The discovery thread!

[Vonbuddy]

I own both the Simgot and the Dauntless. Just one opinion.

 

[ToneDeafMonk]

obtained measurement for SR7

Great! I’ve got all my blind test comments on SR7 pretty spot-on

That bass curve looks so nice excited to get mine. What makes my concened is my incoming P8 bieng bass lean!

 

[DynamicEars]

You sure about M17?

I read “multiple” battery blow up claims on internet that M17’s battery expands and blows the DAP inside out…which I don’t quite see many of those claims on other higher end DAPs. Maybe 320 Max Ti instead?

Yeah have the M17 with me about 2 months, superb detail and raw power. Was thinking to get WM1Am2 before to pair with Z1R but in the end i like the dynamic, tight bass presentation and technicalities of M17.
I'm well aware about batt issue but seems like people are listening / playing the DAP while charging, this is the main issue. There is an option to turn off charging the battery when using external power, seems lot of people didn't paying attention to this.
Well hopefully my battery can last longer.
Really appreciate your concern bro!

 

[AmericanSpirit]

Yeah have the M17 with me about 2 months, superb detail and raw power. Was thinking to get WM1Am2 before to pair with Z1R but in the end i like the dynamic, tight bass presentation and technicalities of M17.
I'm well aware about batt issue but seems like people are listening / playing the DAP while charging, this is the main issue. There is an option to turn off charging the battery when using external power, seems lot of people didn't paying attention to this.
Well hopefully my battery can last longer.
Really appreciate your concern bro!

I see.
There is a strange Audiophile myth, trending that certain group of people believing
“battery powered DAP isn’t powerful enough“ so “even for portable DAP, it needs to be powered by AC with audiophile grade converter” which made me being very curious, “then what’s the whole purpose of making “portable” DAP” instead of making discrete stackable ones.

I see people‘s comments

“when powered by AC, it sounds more powerful“

hmm…? I don’t hear any difference honestly


Well, they are enjoying their hobby, so I don’t directly throw any objections, but I’m not going to take any part of that.

 

[AmericanSpirit]

That bass curve looks so nice excited to get mine. What makes my concened is my incoming P8 bieng bass lean!

I saw around 20-30 P8 impressions on Japanese community, oh boy..that’s fastest selling hot rod…, and some bass enthusiasts do comment they need more bass power, so they started to roll some cables.


To me P8‘s bass is perfectly balanced, P5’s bass is too much for me, and P8’s floor is just right.

 

[DynamicEars]

I see.
There is a strange Audiophile myth, trending that certain group of people believing
“battery powered DAP isn’t powerful enough“ so “even for portable DAP, it needs to be powered by AC with audiophile grade converter” which made me being very curious, “then what’s the whole purpose of making “portable” DAP” instead of making discrete stackable ones.

I see people‘s comments

“when powered by AC, it sounds more powerful“

hmm…? I don’t hear any difference honestly


Well, they are enjoying their hobby, so I don’t directly throw any objections, but I’m not going to take any part of that.

Actually when connected to DC mode, the M17 have "hidden gain" so from 4 gains (low, medium, high, over ear headphone gain) to 5 gains, you can enable it when connected to DC power, that called "Enhanced Over Ear Gain". The raw power is distinguishable, it have great power, it more about the amplification I think, and I think its real. Fiio claimed about have better low end on DC mode, I don't really believe that but the dynamics are real (again because of the amplification effect).
Then there is a linear DC output power that have constant linear 12v DC (M17 is using 12v DC) that people believe have better noise floor, I don't think I chase that last 1% increment in sound and spend another $150 for that.

 

[AmericanSpirit]

Actually when connected to DC mode, the M17 have "hidden gain" so from 4 gains (low, medium, high, over ear headphone gain) to 5 gains, you can enable it when connected to DC power, that called "Enhanced Over Ear Gain". The raw power is distinguishable, it have great power, it more about the amplification I think, and I think its real. Fiio claimed about have better low end on DC mode, I don't really believe that but the dynamics are real (again because of the amplification effect).
Then there is a linear DC output power that have constant linear 12v DC (M17 is using 12v DC) that people believe have better noise floor, I don't think I chase that last 1% increment in sound and spend another $150 for that.

