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Apr 28, 2009 at 5:32 AM Post #10,681 of 24,807
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Not to me, not excessive, but you really want pro bias for the L Pro and don't need a gamma.


I forgot to mention that it is Pro bias. Also comes with original boxes and manual and looks to be in very good condition. I'm not considering buying it since I'm clean out and I want an SRM-1 anyway, but it seemed interesting. Gamma's don't seem to pop up that much.

The Lambda Pro's arrived today as well
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I had a chance to look them over and try them on for a bit (very comfy!) before they were whisked away
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I noticed that there was no foam behind or in front of the drivers. Does this matter? Will it make much of a difference to the sound?
 
Apr 28, 2009 at 5:58 AM Post #10,682 of 24,807
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Let me start by saying that both headphones are similar in presentation: fast, detailed, open and with a somewhat bright nature.

The most important difference for me is that the HE60 sounds more real and thus more engaging. Especially voices touch me more when I'm using the HE60. It's the timbre that feels/sounds natural to me. Not only voices, but instruments too. Its PRaT is also better, probably due to the fast and tight bass. Overall I describe the HE60 as very fast, catchy, bouncy while at the same time very real, engaging and intimate.

The Lambda Signature has a little bit different of a presentation of voices and instruments. In comparison it feels as if the Lambda Signature has a little dip somewhere in the midrange. Maybe it actually is the more neutral of the two and the HE60 has a boost, who knows. Furthermore, it sounds a bit 'hollow' in comparison. Voices are a bit farther away. I have no clue where this comes from, but that in combination with the dip in the midrange makes it the less engaging 'phone of the two, although it still does very well in that aspect. It's all relative.
It does have more bass (but still quite precise and controlled) than the HE60, with the result that the music sounds fuller. For some genres this is very important. Blues for instance, is better represented by the Lambda Signature, because it needs a solid bassline. I never listen to jazz, but I suspect it's the same. For classical it can be a great thing as well, although the HE60 still wins here because of the better timbre of the wind and the strings.

Both have a good soundstage, albeit different from each other. The HE60 has an airy, transparent quality to it, but the total soundstage of the Lambda Signature is larger and more convincing.
Their highs are in both cases prominent. I think the HE60 has a greater emphasis in the highs that the Lambda Signature, but the Signature can sting more. This is probably what is generally referred to as the 'etch'. The HE60 can have this too, but higher up I think. Right now I'm at my parents' so I don't have my CDP nor my SRM-T1/Lambda Signature here, only the HEV70/HE60. I'm using the PC, with an M-Audio Delta 2496 and crappy wire. Interestingly, there is no sting in the highs whatsoever while the smoothness remains, and the bass seems somewhat fuller. That shows what a difference the source can make.

Now, which one do I find more fun? The HE60, absolutely. It has more PRaT and a more engaging midrange, which does it for me. It sounds so divinely precise! The funny thing is, I actually think that a big part of this is the light, but fast and tight bass. At first you think you will miss some of the bass you're used to from the Lambda Signature, but you won't, you adapt quickly. For me, this does not work the other way around when it comes to the midrange. Conclusion: I use the HE60 way more, but the Lambda Signature is a great second/backup 'phone.

You said something about one being better from a technical point of view. Well, I do feel that Staxen are more reliable for sure. Stax stuff feels solid and acts solid too. Both my HEV70 and my HE60 have been back to Sennheiser because of problems: the first time because the HEV70 developed a nasty hum and something was loose on the inside of the HE60. The second time (very recently) the HE60 had a slight channel imbalance that luckily was easily fixed (no new drivers or something necessary). Apparently something was loose again. The best part of the story is that everything was fixed under warranty, else it would have been pretty expensive. It also gave me a chance to listen to the Lambda Signature for a few weeks on its own.



