, but thinner, so seems to tangle very easily. Probably my least favorite cable on the list, actually.

Fengru TC200 (aka Fengru Silver)
**If you need high volume from underpowered sources, don’t buy.

Wonderful EQ that’s relatively balanced, but leans just enough toward V-shaped to keep things clear and musical. Probably the best “clarity” I’ve heard from an earbud or earphone -- that word means slightly different things to different people, of course, but I’m floored. The first word I’d use to sum these up is “transparent.” Put another way, these have no significant flaws, so they kind of just disappear and let the content shine through as it should. Bass is mediocre in quantity, but present enough for non-bassheads, and has absolutely no bloat or boominess… in other words, it’s all mid-bass, but it’s punchy and controlled and never comes close to bleeding into the mids. Mids are fantastic and clear, even if a tad deemphasized. Treble really floors me: this is the first bud I’ve heard that, as someone who generally likes bright and forward, I can say is very clear and airy without being harsh or piercing *at all*. I don’t think I’ve ever heard anything quite like it from full headphones or in my limited experience with speakers, either.

If the paradox or crisp, airy but non-harsh treble isn’t enough to sell you on these, if gets better: the soundstage is wide, instrument separation is fantastic, imaging just seems spot on… and yet it doesn’t feel at all veiled or recessed to me, as someone who tends to worry about losing that fast, in-your-face edge for rock music when soundstage is big (e.g., Sennheiser HDXXX series cans).

Other than the lack of sub-bass, the only con I’d point out is that these are relatively quiet/inefficient, despite being labeled at 16 Ohms. Compared to most of the other options on this list, you’ll need to bump your volume up a notch or two for equal levels. This could be problematic if you’re not using a good amp and you prefer listening at near-dangerous volumes, but shouldn’t be an issue otherwise.

Build quality is good for the price. Love the cable, love the look.

These deserve all the praise they’ve gotten and then some. If a variant could be made with moderately better bass extension (something approaching the HP32’s bass) but otherwise identical, I might pay 10x what they’re going for now.

Fengru TC300
**If you need high volume from underpowered sources, don’t buy.

Relatively flat and balanced EQ. Moderately wide soundstage. Good clarity.

I bought these after receiving my first pair of TC200s, as those were my favorite out of 10+ buds I’d collected at that time. The TC300 is slightly pricier ($8 vs. $5) and the seller insinuates that it’s a bassier version of the TC200, which is precisely what I wanted. In reality, these have a markedly different signature from the TC200, but they’re still really good. Whereas the TC200 has what I’d consider the ideal EQ -- moderately V-shaped, but not obnoxiously so -- these are quite noticeably flatter. Their sound is very similar to the FAAEAL Snow-Lotus 1.0+ CE in almost every respect. In A/B testing the two, I swapped them 5-10x and still struggled to pinpoint differences I was completely confident in. My initial impression is that the TC300 is ever so slightly less flat (a touch more bass and a touch less rolled-off treble than the SL1.0+), but it’s really splitting hairs. Probably as a result of any minor EQ difference, I’d also describe the TC300 as the tiniest bit clearer and less grainy.

Build quality is good. The cable is black, instead of gray like the TC200. The jack is connected to a cylindrical faux-metal piece, instead of a flatter plastic one on the TC200. Otherwise, it would be hard to tell them apart.

It’s hard for me to decide whether these are deserving of the same high praise as the legendary TC200/Silver, because the flat signature of the TC300 isn’t my preferred style. What I can say is that you shouldn’t buy them expecting a straightforward upgrade from the TC200; also, the bass quantity isn’t really much more (if any). I would highly recommend these as an alternative to the SL1.0+, as I prefer their form factor and they’re around the same price.

NICEHCK Vido
EQ is somewhat V-shaped, but it’s complicated (and not great) on the high end. Warm and bass-centric. Bass is certainly good for an ultra-cheap earbud, but that’s the only high praise I have sound-wise. Mids are dark, not especially clear, and adversely affected by mid-bass. Treble is thin and lackluster, with some attempt at extension that sounds tacky and grating; harshness without real oomph or clarity to make it worth the price of admission. Prefer without foams, given their strength in bass and weakness in treble. Overall, the base signature is enjoyable, but they lean toward graininess and lack clarity in the mids and highs. I’m sure a better execution of this signature would sound fantastic (and the Fengru TC200 is sort of that, albeit with a bit less bass).

