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Feb 10, 2015 at 9:06 AM Post #32,701 of 42,298
listen4joy said:
  anyone can compare the WA22 and the Schiit Rangarok?
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I see that you have HD 800, so a better or more relevant question will be "can anyone compare the WA22 and the Schiit Rangarok for driving the HD 800?" 
 
The WA22 is quite good with HD 800 plus has the added advantage over SS of tweaking the sound with tube rolling. No idea about how the Rag is with HD 800.
 
Feb 10, 2015 at 9:16 AM Post #32,702 of 42,298
Be careful that the wa22 have a hidden cost of tubes, prepare to pay another $500 to replace the mediocre stock set
 
Feb 10, 2015 at 9:23 AM Post #32,703 of 42,298
preproman said:
 
Calling all WA22 / HD800 owners.  ​
 
 
I'm looking to this amp as a replacement for the EC 445 I sold.  That combo didn't do it for me as it was to lean / thin.  I heard the WA22 / HD800 combo at the Audio Feast, but just for a few.  What tubes are the best fit or is the the best amp for the HD800 sat this price point.  Don't want to go up to the WA5 price.  Is this a lean / thin combo or will the WA22 add some soul to the music?
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Below is a list of the top combinations IMO. This is a copy & paste from my tube rolling notes with HD 800 back when I had the WA22. It is not lean at all, adds lot of soul to the music. BTW I listen mainly to EDM & some rock. I categorise Tube combinations into 5 categories: Amazing, Very Nice, Nice, Average, Bad. Below is the list of combos in the "Amazing & Very Nice" categories.
 