Agreed on most areas of your comparison, except I think the HE60 have a more believable soundstage - occasionally the sound would seem to come from the drivers with the Lambda SIgnature, but never hear that with the HE60. The Lambda Signature's mids were not present enough, and the "etch" was worse than with my SR-Lambda, so I sold the Sigs because I was using the HE60 a lot more. Eventually I sold the ESP950 because they were being neglected too. This is with me using them all on a Woo GES. I don't even have the HEV70 hooked up anymore. I did spend close to $500 having my drivers replaced, and at the same time a new wallwart for the HEV70 and new earpads and headband pads, because it was just last summer and the warrantee is expired. I rotate through the HE60, O2 and Jade depending on my mood, and feel like I need to keep all three. So most of my dynamic headphones are neglected now except for my Westone ES3X custom IEM and K1000.
 
Apr 28, 2009 at 7:10 AM Post #10,683 of 24,807
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that Lambda-pro/SRM1mK2 set on 3bay is currently at $750 and the auction is not over yet!
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is that a push/pull model?



Aren't they all?

The new Stax prices aren't dropping and the better old Staxen (actually pretty much all of them) are in consequence also not going down. Some models such as the SRM1Mk2 amp, Sigma and Lambda Signature phones are hot items and much in demand. Since Stax doesn't make any kind of Sigma or transformer anymore, these are getting pretty rare and starting to get museum prices. I expect prices to keep going up, at least for working units.

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$750? JESUS!

I payed $200 for the Lambda Pro's and I don't expect to pay anything more than another $200 for the SRM-1/MK2. I hope there isn't a sudden price rise!


Someone on Trademe (a local but very popular auction site) is wanting $305 for an SR-Gamma and SRD-7. Cheap?



Good luck getting the SRM1Mk2 for US$200. You might get the older version which alas doesn't have a pro output, just 2 low bias outputs. Most of these model amps have a low bias and pro outlet. The last made just had 2 pro outs. As I noted earlier you might get a SRDX type amp for this price and just possibly a pro SRD-7 although these, like the Sigmas are pretty scarce. you also sometimes find the small SRM252 and its earlier versions SRMx and the like. These have pro output but were usually sold with a headphone.
 
Apr 28, 2009 at 10:03 AM Post #10,684 of 24,807
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I did spend close to $500 having my drivers replaced, and at the same time a new wallwart for the HEV70 and new earpads and headband pads, because it was just last summer and the warrantee is expired.


Can you explain that a bit better? Was something wrong with your drivers?

When I got my set, an extra set of earpads was included, but I haven't used it yet because they replaced them at Sennheiser the first time I sent the set in, free of charge. This has been over a year ago and the pads are still in perfect shape, as is the headband, that has never been replaced yet. My HE60 gets very much use, so the flaking issues are not as bad as I thought they would be.
 
Apr 28, 2009 at 10:53 AM Post #10,685 of 24,807
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O2 Mk1 is much better than the SR-404. I had the 404 for two years and eventually started hating it because of its massive upper midrange emphasis. It turned me off electrostatics in general for about a year, and it wasn't until the O2 Mk1 that I really got back into 'stats. So I wouldn't recommend the 404 unless you've heard it and you're fine with its particular coloration.

In fact it traumatized me so much that I can't stand that coloration in other headphones, and really don't like the O2 Mk2 for that very reason.

The 717 should be a better match for the O2 than the GES thanks to its higher output power, so I'd say go with that.

You will want as good a source as you can get your hands on though, since the O2 is revealing on a completely different level.

Not sure about the 404LE but it will have to do a lot to do away with that upper midrange peak.



I completely agree! The 717 is hard to beat on the O2mk1. You would have to spend big money to better it.
 
Apr 28, 2009 at 1:27 PM Post #10,686 of 24,807
The 717 is indeed the budget holy grail and many of the far more expensive amps have far worse specs. Right now I'm comparing it against this:



It's my take on the Egmont circuit with much better tubes for the job (2*ECC99's and 4*6S4A's) and the old KGSS power supply design running at +/-350v (compared to the voltage doubler in the Rudistor designs
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). In short, the 717 does everything better (the midrange has a real presence with the SR-007, bass is layered and controlled plus the top extended and grain free) but the Egmont was cheaper to build then what the 717 costs used. I'm going to add some feedback to the circuit so we'll see if that brings them closer together.
 
