dsnuts you are 100% right about the she3580, they blew all the other buds out the box literally!!!! I have been burning for the past few days my other phones you guys recommended here, and they are getting better but still not 100% there sound wise. these Phillips OMG! straight out the box sound absolutely fantastic, when my other phones color vocals and highs when the bass gets heavy, these do not! not even a little! clear strong bass, clear smooth vocals, clear crispy highs! they do just about everything right for me. i just wish the build was a little nicer, cable is very chintzy. I'm burning now but to tell you the truth I would not mind if they just stay the way they are... dsnuts I can't imagine this getting any better....all this for just 10.00, SWEET!!!!
just wanted to add after more detailed listening these suckers are very high energy, loud with no fatigue to me, I also noticed alot more new textures to the music I know and listen to daily...I just orders 2 more for the hell of it...