Grazel
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First off, sorry for the late response. In terms of amps, I'm pretty locked in on it being desktop-oriented. I'll be using the headphones+amp to listen to music on my computer(primarily iTunes at the moment but hopefully this upgrade will get me to branch out).
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I immensely appreciate your thorough response. On the first point I have to say, you make some really interesting arguments for and against the AKGs. In regards to the contrast between Sennheiser's having a more lush/warm sound and AKG a more cold/analytical, I can't help but find myself torn. On one hand, I follow the mindframe of wanting to go out and try something completely different but, on the other hand I also love the Sennheiser sound and I'm worried that the AKGs may be too drastic of a change. As a little back-story, when I got the Sennheisers, I was coming from a $25 pair of sony IEMs that I can't even remember the name of(needless to say, I was blown away hah). Consequently, in making this upgrade from my broken HD 595s, I'm hoping to make an equally large step upwards in "audio bliss", and I'm somewhat worried that the HD 598s or 600s would be a smaller step than the AKGs. Hopefully that makes sense haha.
In regards to the second section, and as a disclaimer in general, I will primarily be using these headphones to listen to music on my computer and then secondarily using them to listen to games/movies on my xbox(I don't have any speakers). That said, do you think it would be better to just invest in a receiver? As it seems that, from what I've seen, amps/dacs in my price-range do not allow for easy-switching between audio-channels(if that makes sense). It's a decent factor for me and I'm wondering if there are any amps/dacs that can do something like that or if that's not what they're made for.
On a semi-tangent, the difference between listening to music through my receiver and straight-through the headphone jack in my computer tower is substantially noticeable to even me. So what I'm wondering is, was my receiver acting as an amplifier, a dac, or both? I know for a fact that the soundcard on my pc is old and vanilla so I need to know which option is can "override" the badness that is my soundcard and then give me the best sound possible for the money.
Thanks again for all the response guys, they're very much appreciated and I'd love to hear anyone else's thoughts on the AKGs vs the Sennheisers. Cheers
The Senn HD 558 & 598 and AKG Q 701 are three excellent cans and great buys at their current pricing. In many ways the AKG is the opposite of the slightly vieled but smooth as very good whiskey Senns. The AKG will allow you to hear every musical voice and (as part of that) have a larger sound stage. the Senn HD 5x8 series has improved on the old HD 5x5 series that you have.
We need to know if you are looking for a desktop or portable amp. I can help with the former but not so much with regard to a portable.
First off, sorry for the late response. In terms of amps, I'm pretty locked in on it being desktop-oriented. I'll be using the headphones+amp to listen to music on my computer(primarily iTunes at the moment but hopefully this upgrade will get me to branch out).
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1) K702 are technically better headphones than the HD595, when amped properly they will give you slightly better resolution, detail, better extension in both directions, better build quality,a bigger soundstage and they will simply sound like the more expensive headphone. However, their sound signatures are complete opposite. Whereas the HD595 is pretty warm with great full sounding mids and overall "thick" sound, K702 are somewhat bright and cold, very fast, analytical and light on bass. That is good for studio monitoring, BUT, for someone like you who is used to the Sennheiser sound, they might sound too thin and people often consider such analytical headphones to be boring. I agree, AKG's never made me feel the music, Sennheisers always did. Not to mention K702's chew and spit out any music recording that is not absolutely perfect. Forget about low quality mp3's, they will sounds like crap on K702's. Not that HD595's is totally veiled, but its not as transparent as the 702. You'd have to try one on your own too see if you like it. If I were you I'd go for HD598 or HD600's instead depending on your headphone budget. They will both be a natural upgrade to the sound you're used to. Both will offer better resolution, detail, soundstage, imaging than HD595's. But of course I understand you probably have the urge to try everything, its normal, maybe you should buy something totally different like the K702 just to try it and see if you like it. Some people love bright thin sound with little weight to it.
