Ronion
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I guess I only spent approximately $450 on 3 buds with Blur and had many conversations. Gave me the “colleague” price and all. Seemed like we were cool. Hard to say what he charges for others. He did discuss signatures, cabling, and cosmetics…. but nothing further even in the slightest. Now I’m bummed about him too if what you say is true. I had purchased before a few of the guys you mention. Glad I stopped spending that kind of money and started DIYing for a couple reasons in all honesty.Perhaps, I should have stressed the known part more when I said "known customer" as Blur can be quite shy and humble... it takes a very long time for him to open up with people. Unfortunately, your experience was different which doesn't make the experience of many others any less true though. @WoodyLuvr, @ian91, @Charlyro222, @Scuba Devils, and @qua2k to name but a few of whom who have worked in friendly collaboration with Blur, openly discussing drivers, tuning, and cabling and offering our recommendations related to such, as well as, testing and listening to prototypes which resulted in a number of interesting new models and lines launched (well documented over on the Blur Earbuds Lovers thread). But regardless, anyone can buy a Blur earbud and open it up. Learn from it. And with a bit of luck and hard work might be able to spark a development, an improvement, or another innovation from it.
Honestly that never ever entered my mind even for one second nor would I ever think that your graphs were submitted (posted) and intended as "such proof". Earbud graphs at this point of time still tend to not prove or support such topics very well but the efforts that a few of you are currently making in this area may change that very soon! I just hope that you all can get along well enough to rally your knowledge and resources to make it happen. It would truly be awesome if it does.
Upset? No, I assure you that I am not. You or anyone else can correct or challenge anything I post; I will not take offense to it at all. I appreciate and welcome healthy discourse; heated debate; and constructive criticism. As long as it is not personal.
I fail to see the relationship between your FR graphs and my old god-tier list and my opinion regarding earbud primary sound signatures. How does a deep bass response on a FR graph disprove anything that I have said before? Are you saying that I don't think and/or have said that earbuds can't have good bass response? I never said nor do I believe that... hell, a few of the earbuds that I personally own are mid-centric but also very, very strong bass performers: Blur 256 PK16 White Face; Blur OFC PK150 Wraith; and RikuBuds Berserker 1. All of your FR graphs fit nicely into my chart without any issue or conflict. What am I missing here?
I believe you may very well have indeed misunderstood what I wrote as I didn't quite say "all buds were midcentric"... maybe because you were not paying attention! (only joking, I couldn't resist!). Here are some of my most recent statements made about the subject:
Due to their driver-type and open-air design, earbud primary sound signatures do tend to be more often than not mid-centric. That is not to say that there are no outliers with opposing signatures (Astrotec Lyra Nature Limited Edition whose primary is clearly Bright-Clinical) nor that strong secondary and tertiary sound signatures can't drastically and dramatically pull the total sound signature away from the mid-centric area further into one of the four classic signature quadrants: "Dark" (e.g. VE Zen 2); "Warm" (e.g. Ks Bell-Ti 120); "Bright" (e.g. Pislo); or "Aggressive" (e.g. Rose Maria I & II).
I even created a chart which clearly shows that "Mid-Centric" and "Open-Air Flathead Earbuds" can be "Warm" or "Aggressive" and even "Dark" or "Bright" to some degree depending on where a earbud's primary plot falls.
I was not patronizing nor being condescending.
My fault completely for misunderstanding that part and taking it far too literally. I honestly had thought your were telling my that you were at the stage now of selling earbuds and genuinely was all excited about that as some of the more recent DIY Earbuds that I have heard have been quite stellar (a big shout out to @FranQL and @RikudouGoku )! My mind isn't what it used to be and I thought I had completely missed your earbud launch. I completely missed @irv003's Newbsound which I felt awful about and then to make matters even worse I kept forgetting to ask him for the model data to enter it on the timeline.
But this does beg the question then: If you are not selling and/or willing to share your earbud designs how will your designs improve and advance? I just don't get it.
I think I get you point and humbly concur, that you have contributed a lot and I will never deny you that. But I was/am not addressing that but rather the reason why you would wave a secret in our faces and then refuse to let us in on that secret... the graphs and the associated driver(s) that produced them would have provided a very interesting discourse that would have benefited us all... yes, including a few pesky greedy trolls that don't share or give credit. That is all. Nothing more, nothing less.
FYI - Blur previously worked as a designer and technician for a well known IEM maker and is an aviation electrical technician by training... I think you might have incorrectly mistook his poor English skills and humbleness for a lack of audio science knowledge and expertise.
My tone has been the same throughout all my posts I was simply more direct in some than others. I never once personally attacked you or made it personal. I admit I was probably too frank and direct in the way that I "called you out" (asking you to explain your actions/motives), but I was simply questioning the reasoning behind your recent posts sharing graphs that you were in-turn so unwilling to discuss or answer questions about.
Do note that my posts were also indirectly aimed at those DIYers whom have been feuding with other DIYers recently over stolen designs and tuning methods and I was hoping to show them another perspective to consider and to end this secretive stance and feud as it does not help flathead earbuds as a medium one damn bit. Punishing the many for the actions of the few never solves anything... since when is DIYing an "industrial secret" activity? The spirit of DIYing is ultimately "sharing" or at least it was back in the my days DIYing.
No need to apologize for that, it was a simple mistake and I wasn't offended. I was only clearing the air regarding that particular subject due to the very reason that you so rightly mentioned... I don't need that albatross tightening any further around me'neck! LOL!
@Ronion Just so you know, I really don't think ill of you nor do I respect you any less as an individual. Why should I? We simply had a disagreement, an argument, a conflict of opinion. It happens. It does not mean that we are now sworn enemies until death nor that we can no longer interact or think well of one another.
Peace brother.
Anyway, I encourage people to do the same and DIY. There’s absolutely no need to pay crazy prices. Parts are cheap and the soldering is the easiest you can find. Buds don’t have to be midcentric or expensive. Several people reading this started DIYing and then weeks later went into business and likely outperforming most comparably priced commercial buds and with some style and customization. It’s really not that hard. I know my first few blew my mind and they’re still good on the grand scheme of things. Of course friends led me to success. The hard part is that last 10% and polishing sows’ ears into silk purses. Many drivers are easy to tune well. Rary’s guide has it all and he’s published it all to see. More information than I had when I started. The bud that caused all this discussion costs right at $20 all included and is easily better sounding than anything I purchased regardless of price though the Tingo TG38 still beats it in soundstage.
) and build yourself many buds that will surely surprise you in price, SQ, performance and because you have made them yourself.
.... and you definitely need more buds 
), I would have to re-purchase a LOT of music (or I could probably RockBox one of em'). I actually still have my iPod Photo, but it needs a new battery. Now that one (IMO, and others as well from reading about it) had some of the best sound for its time.. IIRC it used a good ole' Wolfsen DAC (but my memory might faulty here).