Build quality is appropriately lackluster for the price, and the J-cable is fairly annoying to me.

Because of the price, every basshead should own a pair or two, and everyone else into buds should probably still try it out just for the hell of it.

QuianYun Qian39
Probably the most disappointing on my list, relative to my expectations when I ordered. Very much another dark, warm, boxy signature similar to the Vidos, but with less bass, a higher pricetag, and a better reputation to live up to. Dirty, grainy, muddy, playing through a sewer pipe… man, the more I listen to this, the more shocked I am that reviews were generally so positive. I seriously wonder if I have a defective pair. This is probably my second least-favorite on the list after the horrific RY04, but it was close to $10, and it also has a crappy cable. It has an L-jack, which I like… so I guess I can say one nice thing about it? The Qian69 has even more glowing reviews, but I’m so put off and afraid of ordering anything else over $3 that shares much of anything in common with the 39 that I’m not sure I’ll give it a chance. Yuck.

RYGMR RY04
These are a joke. Not in the same stratosphere as anything else on this list. Incredibly tinny, thin, and I don’t think they’re even attempting to reproduce anything below 200 Hz on the low end. Not even worthy of inclusion as a freebie with a cheap smartphone. I’d throw them away if they weren’t potentially worth using in future comparisons. You get the point.

RYGMR RY4S (non-UE ~$3 version)
*If you’re sensitive to harsh/bright treble, don’t buy.

I had high expectations for these, given their reputation for being relatively bright and forward. While they live up to that label, I found their clarity and bass a smidge less than desired. Don’t get me wrong; these are good, and any non-basshead who likes in-your-face soundstage should be pretty happy. EQ tends toward V-shaped, but with little bass extension, so more on the right side of the V than left. It tends to sound really good on some recordings, but gets exposed as thin sounding on loud, compressed songs with a lot of bass.

Build quality for the non-UE version is mediocre at best. Cord tangles easily.

Sennheiser MX365
Another fairly flat and mid-centric bud whose signature closely resembles the Snow-Lotus 1.0+, but with noticeably more treble emphasis… or maybe just peakier in the treble. However, after comparing these two closely, I also noticed the MX365 seems a little thinner and boxier in some ways. Narrow soundstage and reasonably forward in presentation, but slightly muddy. Prefer without foams.

These are all I used for several years up until recently discovering the cheap ChiFi bud craze, and they served me well enough at the price of $15-20 I typically paid when I wore a pair out. After hearing all these other options, though, I wouldn’t go out of my way to buy another pair at that price even if they were still widely available. Given they’re discontinued and now require effort to track down, I’d say it’s a no-brainer to pass on these. The SL 1.0+ offers a slightly cleaner, slightly more balanced take on this signature and is still available for around $10.

Build quality is average. L-jack is a plus.

TY Hi-Z HP32
*If you’re sensitive to harsh/bright treble, don’t buy.

These are about as V-shaped as you’ll find -- in fact, U-shaped might even be more accurate. And I’m talking “crank the very bottom and top ends up by +6 dB” U-shaped. If that’s your thing, these are probably going to be delightful. If mids are your thing, you might as well stop reading here. Bass is exquisite for earbuds, with almost all the focus being on powerful sub-bass that simply doesn’t exist in most budget competitors. Even by the time you get up to the upper end of mid-bass, it feels like those frequencies are already deemphasized. Mids overall are very much toned down in the EQ curve and have a fairly thin presence that will be a dealbreaker to some. Treble is clear, bright, and harsh all at once, with great extension. Foams are a requirement to tame the harshness. Soundstage is wide and impressive; so much so that I actually wish they were a bit more of a “band playing in your face” vibe for the kind of music I focus on.

I feel like these actually accomplish what the Edifier H180s only attempt to do: wide soundstage and a pop-friendly V signature with good clarity. The only reason to prefer the H180s are their slightly fuller mids, but overall clarity and bass quality are loads better on the HP32s. In addition, these offer all the brightness and treble clarity of the RY4S (if anything, these are even brighter), but seem to additionally fill in the low end and widen the soundstage without any real disadvantage. As such, I’d start with the HP32, and only move on to the RY4S if you find these excessively bright and don’t mind sacrificing lots of bass to chop off 20% of the brightness.

Build quality is average with a reasonably thick wire. L-jack is a plus.