For pure music enjoyment, I personally can't recommend the K702 and would consider it a downgrade compared to HD595. I don't know how to describe it, but to me its like an analogy between a raw photo and a painting or enchanced photo. A raw photograph will give you better clarity, but it will never be as beautiful as a painting or a nicely blurred or modified photo. You know on your own that in order to make pictures, or even movies more beautiful, they're usually artistically modified, they will look less natural, less clear, etc., but be more beautiful.
AKG is a photo, Sennheiser is a painting. Its not as dramatic when it comes to headphones, but you get the point, clearer and more detailed is not always more enjoyable and more beautiful.
2) A headphone amp just amplifies the signal that goes from the source. The better the amp, the less it will change the signal and better power the headphones allowing them to sounds as good as they possibly can. DAC is a digital to analog converter, basically a source of signals that travel towards the amp. You can find them in many forms, in hi-fi terms most significant are the standalone DAC's (portable or desktop), soundcards, but they come integrated into other devices (usually lower quality) that produce sound such as PC motherboards, laptops, smartphones, media players, bluray, dvd players, TV's, monitor controllers, gaming consoles, etc. All stereo receivers,AV receivers, CD or SACD players, as well as some integrated speaker amps have DAC's built in, although usually not of the same quality (but still very good, we're talking about dedicated audio gear after all) as standalone DAC's that you can get for the price of those receivers or amp. These integrated ones are good enough for headphones of HD595 / K702 caliber. However, they will not be quite on the same level as the standalone DAC's, which cost more money, but offer slightly better sound. On the other hand receivers and speaker amps with DAC's give you significantly better value for money. For 300-400$ you can get a decent receiver that will not sound considerably worse than a standalone DAC. Usually when people have receivers or cd players, they dont really need a separate DAC, as the improvement in sound quality will not be significant. However if your source is a PC, laptop, or any device with a low quality DAC, you'd need a separate one so you don't bottleneck your setup and limit other components you're using.
In your case if your budget is 200$ for amp and DAC, then I'd advise to stay away from K702 as you will not power them to their full potential for that money. Rather get a HD598, it will be more familiar to you, yet improved over the 595 in every way, most people prefer it for music listening over the AKG's anyway. And for the 200$ you can get a decent DAC/amp combo, together with HD598's it will sound better than K702's would with the same components. For 250$ (if you save some money by not buying the more expensive 702's) you can get something like O2 amp and DAC, and that will sound absolutely wonderful with HD598's.
I immensely appreciate your thorough response. On the first point I have to say, you make some really interesting arguments for and against the AKGs. In regards to the contrast between Sennheiser's having a more lush/warm sound and AKG a more cold/analytical, I can't help but find myself torn. On one hand, I follow the mindframe of wanting to go out and try something completely different but, on the other hand I also love the Sennheiser sound and I'm worried that the AKGs may be too drastic of a change. As a little back-story, when I got the Sennheisers, I was coming from a $25 pair of sony IEMs that I can't even remember the name of(needless to say, I was blown away hah). Consequently, in making this upgrade from my broken HD 595s, I'm hoping to make an equally large step upwards in "audio bliss", and I'm somewhat worried that the HD 598s or 600s would be a smaller step than the AKGs. Hopefully that makes sense haha.
In regards to the second section, and as a disclaimer in general, I will primarily be using these headphones to listen to music on my computer and then secondarily using them to listen to games/movies on my xbox(I don't have any speakers). That said, do you think it would be better to just invest in a receiver? As it seems that, from what I've seen, amps/dacs in my price-range do not allow for easy-switching between audio-channels(if that makes sense). It's a decent factor for me and I'm wondering if there are any amps/dacs that can do something like that or if that's not what they're made for.
On a semi-tangent, the difference between listening to music through my receiver and straight-through the headphone jack in my computer tower is substantially noticeable to even me. So what I'm wondering is, was my receiver acting as an amplifier, a dac, or both? I know for a fact that the soundcard on my pc is old and vanilla so I need to know which option is can "override" the badness that is my soundcard and then give me the best sound possible for the money.
Thanks again for all the response guys, they're very much appreciated and I'd love to hear anyone else's thoughts on the AKGs vs the Sennheisers. Cheers