  1. RCA 5U4G + TS 5998 + CV 181 (Very Nice, Smooth & top end extension, Punchy & tight bass & wide SS)
  2. RCA 5U4G + TS 5998 + NU 6F8G (Very Nice, Sweet n Clear sound, tight bass & wide SS)
  3. Cossor GZ37 + GEC 6AS7G + CV 181 (Amazing, Good Clarity & extended highs, Wide SS, Good bass)
  4. Cossor GZ37 + GEC 6080 + CV 181 (Amazing, Good Clarity & extended highs, Wide SS, Good bass)
  5. Cossor GZ37 + TS 5998 + CV 181 (Amazing, Good Clarity & extended highs, Massive SS & bass)
  6. GZ34 MB + GEC  6080 + Ken Rad  (Very Nice, good clarity & bass)
  7. EML 5U4G + GEC 6AS7G + Sophia 6SN7 (Very Nice, Big SS, Smooth n Clear)
  8. EML 5U4G + GEC 6AS7G + Brimar CV 1988 (Very Nice, Big SS, Nice Treble, Smooth n Sweet)
  9. EML 5U4G + TS 5998 + CV 181 (Very Nice, Big SS, Good Bass & High end extension, Good Clarity)
  10. EML 5U4G + GEC 6AS7G + CV 181 (Very Nice, Big SS, Good High end extension, Good Clarity)
  11. EML 5U4G + WE 421A + TSBGRP (Very Nice, Big SS, Good High end extension, Good Clarity)
  12. USAF 596 + GEC 6080 + TSBG 6F8G (Very nice, smooth , clear, good bass)
  13. USAF 596 + TS 5998 + NU 6F8G (Very nice, smooth , clear, good bass)
  14. USAF 596 + TS 5998 + CV 181 (Amazing, smooth , clear, good bass & SS)
  15. USAF 596 + WE421A + RCA Red 5692 (Very Nice, Clear n smooth, good bass, good SS )
  16. USAF 596 + Chatham 6080 GP + TSBG 6F8G (Very Nice,  good bass, good SS, Smooth)
  17. USAF 596 + Chatham 6080 GP + RCA Red 5692 (Very Nice, Good Bass, Smooth, Amazing Tone )
  18. USAF 596 + Chatham 6080 GP + KRBG VT 231 6SN7GT  (Very Nice, Good Bass , Smooth yet extnd treble)
  19. USAF 596 + Bendix 6080 GP + KRBG VT 231 6SN7GT  (V.Very Nice, Punchy Bass , wide SS, Smooth yet extnd treble)
  20. USAF 596 + Bendix 6080 GP + Sylv 6F8G  (V.Nice, Good  SS  n Clarity, Amazing Extended  Sweet Treble - WOW)
  21. USAF 596 + Bendix 6080 GP + TSBGRP  (Amazing, Good  everything, Dynamic)
  22. USAF 596 + GEC 6AS7G + CV 181 (Amazing, Smooth,  Dynamic & Punchy)
  23. WE422A + TS5998 + CV181 (Amazing, V.Good clarity, good Bass & Big SS, Top end extension)
  24. WE422A + TS 5998 + KRBG VT 231 6SN7GT  (Very Nice, Good Bass & SS, Smooth)
  25. WE422A + TS 5998 + TSBGRP 6SN7  (Very nice, V.Good clarity & SS, good bass & Top end extension)
  26. WE422A + TS5998+TSBGRP 6F8G (Very nice, V.Good clarity & SS, good Top end extension)
  27. WE422A + TS 5998 + SE 6SN7  (Very Nice, Good Bass & SS, Smooth)
  28. WE422A + TS 5998 + NU 6F8G (Very nice, V.Good clarity & SS, nice bass & Top end extension)
  29. WE422A + TS7236 + CV181  (Very nice, Balanced, Good bass, Clarity & smoothness)
  30. WE422A + TS7236 + SE 6SN7  (Very Nice, Good Bass & SS, Smooth)
  31. WE422A + TS7236 + TSBGRP 6SN7  (Very nice, V.Good clarity, good Bass & Big SS, Top end extension)
  32. WE422A + TS7236 + TSBG 6F8G  (Amazing, V.Good clarity,  Big SS, Top end extension, even though bass is pretty neutral I will still rate this as amazing due to the overall musicality)
  33. WE422A + TS7236 + Sylvn 6F8G (Very nice, V.Good clarity & SS & Top end extension)
  34. WE422A + TS7236 + NU 6F8G (Very nice, V.Good clarity & SS, nice bass & Top end extension yet smooth)
  35. WE422A + WE421A + SE 6SN7  (Amazing, V.Good clarity, good Bass & Big SS, Top end extension)
  36. WE422A + WE421A + CV 181 (screw** Amazing, V.Good clarity, good Bass & Big SS, Top end extension)
  37. U52 + TS 5998 + TSBG 6F8G (Very nice, Smooth n Sweet, Good SS + bass)
  38. U52 + WE421A + Mullard CV 181 (Very Nice, Smooth yet Punchy, 3D soundstage)
  39. U52 + GEC 6AS7G + Brimar CV1988 (Very Nice, Wide SS, Smooth n  Sweet Sound , great clarity)
  40. U52 + GEC 6080 + Ken Rad VT231 6SN7GT BG (Very Nice,  Good Bass n SS, Smooth n good treble, Good Clarity )
  41. U52 + Chatham 6080WB Solid GP+ Ken Rad VT231 6SN7GT BG (Very Nice,  Good Bass n SS, Smooth , good treble,  Good Clarity & Amazing Tone, separation & imaging )
  42. U52 + Chatham 6080WB Solid GP+ Brimar CV1988 (Very Nice,  Good Bass, Smooth , good treble,  Good Clarity & Amazing  SS, tone, separation & imaging )
  43. Chatham 5R4WGB + GEC 6080 + Ken Rad VT231 6SN7GT (Very Nice, Good Clarity & Bass, Dynamic)
  44. CBS 5AW4 + GEC 6AS7G + RCA RED 5692 (Very Very Nice, Dynamic & Great SS – 3D)
 
Feb 10, 2015 at 10:14 AM Post #32,705 of 42,298
Nice list, which CV181 did you use? I assume Mullard?
 