Current rankings/groupings
*Always subject to change

Awesome
  • Fengru TC200 (aka Fengru Silver)
  • TY Hi-Z HP32
Really Good
  • FAAEAL Snow-Lotus 1.0+ Commemorative Edition
  • Fengru TC300
Decent to Good
  • Edifier H180
  • FAAEAL Datura X
  • Fengru EMX500
  • NICEHCK Vido
  • RYGMR RY4S (non-UE)
  • Sennheiser MX365
Mediocre with Significant Flaws
  • QuianYun Qian39
Abysmal
  • RYGMR RY04
TLDR Recommendations
The following recommendations are obviously based only on the pairs I’ve reviewed (comprehensive list above in the rankings).
  • If you strongly prefer prominent mids (flat EQ) over any semblance of poppy V-shaped EQ: Fengru TC300

  • If you’re a basshead, love V-shaped EQ (don’t mind thin and recessed mids), and can tolerate relatively harsh brightness: TY Hi-Z HP32

  • Anyone else who likes to crank the volume way up and plans to use an underpowered amp (e.g., smartphone jack) regularly: toss-up between TY Hi-Z HP32, RYGMR RY4S, Fengru EMX500; there’s no perfect answer I’ve found so far
  • Everyone else (don’t need ultra-loud volume and/or using a real amp): Fengru TC200 (aka Fengru Silver)

Hi everyone, again... I have used TC300 for 1,5 years then one day, while walking, I heard rattling soung from one side, then from other side. It just happened in 3 seconds. I don't know what happened but since then, one side does not working. I looked for new one to buy Fengru TC300 but UNFORTUNATELLY I have missed the last one in few days in September 2022. After asking about re-stock situation to the seller (at Aliexpress, CKLewis) for months, I have learned that the factory is closed. Since that hard day, I have been using my old Sennheiser MX365 which I am keeping it as my last fully working Sennheiser MX earbuds since whole MX serie is discountinued.

Right now TC200 available but I want it as last option. I really loved TC300's natural sound. Mid-bass were tight and above flat, gives a body to the sound without making it muddy. Mids were absolutely neutral and great. Treble was okay like how it should be. No sibilance yet full airy and open. Soundwise, It had great depth. Depth was absolutely amazing. Instrument seperation was avarage, you could not tell what instrument coming in which o'clock like TC200. Soundstage was also great. The only problem was driver size... I have used MX80 and whole other MX series. Except MX375, 475, 5XX, 8XX, 9XX, all drivers were small so, it could fit my ear. But these 500 serie earbuds does not fit my ear very well. I heard same complaints from other users on forum but there is no solution since nobody produce their own earbud driver.

Mostly, I LOVED it's dark sound which is same with classic Sennheiser sound signature. Is there any recommendings for me?

Thank you for your comments guys but this is a little bit expensive. I am looking for that dark Sennheiser sound signature. And most important, natural sound. I want my TC300 back. :frowning2:

That rich, fuller yet not shouty mids, normal trebles, no sibilance yet full airy and open, making sound crystal clear without killing hi-hats' or sound effects', reverb's neutral timbre. Peak at mid-bass, giving a body to sound yet does not making it muddy or leaking into mids. Up-bass is normal which is it does not leak into mids and male vocals sound right at all! Sub-bass is there but not emphasised like closed-back headphones.

Soundsignature was absolutely my favorite, dark, Sennheiser. Soundstage was okay, not the widest but how it should be at LEAST. Depth was amazing! Instrument seperation was okay.

I bought FAAEAL Snow-Lotus 1.0 and NiceHCK EB2S. I hope there is no difference for FAAEAL since I actually wanted Snow-Lotus 1.0+ version. Let's see... I will reply this in the future!

-Why I don't want to pay too much for earbuds?
+First of all, I am Turkish. We were buying earbuds in bazaar in 90s, early 2000s. This was cheap solution for the music lovers who listens music on cassette players/portable radios. I know how much capacity they can get in the normal situation so I don't want to pay too much because it is called Hi-Fi or whatever. I saw too many example or comments which cheap earbuds compared to expensive/brand ones.
 
Jan 3, 2023 at 5:25 PM Post #67,672 of 80,295
I bought FAAEAL Snow-Lotus 1.0 and NiceHCK EB2S. I hope there is no difference for FAAEAL since I actually wanted Snow-Lotus 1.0+ version. Let's see... I will reply this in the future!

