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May 22, 2024 at 12:38 AM Post #102,556 of 106,855
It's what sells. Sonos has been the "Apple" of the at-home streaming speaker system for the longest time. Minimalistic design. Sophisticated functionality. Proprietary ecosystem.

I'm not surprised that Sonos designed their headphone with the minimalistic earmuff design that Apple has. Even Sony changed up their WH-1000XM series to resemble Apple more and I wouldn't be surprised if their next model is even more Apple-like. Plus, these ANC wireless headphones are meant for commuting and traveling. Personally, I'd rather wear something like the Sonos Ace than my big as5 full-sized headphones when I'm traveling.

No doubt. It’s Apple’s doing. But in the last decade or so Apple has really lost a lot of their design edge. They’ve fallen back on iteration and shied away from anything that pushes the boundaries. It’s similar to what happened to the DSLR market. Canon and Nikon pro DSLR cameras all look like blobs now. Featureless blobs.
 
May 22, 2024 at 12:40 AM Post #102,558 of 106,855
Lol holy crap that tree is such a throwback.
“Throwback” is not precisely the word that came to my mind… I’m leaning towards “creepy”, possibly bordering on “terrifying”…
 
May 22, 2024 at 12:46 AM Post #102,560 of 106,855
No doubt. It’s Apple’s doing. But in the last decade or so Apple has really lost a lot of their design edge. They’ve fallen back on iteration and shied away from anything that pushes the boundaries. It’s similar to what happened to the DSLR market. Canon and Nikon pro DSLR cameras all look like blobs now. Featureless blobs.
I grew up during Nokia early camera phone era
where every phone could look VERY different from one to another.

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May 22, 2024 at 1:00 AM Post #102,561 of 106,855
Speaking about the Dark Magician,
Dark Magician unclaimed stepsibling, XSL got an update in form of XSL X-One LM


I've really been enjoying these with the blue nozzles, seems slightly brighter than my MK3s. Probably because of the earlier 2k peak. I do still grab the MK1s from time to time whenever I need to scratch that itch.

These drivers just have a different texture and sense of air compared to other single DDs.
 
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May 22, 2024 at 1:07 AM Post #102,562 of 106,855
I've really been enjoying these with the blue nozzles, seems slightly brighter than my MK3s. Probably because of the earlier 2k peak. I do still grab the MK1s from time to time whenever I need to scratch that itch.

These drivers just have a different texture and sense of air compared to other single DDs.
For brightness are you referring to pinna gain? Unless I’m mistaken and the treble is in fact not super similar between the sets.

Edit: Nvm, just saw your comment about 2k lol.
 
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May 22, 2024 at 1:09 AM Post #102,564 of 106,855
The much too early comparison between the CCA Trio vs KZ ZS10 Pro 2

This one is still, in my opinion, too early to call, but I can tell you, these two can TRADE BLOWS!! UUUU for each for even playing field.

Treble : KZ ZS10 P2 >> CCA Trio - Treble is an easy win for the KZ. The shimmer, air, and tonality take me back to the Hifiman RE0, but with more control. It's a type of treble that you usually find in well tuned EST's (DUNU EST112/Mofasest Trio/SFR MT300), where it's ethereal and shimmers and it just goes until it feels like ending. The Trio's treble is darker, has less air, and just doesn't have the same extension, though neither has any real spikes or shrills and are controlled. I just like the tonality better on the KZ.

Mids : CCA Trio > KZ ZS10 P2 - Very close. KZ has a tad more warmth, but really, not much more. Both are vocal forward, but Trio is slightly more forward, and maybe the Trio has fuller vocal presentation both male and female? Guitars bite nicely for both, but the KZ has more note weight than the Trio when it comes to piano, keyboards, etc. Trio has slightly, ever so slightly, more detail reveals in the mids, but it's negligible.