  1. WE422A + WE421A + CV 181 (screw** Amazing, V.Good clarity, good Bass & Big SS, Top end extension)
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Just an FYI.. that's a $1500 tubes combo there :)
 
Feb 10, 2015 at 10:53 AM Post #32,707 of 42,298
can anyone compare the WA22 and the Bottlehead Crack+Speedball for driving the HD 800?
 
and punit i see that you have:
 
Audio GD Master 9
Bottlehead Mainline
Cavalli Liquid Glass
 
which one of them do you use to drive your hd800? or maybe other amp? can you tell why you replace WA22 with your current hd800 amp and what is the diffrences? thnx!
 
Feb 10, 2015 at 12:06 PM Post #32,708 of 42,298
punit said:
   
Below is a list of the top combinations IMO. This is a copy & pate from my tube rolling notes with HD 800 back when I had the WA22. It is not lean at all, adds lot of soul to the music. BTW I listen mainly to EDM & some rock. I categorise Tube combinations into 5 categories: Amazing, Very Nice, Nice, Average, Bad. Below is the list of combos in the "Amazing & Very Nice" categories.
 
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Wow... that took serious time to listen, compare and document.  Well played and thanks for sharing.
 
Feb 10, 2015 at 3:44 PM Post #32,709 of 42,298
punit said:
   
Below is a list of the top combinations IMO. This is a copy & pate from my tube rolling notes with HD 800 back when I had the WA22. It is not lean at all, adds lot of soul to the music. BTW I listen mainly to EDM & some rock. I categorise Tube combinations into 5 categories: Amazing, Very Nice, Nice, Average, Bad. Below is the list of combos in the "Amazing & Very Nice" categories.
 
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One heck of a list. Amazing effort and helpful when I own the WA22.
 
I'm actually going to print a hard copy of this list.
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Feb 11, 2015 at 1:15 AM Post #32,711 of 42,298
Here is the complete list (I used TH 900 & HD 800 with WA22):
 
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1mEngtlGWkhzZYNFBdhQ4ngSBz2huAJup_fh6Jrbgxos/edit?usp=sharing
 
The formatting went a bit off when i copy pasted from Word to Google Docs. Also in case someone does not understand the Tube name abbreviations , the tube list with the full names are in my profile.
 
Feb 11, 2015 at 1:25 AM Post #32,712 of 42,298
The Western Electric 422a sound so good but I don't want to run out it tube life.  I don't know if I could ever get another WE 422a.
 
Feb 11, 2015 at 1:34 AM Post #32,713 of 42,298
tonynewman said:
   
 
To answer the question - I have 2 pairs of Psvane T2 CV-181s with well over 300 hours on them. They remain very dry and need careful pairing to avoid harshness. They have great balance, extension and detail, but are as dry as the Simpson Desert in February. Once my buddy Badas put me onto RCA NOS I pulled the Psvanes and haven't put them back in at all - not sure I ever will.
 
 
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My experience with the 181s is similar.  Someone pointed out the 181s needed 300 hours to settle.  I say: if a tube needs me to listen to 300 hours of harshness to get to something good, it's not a very good tube.  
 
I'm back to the brown base Sylvanias.  They're not terribly remarkable in any area, but at least they get out of the way and let the 300B's show through.
 
Feb 11, 2015 at 1:50 AM Post #32,714 of 42,298
kokushu said:
  The Western Electric 422a sound so good but I don't want to run out it tube life.  I don't know if I could ever get another WE 422a.
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I picked up a third WE 421a (NIB), because I can't imagine my amp without one and I want a pair for my future WA2 (when I get around to upgrading
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I was extremely lucky on the pricing for my matched pair... but new listings on eBay have gone completely insane.
 
There is a new listing for a single 422a (used, tested) for $650.00; pairs of WE 300b are being listed as $6,500.00 and $15,000 US (there are multiple listings out of Hong Kong).
 
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