Earbuds Round-Up
Aug 3, 2021 at 12:58 PM Post #56,791 of 75,518
Well folks. I have come up with a final solution for the Moondrop Chaconne. As you may, or may not know, I have been searching for a solution to help keep these in my ears while I work, or play. These are heavy enough that you could walk, and stuff like that, but anything that involves moving your head quickly, or bending over, and etc... does not work too well with them.

At first I tried silicone rings, and they worked a bit better than foams alone, but still liked to drop out when turning my head quickly. Next I tried some aftermarket silicone wings. They worked, and in the short term they were pretty comfortable. But after a time (about an hour or so), they really started to irritate my ears. On top of that, because they were clipped to the front of the driver, they held the buds too far out from my ear canal. It didn't hurt the sound TOO much, but the bass was made much less, and those that have heard the Chaconne know that they can't afford to lose any quantity of bass.

I was browsing Amazon and ran across something that didn't register at the time, but when I took a good look at the design of the bud, I came back to this accessory with some excitement. It turns out that these work perfectly with the Chaconne: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07B4HF18C/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1.

They are made of pretty soft (yet rigid) plastic. To the point that they don't snap back to the original position, but actually stay where you put them (to an extent). This makes them basically moldable to your ear structure. The "C" type hooks are removeable from the ear hooks and are made much more rigid and not really pliable, giving them much more tensile strength. Because they clip on the narrow barrel near the back of the bud shell, they hold the buds closer to the ear canal (but not so much that you ruin the sound staging for these).

I have been wearing them with this setup for some hours now, and OH BOY! I can't tell I have the buds on except for the beautiful sounds I am hearing. And I could probably play freeze tag with these on without them even moving (if anyone remembers that game from their youth :wink:).

Anywho, here are some pics to show what they look like, and how they fit on the buds:


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This kinda reminds me of what VE packed in with the Sun buds, nice find!
 
Aug 3, 2021 at 1:04 PM Post #56,793 of 75,518
Doesn't Pentaconn have an extra ground pole that 2.5mm doesn't? I would've assumed that it would make a difference possibly not.
No idea.



X6 vs SL 2.5:

Cleaner and more tonally correct. More mid-bass on the SL causing some slight bleed into the mids and overly warm.



Almost no bass extension and rumble compared to the X6. Speed is similar but tighter and a lot more texture on the X6.




Tonality is more correct on the X6 due to it being brighter and cleaner. Mid-bass bloat is affecting the violins and it sounds unclean on it on the SL.


There you go.
 
Aug 3, 2021 at 1:06 PM Post #56,794 of 75,518
This kinda reminds me of what VE packed in with the Sun buds, nice find!
Thanks! I wonder why the idea didn't seem to catch on with more buds being as how this is a weakness to them, especially on the heavier ones (which pretty much describes all of the so called TOTL buds out there nowadays)?! Maybe at least as an add-in option. :dizzy_face:
 
Aug 3, 2021 at 1:08 PM Post #56,795 of 75,518
(I think it would be nice if you made a post like that for other brands with a lot of buds, like Smabat.)
This is what I have... anything missing?

Svara - Smabat (Shenzhen Smabat Technology Co., Ltd.) Model Timeline

2017 - Svara-L & M; 115Ω
2018 - Svara-L 2018; 32Ω
2018 - Svara Pro; 64Ω (First Labyrinth-Maze Acoustics Design)
2019 - Smabat M1 Pro; 32Ω (2nd Gen 3D Labyrinth-Maze Acoustics)
2019 - Smabat ST10 Green; 45Ω (2nd Gen 3D Labyrinth-Maze Acoustics)
2020 - Smabat M2 Pro; 40Ω (1st Gen Modular Earbud w/ Labyrinth-Maze Acoustics)
2020 - Smabat ST10S Black-Silver; 40Ω (3rd Gen Labyrinth-Maze Acoustics)
2020 - Smabat ST10S Black-Gold; 150Ω (3rd Gen Labyrinth-Maze Acoustics)
2021 - Smabat M0; 20Ω (First DIY Modular Earbud w/ Labyrinth-Maze Acoustics)
2021 - Smabat M2 Pro 2021 Version; 40Ω (2nd Gen Modular Earbud w/ Labyrinth-Maze Acoustics)
2021 - Smabat M2s Pro; 40Ω (2nd Gen Modular Earbud w/ Labyrinth-Maze Acoustics)
2021 - Smabat M3 Pro; 150Ω (w/ Labyrinth-Maze Acoustics)
2021 - Smabat Proto 1.0; 16Ω (3rd Gen DIY Modular Earbud w/ Labyrinth-Maze Acoustics)
2021 - Smabat Super One; 100Ω (aka S-Class Earbud; 2nd Gen Linear Labyrinth Space Acoustics w/Integrated Linear Channel-Duct)
2021 - Smabat Svara 1; 20Ω (w/ Labyrinth-Maze Acoustics)
2022 - Smabat M4; 40ΩLCP (4th Gen DIY Modular Earbud; other available modules: 40ΩLCPLarge; 40ΩTi; 100ΩBio; 120ΩBio; 150ΩTi)
2022 - Smabat M Pro; 40ΩLCP (w/ 2nd Gen Linear Labyrinth Space Acoustics)
2022 - Smabat M Youth; 40ΩTi (w/ 2nd Gen Linear Labyrinth Space Acoustics)
2022 - Smabat ST20; 50ΩLCP (w/ 3rd Gen Conch Labyrinth Space Acoustics)
2022 - Smabat ST20 Pro; 120Ω (World's 2nd Balanced Armature + Dynamic Hybrid w/ 3rd Gen Conch Labyrinth Space Acoustics)
 
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Aug 3, 2021 at 1:08 PM Post #56,796 of 75,518
Thanks! I wonder why the idea didn't seem to catch on with more buds being as how this is a weakness to them, especially on the heavier ones (which pretty much describes all of the so called TOTL buds out there nowadays)?! Maybe at least as an add-in option. :dizzy_face:
Honestly I feel as if they make the shells small enough to force you out of using one :laughing:, I guess people just expect you to just sit down and listen to your buds at specific times of day without using them outside :ksc75smile:
 
Aug 3, 2021 at 1:10 PM Post #56,797 of 75,518
This is what I have... anything missing?

