G3org3
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Will the e9 work I seen MLE say the e9 does nothing for the q701 ? I'm not sure what to get everyone says different things
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...or the E17 so I can use that with my iPhone as well).
E9 has an output impedance more than 10x higher than the Magni or O2.
Just pointing out again, the E17 does work as an amp for the iPhone, but you can't directly connect the iPhone to use the E17's DAC without extra accessories (a camera kit adapter, and a USB hub, there's a how-to thread on Head-Fi but it's not a function officially supported by Apple or FiiO).
Hope I didn't info overload on you. If you do end up getting a SoundMagic, tell is your impressions! It can be a fun community here.
True, but that's only because the E09k or older E9 have (just) 10 ohms output impedance. I don't know about new models, but all the iPod classics, for example, have a 10 ohm output impedance too. The E9 is powerful enough, kind of a warm-ish amp and a bit less transparent than other options, whether it enhances what is great about the Q701 (or evens out weaknesses) is up to personal taste and what you're looking for. I would recommend a tube amp like the Schiit Vali, but that's because I like the sense of soundstage and texture/impact I hear in tubes (that aren't too warm).
AKG headphones, like G3org3's, have a linear impedance response, so output impedance has a negligible effect.
Sennheisers (like the one NwAvGuy tested and then assumed all other headphones were like) aren't linear, and the bass gets boosted (sometimes to the point where it bloats) and so does high treble, kinda like a rough EQ setting. Some people like that kind of sound (that's what Bose's "better sound through research" lead them to aim their house sound to be like, warm and a bit boomy), but in any case it's not the death knell that NwAvGuy makes it out to be and the myth that grew up around that assumption. Most people who say "you need 8x impedance dampening" can't even say WHAT HAPPENS and why... but don't take my word for it, try doing some research into it
That helps explains why AKGs and Senns tend to react so differently to amplification, seems there is a big misconception about amplification among many people. I noticed AKGs and other headphones I have tried just don't seem to care much about output impedance. I've read that with the K601/K612 for example that the best output impedance is actually 120 ohms for them.
**The best way to know is to try it yourself
120 ohms was kind of a historical thing, I have research notes about it that I can't fully recall off the top of my head. Many old receivers had 120 ohm output impedance (or more), still sound fine. The science can help cut through snake oil and myths, but you don't want to get TOO obsessed because it'll get in the way of enjoying the music or the awesome crack of the Battle Rifle in the Halo 2 Anniversary videos.
Headroom and Inner Fidelity make a lot of measurements and graphs for individual headphones, the best way to check to see if a headphone will react to output impedance is to check the impedance response graphs. The flatter the graph, the less measurable effect on different frequencies. I was surprised how many headphone brands/models are also pretty linear! Usually flaws are due to other reasons, if we don't know what low ohm dampening does then it's easy to scapegoat it and miss out on fine products that HAPPEN to have some output impedance.
I prefer tubes for the same reasons, there is a roundness and texture to the sound, as well as better impact(on the good tubes/amps), and just a better sense of soundstage(more 3D) and imaging. They just sound more organic and real to me. Can't wait to when I get the Project Ember in a couple months.
**The best way to know is to try it yourself
120 ohms was kind of a historical thing, I have research notes about it that I can't fully recall off the top of my head. Many old receivers had 120 ohm output impedance (or more), still sound fine. The science can help cut through snake oil and myths, but you don't want to get TOO obsessed because it'll get in the way of enjoying the music or the awesome crack of the Battle Rifle in the Halo 2 Anniversary videos.
Headroom and Inner Fidelity make a lot of measurements and graphs for individual headphones, the best way to check to see if a headphone will react to output impedance is to check the impedance response graphs. The flatter the graph, the less measurable effect on different frequencies. I was surprised how many headphone brands/models are also pretty linear! Usually flaws are due to other reasons, if we don't know what low ohm dampening does then it's easy to scapegoat it and miss out on fine products that HAPPEN to have some output impedance.
OOOH, if I didn't have my current amp I'd be all over that Amber! As it is, my next upgrade would be a Woo Audio fireflies or something, but at present I don't have an upgrade bug
DT880's should arrive tomorrow... Probably will be more of a sidegrade to broaden my perspective and collection.
For those interested in Soundmagic HP100 there is one in the classifieds for $125
http://www.head-fi.org/t/725985/soundmagic-hp100
For those interested in Soundmagic HP100 there is one in the classifieds for $125
http://www.head-fi.org/t/725985/soundmagic-hp100
^sometimes low-priced items (especially if you're used to higher costs) can blow you away with their value.
Kman1211,
One of the reasons I like tube amps is how much the tube is the heart of how good the amp sounds, and you can change or upgrade the sound with the right tube. All this talk is making me wanna put my Sylvania tube back in and play some CoD4, for nostalgia (and wrecking!) sake.
PS, do you have a PS4, and beta code for Destiny?
For those interested in Soundmagic HP100 there is one in the classifieds for $125
http://www.head-fi.org/t/725985/soundmagic-hp100
Yep, I PMed him yesterday
Hopefully I will be able to buy these headphones from him!
Will the e9 work I seen MLE say the e9 does nothing for the q701 ? I'm not sure what to get everyone says different things
Cons:
- 10 ohm output impedance. Most headphones with less than 80ohm may have an altered sound signature due to not enough damping. Some exceptions are Planars and the Q701/K701 which aren't affected. However, you may want to look at another external amp if you plan on using low ohm headphones
So I decided to go for the schiit vali amp for my q701s does the vali come with the cable to connect to the mixamp or do I need to buy that separate ? And if so what's the cable called ?