Ah, so there is a DC function mode specifically engineered for M17, now that makes sense.

 

[newworld666]

Ah, so there is a DC function mode specifically engineered for M17, now that makes sense.

Yes ... and sound quality impact is rather evident to catch with some headphones like DCA Stealth. For a good A/B comparison, we can switch easily between modes (DC and Battery with the Fiio M17) and correct the difference of volume level with some profiles under Neutron to avoid some difficulties. The difference is resulting in some catchable better impacts in ultra low frequencies (something below 30hz) and a "feeling" of a bit cleaner lows (between 50 to 150Hz.).

 

[AmericanSpirit]

Looks who finally decided to show up. Some key points from initial listening sessions and some A/B tests:

• W-shape sound signature (boost subbass, mid-midrange, and upper treble, with less emphasis of in-between frequencies). It sounds open, neither thick or thin. Reminiscent of the tuning of some high-end stuffs.
• Tonality is natural. Nothing to complain. I’m still shocked that the tonality works, given the questionable graph with boost around 800Hz.
• Treble extension and treble details are epic.
• Not the widest, but deep and well layered soundstage with excellent holographic illusion due to treble extension.
• Very resolving, both macro (separation) and micro (details). Easily match or exceed my Andromeda in A/B tests.
• Bass is high quality DD. Fast and snappy, but still has a bouncy sensation to it. The quantity it carefully controlled, boosted but not overly done so.

In summary: it sounds like an entry level kilobuck in my first listening session.

Congrats on your shiny!

Very agreeable impression notes

When directly A-B tested against 14BA SR8, the technicality difference of P8 and SR8 is quite evident, so that entry-level kilobuck assessment makes a good sense.

The timbre of P8 is very unique and when compared to higher end ones, there is hard to pull out anything that’s similar, acoustically P8 is a successful science project I believe.


Well maybe one of those Subtonic could have same output but unfortunately I’m not interested in investing $$$$ into those R&D.

 

[awacs7n]

what can be ordered after the audiosense dt 300? will blessing 3 be an upgrade?

 

[FastGecko5]

what can be ordered after the audiosense dt 300? will blessing 3 be an upgrade?

I like my DT600 a lot but it doesn't seem to be available anymore.

What about Aful P8?

 

[awacs7n]

I like my DT600 a lot but it doesn't seem to be available anymore.

What about Aful P8?

i don't know, it sounds like a momentary hype train. I want to go the safe way as I will pay 350 dollars for one.

by the way, I noticed in the signature, why are you selling aq 4? I chose dt 300 between aq 4 and dt 300.

 

[FastGecko5]

i don't know, it sounds like a momentary hype train. I want to go the safe way as I will pay 350 dollars for one.

Could say the same about the B3 I think. Most of the hype for it came from it following in the footsteps of the well-loved B2 Dusk.

by the way, I noticed in the signature, why are you selling aq 4? I chose dt 300 between aq 4 and dt 300.

I like the DT600 more. Owning the AQ4 felt redundant.

 

[AmericanSpirit]

i don't know, it sounds like a momentary hype train. I want to go the safe way as I will pay 350 dollars for one.

by the way, I noticed in the signature, why are you selling aq 4? I chose dt 300 between aq 4 and dt 300.

I’d recommend investing on a DAP may pay better return on investment than going another transducer.

It’s totally your personal take that you feel P8 is “overly reacted“ “backed by monetary motivation “ which I can claim I’m not.

I don’t receive any kick backs, nor compensated by any means.

I can claim this under the penalty of perjury of United States, and I‘m a Notary Public myself, if you believe it or not. I’m telling the truth, the whole truth, nothing but truth.

There are certain group of people who dislike others to praise a particular item, and simply label it as “hype” or “shill”, I don’t understand why you can’t praise a thing that deserves for its performance though.

It’s simple, good thing gets praised, bad thing gets criticized.

 

[lgcubana]

Could say the same about the B3 I think. Most of the hype for it came from it following in the footsteps of the well-loved B2 Dusk.

I like the DT600 more. Owning the AQ4 felt redundant.

From all of the reviews that I’ve read, the Blessing 3 is an evolutionary step from the B2, not the B2 Dusk. Moondrop has confirmed that a B3 Dusk is in the works.