Apr 28, 2009 at 4:04 PM Post #10,687 of 24,807
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Someone on Trademe (a local but very popular auction site) is wanting $305 for an SR-Gamma and SRD-7. Cheap?


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Originally Posted by fraseyboy /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I forgot to mention that it is Pro bias. Also comes with original boxes and manual and looks to be in very good condition. I'm not considering buying it since I'm clean out and I want an SRM-1 anyway, but it seemed interesting. Gamma's don't seem to pop up that much.


You definitely should pick it up, as long as its the SR-Gamma Pro and SRD-7 Pro (or MK2).
Cause the SRD-7 Pro alone usually sell for the same as this system...
 
Apr 28, 2009 at 4:16 PM Post #10,688 of 24,807
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In short, the 717 does everything better (the midrange has a real presence with the SR-007, bass is layered and controlled plus the top extended and grain free)


Heh, maybe that's why I feel that the mid range is more than decent on the Lambda Sigs. When its driven by the 717, there's no mid range suckout on my end for sure.
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Its really a wonderful amp. I *heart* the 717.
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Apr 28, 2009 at 4:22 PM Post #10,689 of 24,807
I am very much looking forward to the diy electrostat amp under testing to fill in the need for a reasonable, available amp. my normal bias lambda's would like some more options.
 
Apr 28, 2009 at 5:22 PM Post #10,690 of 24,807
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I did spend close to $500 having my drivers replaced, and at the same time a new wallwart for the HEV70 and new earpads and headband pads, because it was just last summer and the warrantee is expired.Can you explain that a bit better? Was something wrong with your drivers?

When I got my set, an extra set of earpads was included, but I haven't used it yet because they replaced them at Sennheiser the first time I sent the set in, free of charge. This has been over a year ago and the pads are still in perfect shape, as is the headband, that has never been replaced yet. My HE60 gets very much use, so the flaking issues are not as bad as I thought they would be.






When the HE60 arrived to me (used after a cash+trade deal) the right driver would take hours to charge up before the channel imbalance would go away, and repeated charge/discharge cycles did not rectify the situation. And, the HEV70 would not power up with the 220v wallwart via a 110-220 transformer adapter.

So, Sennheiser had me send both in to them and found a bad driver and a bad wallwart. The HE60 was terminated with a stax plug by Rudistor and there was a "stax to senn" adapter with the HEV70 so I could listen to the re-terminated HE60 and Stax headphones with it. They replaced the drivers with a matched pair, and I bought a new wallwart. I already had a spare set of new pads, but they threw in an new installed set of pads for free before sending them back to me. I think the total was like $460 for everything, plus shipping on my FedEx account to them and back. The seller reimbursed me $400 which I greatly appreciated.
 
Apr 28, 2009 at 8:10 PM Post #10,691 of 24,807
Dear fellow Staxians,

I've stumbled over a completely unexpected and rather strange problem with my SR-4070s (recently bought used but in v. good condition). When wearing them and listening to music, as soon as I touch something connected to electric ground (e.g. the case of an amplifier) the sound level decreases by maybe 6 to 9 dB. No other of my Stax phones shows such a behavior. Neither does my HE60. Does touching ground somehow increase the capacitance or load of the phones making them harder to drive? Or could there be a bridge between the stators and the pads
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? Do you 4070 owners experience the same behavior with your phones? Any ideas about the cause/s?

Thanks!
 
Apr 28, 2009 at 8:40 PM Post #10,693 of 24,807
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That's not something that has ever happened to me on any of my electrostatic headphones. You do loose volume on the Lambda drivers when the membrane is pushed around so that could account for the drop in volume.


Sorry, not sure if I got you right. What do you mean with "pushing around": exerting pressure, shaking them or simply moving them around?
 
Apr 28, 2009 at 8:55 PM Post #10,694 of 24,807
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Sorry, not sure if I got you right. What do you mean with "pushing around": exerting pressure, shaking them or simply moving them around?


Could it be that you are electro man the super hero, you just don't know it?
 
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