Svara - Smabat (Shenzhen Smabat Technology Co., Ltd.) Model Timeline

2017 - Svara L & M (Original 115Ω)
2019 - Smabat M1 Pro (32Ω)
2019 - Smabat ST10 (Green 45Ω)
2020 - Smabat M2 Pro (40Ω; Modular Earbud)
2020 - Smabat ST10S (Black-Silver 40Ω; Black-Gold 150Ω)
2021 - Smabat M0 (20Ω; DIY Modular Earbud)
2021 - Smabat M2s Pro (40Ω; Modular Earbud)
2021 - Smabat Super One (100Ω; S-Class Earbud)
Wait, Svara = Smabat?


Doesnt seem to be missing anything.
 
Aug 3, 2021 at 1:12 PM Post #56,798 of 75,518
Thanks! I wonder why the idea didn't seem to catch on with more buds being as how this is a weakness to them, especially on the heavier ones (which pretty much describes all of the so called TOTL buds out there nowadays)?! Maybe at least as an add-in option. :dizzy_face:

I think that although it is ergonomically logical to use it with adjustment problems, it does away with the concept of buds, making it more cumbersome to use on the go. That and that the buds that have implemented it have not had a great reception / many sales.
 
Aug 3, 2021 at 1:15 PM Post #56,800 of 75,518
This is what I have... anything missing?

Svara - Smabat (Shenzhen Smabat Technology Co., Ltd.) Model Timeline

2017 - Svara L & M (Original 115Ω)
2019 - Smabat M1 Pro (32Ω)
2019 - Smabat ST10 (Green 45Ω)
2020 - Smabat M2 Pro (40Ω; Modular Earbud)
2020 - Smabat ST10S (Black-Silver 40Ω; Black-Gold 150Ω)
2021 - Smabat M0 (20Ω; DIY Modular Earbud)
2021 - Smabat M2s Pro (40Ω; Modular Earbud)
2021 - Smabat Super One (100Ω; S-Class Earbud)

if I'm not mistaken there's Svara 32Ω version too?
 
Aug 3, 2021 at 1:18 PM Post #56,801 of 75,518
if I'm not mistaken there's Svara 32Ω version too?
Seems to be a SVARA-Pro as well.

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https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32807334197.html
 
Aug 3, 2021 at 1:19 PM Post #56,802 of 75,518
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Aug 3, 2021 at 1:19 PM Post #56,803 of 75,518
I would've assumed that it would make a difference, possibly not.
In practice it shouldn't make any difference. In theory it will make for a cleaner overall sound. It is like having a discrete ground for both left and right. But even if if DID make a difference, it would be so miniscule that you would be hard pressed to notice. It will only really be noticed by those that want every drop of blackness they can get, and can't get it out of their head that it isn't the BEST it can possibly be for the tech we have. Though this whole thing hinges on the implementation of the jack itself anyhow. hehe
Honestly I feel as if they make the shells small enough to force you out of using one :laughing:, I guess people just expect you to just sit down and listen to your buds at specific times of day without using them outside :ksc75smile:
Good point. But if I were making buds, I would want to get away from the past, and make them as versatile as possible?! All-rounders if you will. The lighter ones I can totally see this, because (when they fit right) they tend to be pretty solid in the ear. But with the "innovation" of using metals for some of the higher end ones, it seems as though they would try and solve the most obvious problem with them..

Ah well, not really a problem for me either way.
 
Aug 3, 2021 at 1:22 PM Post #56,804 of 75,518
Aug 3, 2021 at 1:23 PM Post #56,805 of 75,518
It does indeed have an extra ground ring.

Which I still, for the life of me, have trouble wrapping my head around. Why, if you have independent signal and return for each channel, do you also need a common ground for the jacket? I understand the theoretical noise rejection angle, but does it translate practically or was this just another attempt to make another standard that wasn't 2.5mm?

As the engineering joke goes: we had 23 standards....someone decided that was too many and harmonization was required. We now have 24 standards.
Good point. But if I were making buds, I would want to get away from the past, and make them as versatile as possible?! All-rounders if you will. The lighter ones I can totally see this, because (when they fit right) they tend to be pretty solid in the ear. But with the "innovation" of using metals for some of the higher end ones, it seems as though they would try and solve the most obvious problem with them..
What we need is a return to all-silicone earbud designs. The first person to implement one of those (properly, mind...don't need something that's going to slough pocket lint and dust constantly) is going to make bank. @WoodyLuvr might be a fun project if you can figure out how that molding process works.

In a stunning upset, NiceHCK has completely lapped the Smabat order and is already sitting in US customs while the drivers are parked in Hangzhou customs. Still anybody's game, though. Just excited at the prospect of getting any order from AE in a little over a week, mid-COVID.
 

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