Bass : KZ ZS10 P2 > CCA Trio - I know some owners of the Trio said the bass can seem a bit unrefined at times, and I also can agree to an extent, but this is not a problem with the KZ. The bass is resolving, elastic, punchy, has presence, does not bleed into the mids, is clean and fast. You can make out individual notes and plucks, and when you need thump and sub bass, there's plenty of that available, especially in UU mode. It will please bass lovers just as much as treble heads. The Trio can provide that, just not as resolving and definitely not at the quantity. I personally have nothing against Trio's bass. I enjoy it.

Resolution : KZ all day. One of the strengths of this IEM is that the resolution is top tier, even against some of my more expensive units, and is more resolving and clear than the IE600, Shangri-La, IE800, EA1000, EA500LM, and pretty much punches even with the Aures. Trio has decent to good resolution, and was one of my beefs from the start, as well as others. It could be better, and the KZ are better.

Stage and Imaging : CCA Trio = KZ ZS10 P2. I put the CCA first, though it's even, because if this was a photo finish, the nose might be the Trio? From the beginning. the special sauce of the Trio was it's amazing orbital and flexible stage, with equally excellent width, depth, and height. with black background, good spacing between instruments, and near pinpoint imaging on the stage. It's what made many of us say WHOA!! So I think the KZ comes close, but....maybe...not quite as orbital as the Trio? It's got really good staging and imaging, but maybe not quite the depth, though height is good too. Even stevens?

Detail retrieval : Man, I'm conflicted! CCA = KZ? Both EXCEL in details and in presenting things in the music you might have considered hidden. The KZ are more resolving and clear overall, with the Trio being warmer, but both can spit out deets, reverb trails, obscure notes, and peel complex tracks like an onion with aplomb. Both are detail monsters, but taking different sonics to get there.

Verdict? Didn't I say at the top of this novel that it's still too early for a verdict?! Well...it is! So stop asking. Go away!

***Sorry. Crappy photo. I have to bolt to the store for a bit. No time. LOL

Would agree with you on the comparison, specially the treble and bass is of higher quality and resolution on ZS10 Pro 2. The bass quality is actually very good and better than many other more expensive sets.

But I still get fatuiged after listening to this KZ on more energetic music or for longer sessions. I'm very sensetive to bad quality upper mids and that's probably why, as it does have some of that grainy sharper upper midrange. Not the first KZ and CCA giving me this problem, why I tend to only like the dynamic driver models 😅

But I cannot deny this being a good value of them, especially looking at the price 💯
 
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May 22, 2024 at 1:13 AM Post #102,566 of 106,855
For brightness are you referring to pinna gain? Unless I’m mistaken and the treble is in fact not super similar between the sets.

Edit: Nvm, just saw your comment about 2k lol.
In the video, MK3 treble graphs higher than MK4, but my sets sound the opposite to my ear. Maybe unit variance as well? Wish I had a coupler to measure lol.
 
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May 22, 2024 at 1:16 AM Post #102,567 of 106,855
In the video, MK3 treble graphs higher than MK4, but my sets sound the opposite to my ear.
The 2k boost as indicated in the graph will give the perception of a less dark sound like you said cuz mids aren’t as shadowed by the bass. I think the sharpness of the mid treble plus the 2k boost should sound pretty balanced.
 
May 22, 2024 at 1:23 AM Post #102,569 of 106,855
Would agree with you on the comparison, specially the treble and bass is of higher quality and resolution on ZS10 Pro 2. The bass quality is actually very good and better than many other more expensive sets.

But I still get fatuiged after listening to the KZ on more energetic music or for longer sessions. I'm very sensetive to the metallic upper mids and that's probably why, as it does have some of that grainy sharper upper midrange. Not the first KZ and CCA giving me this problem, why I tend to only like the dynamic driver models 😅

But I cannot deny this being a good value of them, especially looking at the price 💯
The highs will smoothen out a bit with 100+ hours of playtime, and you could try out some small bore tips (e.g. Type E's) to help with the upper mids and highs all so slightly.
 
May 22, 2024 at 1:23 AM Post #102,570 of 106,855
Just teased on their Facebook

ISN H60 - 2 Dynamic Driver +4 Balanced Armature Hybrid Audiophile IEM

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