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[HDMan]

 
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It is not designed for home theater.  It has the flexibility to do multi channel.  There's no reason it can't be used for 2 channel.  The Realiser isn't as straightforward as most stuff around here but so many of you keep twisting the facts on what it is and how it does what it does.

 
It is not designed for home theatre?
 
IT IS DESIGNED FOR HOME THEATRE.
 
I have calibrated the Realiser with 2 speakers worth more than a house (Acapella Excalibur Spharon), out of those 2 speakers i created 8 speaker surround sound. I also have the Crowson Tactile Transducer for subwoofer response down to 20hz. Let me tell you, it flaws any home theatre I have ever herd.
 
To get back on track, and this is without even using Stax headphones yet, which the realiser is designed for. I am currently still only using AD700 (heavily modified).
 
I have to say that 2 channel music just doesn't give you the same out of head experience as Bluray movies, although I don't have expensive SACD players etc.

 

[blubliss]

 
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I have to say that 2 channel music just doesn't give you the same out of head experience as Bluray movies, although I don't have expensive SACD players etc.

 
Wow, now misinformation from someone who owns one, weird.  I think you chose your words wrong.  Maybe you don't like the 2-channel presentation?
 
I have a 2-channel room measured and it sounds like that room.  It is most definitely "out of your head".
 
Pretty sure the thing was designed primarily for recording professionals so they could take their studio anywhere and continue to mix.  Home Theater is another use.

 

[BoogieWoogie]

 
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Wow, now misinformation from someone who owns one, weird.  I think you chose your words wrong.  Maybe you don't like the 2-channel presentation?
 
I have a 2-channel room measured and it sounds like that room.  It is most definitely "out of your head".
 
Pretty sure the thing was designed primarily for recording professionals so they could take their studio anywhere and continue to mix.  Home Theater is another use.

 
Yeah that was a odd one.. Maybe its his headphone limitation ?

 

[DaveBSC]

 
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Originally Posted by n3rdling /img/forum/go_quote.gif
 
It could have literally the same circuitry but be limited to 2 channel simulation only and a group of you would take this to mean that it is some audiophile voodoo box aimed at high end 2 channel users.
 
As for the conversions, I'm sure Smyth took any added colorations these might have brought about and compensated in the end since the whole thing is essentially about compensation.  It wouldn't be difficult for them to do this since it's DSP based.  

 
That's literally what I want - the same circuitry but designed for the high-end two channel market. That basically means strip out the unnecessary converters and give me BNC and/or RCA jacks for S/Pdif in/out so that the Realiser can be used with any server or transport and DAC combo on the market. The HDMI version already has the ability to do straight PCM in to out without any analog conversion, it's just the connectors are wrong.

 

[HDMan]

 
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Yeah that was a odd one.. Maybe its his headphone limitation ?

 
Take it with a grain of salt, this is my own personal findings. I use the Realiser for 100% Bluray movies and music was only for testing and I don't have any high quality music.
 
Yeh the headphones are definitely not doing it justice.

 

[BoogieWoogie]

 
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Take it with a grain of salt, this is my own personal findings. I use the Realiser for 100% Bluray movies and music was only for testing and I don't have any high quality music.
 
Yeh the headphones are definitely not doing it justice.

I take it with a truck full of salt, I have tried the thing with stax and it mimics the sound from the speakers in said room almost,if not,  to perfection. No such thing as in your head.

 

[HDMan]

 
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I take it with a truck full of salt, I have tried the thing with stax and it mimics the sound from the speakers in said room almost,if not,  to perfection. No such thing as in your head.

 
The 2 channel representation is there, but not to the same degree as with multi channel. I think this is due to the mastering of music compared with how movies are produced more than anything else. Lorr and his team were involved with DTS for a number of years, this may have something to do with the way it reproduces movies. In my opinion, DTS-MA sounds much better than Dolby TrueHD, for what ever reason.

 

[n3rdling]

 
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It is not designed for home theatre?
 
IT IS DESIGNED FOR HOME THEATRE.
 
I have calibrated the Realiser with 2 speakers worth more than a house (Acapella Excalibur Spharon), out of those 2 speakers i created 8 speaker surround sound. I also have the Crowson Tactile Transducer for subwoofer response down to 20hz. Let me tell you, it flaws any home theatre I have ever herd.
 
To get back on track, and this is without even using Stax headphones yet, which the realiser is designed for. I am currently still only using AD700 (heavily modified).
 
I have to say that 2 channel music just doesn't give you the same out of head experience as Bluray movies, although I don't have expensive SACD players etc.

 
No it's not.  You're wrong.  Like always.
 
You can use it for home theater, or for high end two channel music playback, or for studio work, or for playing games, or for watching youtube, or for using Skype if you want, but it's important to note that these are all different uses of the system rather than the system designed for a specific use.  Big difference there.
 

 

[TruBrew]

Lots of crazy talk going around I see. I use the Realiser for both stereo and surround, and it works identically for both. It would be illogical to think it somehow would not. 
 
Maybe they should add a second digital input to apease those who are under the impression that HDMI is not perfectly capable of transporting stereo PCM.

 

[blubliss]

 
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I use the Realiser for both stereo and surround, and it works identically for both. It would be illogical to think it somehow would not. 
 

 
^^This
 

 

[HDMan]

 
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Lots of crazy talk going around I see. I use the Realiser for both stereo and surround, and it works identically for both. It would be illogical to think it somehow would not. 

 
 
I agree, that when playing the Realiser test tone, the sound is identical. BUT in my experience music, the way it is recorded and the way Bluray is mastered result in differrent effects with the Realiser.

 

[arnaud]

I would also be happy to see something that takes 2 channel audio (including high res), does the HRTF filtering without downsampling to 24/48, and exports to rca spdif. No head tracking, instead putting the money into the quality of the mics used for PRIR. There's no guarantee this will make any difference to the current version as far as 2.0 virtualization, but I could imagine they sell to more headphone users if price can be reduced.

 

[BoogieWoogie]

 
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The 2 channel representation is there, but not to the same degree as with multi channel. I think this is due to the mastering of music compared with how movies are produced more than anything else. Lorr and his team were involved with DTS for a number of years, this may have something to do with the way it reproduces movies. In my opinion, DTS-MA sounds much better than Dolby TrueHD, for what ever reason.

 
Get some staxs.

 

[Magick Man]

spritzer its seems you always finding some fault with Woo audio products. However regardless of your fact finding mission I have a WEE and it works quite well with the right amp. Magick Man if you like the sound of the Cary I would say it will sound fantastic with the Woo Electrostatic Exciter.

Enjoy music!

Well, been listening tonight and i have to say I do like it. It sounds like my SLI-80 is driving my 007s directly. Perhaps a very slight loss of detail compared to the SRM-717, but I expected that. It's worth it to get that lush Cary sound. I'll do more listening, but I think it'll be great to have SS and tube options for these amazing cans.

 

[Il Mostro]

 
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Well, been listening tonight and i have to say I do like it. It sounds like my SLI-80 is driving my 007s directly. Perhaps a very slight loss of detail compared to the SRM-717, but I expected that. It's worth it to get that lush Cary sound. I'll do more listening, but I think it'll be great to have SS and tube options for these amazing cans.

 
  Your Cary is a sweet little integrated -- I love me some KT88's.