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Jan 25, 2021 at 4:33 PM Post #54,421 of 100,514
will you test Cayin C9?
I had in my head IHA-6 and IDAC-6 since they are out and now idac-6 has an MK2 release with double oputput stage (SS and Tube)
The C9 might take a while to come around in EU so I think maybe not anytime soon (and it costs a lot, plus not the kind of product I'm too fan of). The iDAC mk.2 though seems very interesting and I plan to audition it soon along with the iHA-6.
 
Jan 25, 2021 at 5:07 PM Post #54,422 of 100,514
Let me know if you compare with your..
 
Jan 25, 2021 at 5:24 PM Post #54,423 of 100,514
Brief first impressions with the Faaeal Poppy:
  • The sound signature can probably be characterised as a bass-emphasised V-shape with an early treble roll-off.
  • I really wasn't very impressed with them out of the box. Muddy, wooly, boomy, compressed sounding.
  • Foam tips exacerbated the issues above. Have put the MH750 tips on them for now, as they seem to bring the bass back under control somewhat.
  • Its need for amplification isn't outrageous. It sits between the TD06 (slightly more efficient) and the SSR/SSP (markedly less efficient) in terms of drivability.
  • Male vocals can sound "wrong" because there is copious mid-bass bloat. In After the Rain's Natsuzora to Soumatou, Soraru's voice (which tends to be drier and deeper) is getting lost in the no man's land that is the lower mids. Mafumafu's voice is particularly recessed because his voice is more boyish and thus lands in the even more no man's land that is the lower-to-upper mids transition. I have reduced the bass with EQ, but said vocals can still sound veiled or loose somehow.
  • Female vocals are represented more cleanly because they fall on the right slope of the V.
  • There's not much treble detail here. In Dire Straits' Romeo and Juliet, the drummer is supposed to be striking the cymbals at two locations: close to the stem, and on the rim. All cymbal notes sound the same from the Poppy. It's probably for the best if you are reviewing your own recordings but do not possess any cymbal technique to speak of.
  • The CCA CST is basically the Poppy but with far fewer problems tonally. Unless you have extremely small ears and/or ear canals, just buy the CST instead.
That excessive mid-bass is definitely because of the tuning patch covering the front vent... Don't know why they did that, doesn't do them any good.
 
Jan 25, 2021 at 6:11 PM Post #54,424 of 100,514
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Apps?
Apps? Is it better than the fiio btr5?

Will I even need my jds atom now that we have 2 of these coming from Linsoul?
 

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Jan 25, 2021 at 6:53 PM Post #54,425 of 100,514
Man, these Believes EQ like an absolute champ. My pseudo 1ZR EQ profile makes these sound better. Bigger soundstage, better decay/less smoothed together, and more dynamic.

I'm telling ya, if you have the free program Equalizer APO and the Peace addon, you should give my profile a try. Does it sound like a 1ZR? No idea, but its pretty cool!

Oh hey, look--I figured out how to send the PEQ values, so you can just copy/pasta these, save as .txt and just use Equalizer APO:

Preamp: -7.6 dB
Filter 1: ON PK Fc 26 Hz Gain 5.4 dB Q 0.18
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 38 Hz Gain 2.2 dB Q 1.41
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 63 Hz Gain 0.4 dB Q 1.41
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 100 Hz Gain -2.2 dB Q 1.4
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 1222 Hz Gain 1.6 dB Q 4
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 1576 Hz Gain 4 dB Q 3
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 2251 Hz Gain 2.8 dB Q 3
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 7309 Hz Gain -2.8 dB Q 8
Filter 9: ON PK Fc 8354 Hz Gain 1 dB Q 6
Filter 10: ON PK Fc 10506 Hz Gain -4.2 dB Q 3
Filter 11: ON PK Fc 12555 Hz Gain 4.6 dB Q 4
Filter 14: ON PK Fc 6354 Hz Gain 4 dB Q 1.4
Filter 15: ON PK Fc 4174 Hz Gain 0.6 dB Q 10
Filter 16: ON PK Fc 2831 Hz Gain -5.4 dB Q 2
Filter 17: ON PK Fc 3652 Hz Gain 3 dB Q 6
Filter 18: ON PK Fc 293 Hz Gain -2 dB Q 0.5
Filter 20: ON PK Fc 990 Hz Gain 0.6 dB Q 4
Filter 21: ON PK Fc 5283 Hz Gain -3.6 dB Q 5
 
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Jan 25, 2021 at 7:45 PM Post #54,426 of 100,514
Man, these Believes EQ like an absolute champ. My pseudo 1ZR EQ profile makes these sound better. Bigger soundstage, better decay/less smoothed together, and more dynamic.

I'm telling ya, if you have the free program Equalizer APO and the Peace addon, you should give my profile a try. Does it sound like a 1ZR? No idea, but its pretty cool!