-Why I don't want to pay too much for earbuds?
+First of all, I am Turkish. We were buying earbuds in bazaar in 90s, early 2000s. This was cheap solution for the music lovers who listens music on cassette players/portable radios. I know how much capacity they can get in the normal situation so I don't want to pay too much because it is called Hi-Fi or whatever. I saw too many example or comments which cheap earbuds compared to expensive/brand ones.

Smart.
 
Jan 4, 2023 at 2:28 AM Post #67,673 of 80,295
I bought FAAEAL Snow-Lotus 1.0 and NiceHCK EB2S. I hope there is no difference for FAAEAL since I actually wanted Snow-Lotus 1.0+ version. Let's see... I will reply this in the future!

-Why I don't want to pay too much for earbuds?
+First of all, I am Turkish. We were buying earbuds in bazaar in 90s, early 2000s. This was cheap solution for the music lovers who listens music on cassette players/portable radios. I know how much capacity they can get in the normal situation so I don't want to pay too much because it is called Hi-Fi or whatever. I saw too many example or comments which cheap earbuds compared to expensive/brand ones.
There is nothing wrong with wanting to save some money, but keep in mind that the earbuds (at least the ones I recommend) do indeed sound leagues ahead of the two that you named weather they are actually called Hi-Fi or not. ;) Both of those that you bought are pretty good, but it is the same as saying a set of IEMs or headphones is pretty good compared to TOTL.

I don't own the Lotus (though I have auditioned them), but they have an overall decent sound, if a bit congested. It has been a few years now since hearing them, so my memory could be a bit faulty. The EB2S, I still own, and I really do like them. They are like a less refined version of the Smabat M2S Pro (a mid-tier offering) but are just a bit more thin and hollow sounding (not totally in a bad way though). For the money, they are both good choices IMO. I truly hope you enjoy them both. :)

I will have to say though, that unless you have listened to earbuds in the last 5-10 years, you may be shocked at how far they have come since the 90s-2000s. Some of the ones I have listed as TOTL can rival some open back headphones in most categories (except for being large :)).
 
Jan 4, 2023 at 2:34 AM Post #67,674 of 80,295
There is nothing wrong with wanting to save some money, but keep in mind that the earbuds (at least the ones I recommend) do indeed sound leagues ahead of the two that you named weather they are actually called Hi-Fi or not. :wink: Both of those that you bought are pretty good, but it is the same as saying a set of IEMs or headphones is pretty good compared to TOTL.

I don't own the Lotus (though I have auditioned them), but they have an overall decent sound, if a bit congested. It has been a few years now since hearing them, so my memory could be a bit faulty. The EB2S, I still own, and I really do like them. They are like a less refined version of the Smabat M2S Pro (a mid-tier offering) but are just a bit more thin and hollow sounding (not totally in a bad way though). For the money, they are both good choices IMO. I truly hope you enjoy them both. :)

I will have to say though, that unless you have listened to earbuds in the last 5-10 years, you may be shocked at how far they have come since the 90s-2000s. Some of the ones I have listed as TOTL can rival some open back headphones in most categories (except for being large :)).

You are absolutely right about everything you said BUT there is a fact that earbuds can be the most forgiving headphone types. You ear gets used to it. Yes, some of them capable of giving details but if you are going to use it as everyday driver, outside, work, street, bus and sometimes home. There is no real point of buying something over XX bucks.
 
Jan 4, 2023 at 2:46 AM Post #67,675 of 80,295
You are absolutely right about everything you said BUT there is a fact that earbuds can be the most forgiving headphone types. You ear gets used to it. Yes, some of them capable of giving details but if you are going to use it as everyday driver, outside, work, street, bus and sometimes home. There is no real point of buying something over XX bucks.
I totally get that. After all, it is pretty difficult to do any sort of critical listening while in those situations (especially with open type transducers such as earbuds). It seems as though you made the right choice both for your ears, AND your wallet... :)

As long as you don't mind a pretty hefty boost in the pina gain region, you will definitely like the EB2S. Hopefully having to turn them up (invoking the nasty Munson Curve) won't fatigue you too much. But with earbuds, there aren't a lot of choices that DON'T have that nowadays (even the expensive ones). Do let us know how you fare with them?!
 
Jan 4, 2023 at 6:29 AM Post #67,676 of 80,295
Interesting how we all hear things differently. Ironically, even though we hear the Yinman differently they are on top of both of our lists... And it ticks all of my boxes as well. :)

I hear them as:
A warm signature (which I suppose is close to dark except the mid and especially upper bass are the more prominent to my ears),
Great treble extension (tertiary signature)
Relaxed timbre, but great clarity at the same time (so not really dark for me, though the bass CAN be prominent)
Scale with power.
haha maybe I just confused between dark and warm, mainly my fault bro
 
Jan 4, 2023 at 11:41 AM Post #67,677 of 80,295
haha maybe I just confused between dark and warm, mainly my fault bro
No, not at all.. (my ears ARE getting old haha). :)

There can be a pretty fine line between dark and warm where our ears are concerned sometimes. If you hear them as having blunted treble, but are bass heavy, especially in the sub region (e.g. Sony house tuning) then they would definitely be dark. The only real difference here is that warm is (also) considered bass heavy, whether a little or a lot, except in most cases it is the upper bass that adds that warmth to the mids or overall tone, all while still having whatever treble they tuned into it. They can STILL have blunted treble also, but to my ears they aren't on this set. Granted the treble on these is NOT analytical boosted, they still remain focused and clear... But keep in mind, that is MY take on them, and someone like @JAnonymous5150 found them to be too blunted in the treble region for his liking. I found that if they had more prominent treble it would negatively impact the bass to a point that they might sound too much like a V (which they decidedly are not to my ears).

Adjectives assigned to describe the sound you hear, in words is not exact because really... how DO you describe what you are hearing in an easy way? But the bottom line is that we both agree that at the end of the day, regardless of a "tag" placed on them, they are marvelous earbuds (to us), and that is what is the most important IMHO. And until I hear better, these are still on top of my lists as all time favorites, as far as I am concerned. :)

Enjoy the music brother! :sunglasses: :thumbsup:
 
Jan 4, 2023 at 11:44 AM Post #67,678 of 80,295
Happy New Year Everyone!

The VE Megatron will definitely drive it. You should order that and a balanced plug for full effect. I can give you the tuning formula for perfecting the pinna gain, with maximum bass depth and extended treble. You can adjust from there, but I’ve definitely hit an incredible great starting point. Well, okay… it’s literally my favorite audio I’ve heard. You can have it for around $100. The elbow plugs are much easier to solder FWIW.
I looked at even more options and seems like the Megatron is the best choice for me. I will order it. Your personal 600 Ohm tuning formula for $100? Interesting proposition. Will I have to solder onto the Megatron?
The cable that comes with it is too short for comfort, so ask them about their longer USB cables. I've tried 8 other USB cables with the Megatron and none of them worked. All the VE cables work on all my computers and tablets.
Thank you, I’ll ask them for their longer cables.
Brass has bite, strings have rosin, singers have saliva in their throats, etc... I really don't know exactly why it sounds like it does, but all my amps that measure really clean really don't have that sound and it's different from a laid back tube amp....
This was the sentence that convinced me to get it.
 
Jan 4, 2023 at 1:58 PM Post #67,679 of 80,295
I bought FAAEAL Snow-Lotus 1.0 and NiceHCK EB2S. I hope there is no difference for FAAEAL since I actually wanted Snow-Lotus 1.0+ version. Let's see... I will reply this in the future!

-Why I don't want to pay too much for earbuds?
+First of all, I am Turkish. We were buying earbuds in bazaar in 90s, early 2000s. This was cheap solution for the music lovers who listens music on cassette players/portable radios. I know how much capacity they can get in the normal situation so I don't want to pay too much because it is called Hi-Fi or whatever. I saw too many example or comments which cheap earbuds compared to expensive/brand ones.
Let us know how the Snow Lotus works out vs. the TC300.
 
Jan 4, 2023 at 2:11 PM Post #67,680 of 80,295
I looked at even more options and seems like the Megatron is the best choice for me. I will order it. Your personal 600 Ohm tuning formula for $100? Interesting proposition. Will I have to solder onto the Megatron?

Thank you, I’ll ask them for their longer cables.

This was the sentence that convinced me to get it.
Definitely don’t solder it to the Megatron. I was just saying that you can buy the parts for around $50 and you can build it to how I have mine tuned and then adjust from there if you don’t like it. Since the Megatron is around $50, adding the 2 up should give you a great sound for around $100. It’ll end up being a bit more I’m sure due to shipping costs and cable preferences. There are also several presoldered 600Ohm buds available on AE that probably don’t sound too bad and might be able to be opened easily and tuned. You can certainly build a few great buds for $20(ish) that I could give you tunings for as well if you are interested. Then There’s the Yinman…. Lots of options.
 
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