Oh hey, look--I figured out how to send the PEQ values, so you can just copy/pasta these, save as .txt and just use Equalizer APO:

Preamp: -7.6 dB
Filter 1: ON PK Fc 26 Hz Gain 5.4 dB Q 0.18
Filter 2: ON PK Fc 38 Hz Gain 2.2 dB Q 1.41
Filter 3: ON PK Fc 63 Hz Gain 0.4 dB Q 1.41
Filter 4: ON PK Fc 100 Hz Gain -2.2 dB Q 1.4
Filter 5: ON PK Fc 1222 Hz Gain 1.6 dB Q 4
Filter 6: ON PK Fc 1576 Hz Gain 4 dB Q 3
Filter 7: ON PK Fc 2251 Hz Gain 2.8 dB Q 3
Filter 8: ON PK Fc 7309 Hz Gain -2.8 dB Q 8
Filter 9: ON PK Fc 8354 Hz Gain 1 dB Q 6
Filter 10: ON PK Fc 10506 Hz Gain -4.2 dB Q 3
Filter 11: ON PK Fc 12555 Hz Gain 4.6 dB Q 4
Filter 14: ON PK Fc 6354 Hz Gain 4 dB Q 1.4
Filter 15: ON PK Fc 4174 Hz Gain 0.6 dB Q 10
Filter 16: ON PK Fc 2831 Hz Gain -5.4 dB Q 2
Filter 17: ON PK Fc 3652 Hz Gain 3 dB Q 6
Filter 18: ON PK Fc 293 Hz Gain -2 dB Q 0.5
Filter 20: ON PK Fc 990 Hz Gain 0.6 dB Q 4
Filter 21: ON PK Fc 5283 Hz Gain -3.6 dB Q 5
Damn, thats a lot of filters. You can probably remove a few of those bass peak filters and just use 2 low shelf filters instead.
 
Jan 25, 2021 at 7:50 PM Post #54,427 of 100,514
Apps? Is it better than the fiio btr5?

Will I even need my jds atom now that we have 2 of these coming from Linsoul?
I prefer DAP over dongles and small amps.😊
 
Jan 25, 2021 at 8:40 PM Post #54,428 of 100,514
That excessive mid-bass is definitely because of the tuning patch covering the front vent... Don't know why they did that, doesn't do them any good.

In your impressions you noted that the Poppy would begin to sound better/more acceptable a few songs in. I've experienced that myself as well... the brain gets acclimatized to the darkness somehow. But then I A/B with my TD06 and realise that both provide a bass-emphasised V-shaped sound signature, but that one accomplishes it without sacrificing near everything else and the other... doesn't. Besides, the bass that the Poppy puts out is very much quantity over quality. It's a shame, because the Poppy otherwise looks excellent and is built well.
 
Jan 25, 2021 at 8:43 PM Post #54,429 of 100,514
In your impressions you noted that the Poppy would begin to sound better/more acceptable a few songs in. I've experienced that myself as well... the brain gets acclimatized to the darkness somehow.
Same impressions... It is, or rather was, as it's in IEM heaven now, my first ever audio gear in the dark-sounding territory.

Besides, the bass that the Poppy puts out is very much quantity over quality. It's a shame, because the Poppy otherwise looks excellent and is built well.
That was why I got curious with the front vent and if there was something blocking it. Turned out I was right. If you're confident that you can remove the patch without damaging the voice coils, it turns into something entirely different. Poking it and moving the patch inside the shell should be enough to remove obstruction and significantly decrease bass quantity. I, however, didn't like that something was left (tuning patch/es) inside the IEM and so I tried to get it out from the nozzle. A few dumb mistakes here and there, and I damaged the voice coil. I did get them out though.

But for the 6 USD I bought them, I can't complain as I got a wonderful package of tips and case with them. I'd also be reusing the cable for a recable project (MX500).
 
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Jan 25, 2021 at 9:54 PM Post #54,430 of 100,514
Damnit @RikudouGoku you just had to mention dap. Now my mom wants, and we were offered an amazing deal but have one question. To drive our best iems, ( Volt, dt3 Terminator, Blessing2, Fan, Seeaudio Yume, and Shanling ae3) which would be a better fit between the Shanling m6 and Hiby r6 Pro assuming they were the same price?
 
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Jan 25, 2021 at 10:01 PM Post #54,431 of 100,514
Damn, thats a lot of filters. You can probably remove a few of those bass peak filters and just use 2 low shelf filters instead.

So I'm trying to make the actual frequency curves match. To do so, I need to fine tune Q-values and lots of points. Its like trying to draw bezier curves without an actual tool like Illustrator. Honestly, someone needs to make an EQ that has a bezier curve tool to manipulate ala Illustrator, would make this 10x as fast.
 
Jan 25, 2021 at 10:17 PM Post #54,432 of 100,514
Damnit @RikudouGoku you just had to mention dap. Now my mom wants, and we were offered an amazing deal but have one question. To drive our best iems, ( Volt, dt3 Terminator, Blessing2, Fan, Seeaudio Yume, and Shanling ae3) which would be a better fit between the Shanling m6 and Hiby r6 Pro assuming they were the same price?
😄I also mentioned dap, any budget in mind?
 

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