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In your opinion, is the listening experience (on bass tones) of Legato significantly different from that of Penon Serial or Dunu Vulkan?
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In your opinion, is the listening experience (on bass tones) of Legato significantly different from that of Penon Serial or Dunu Vulkan?
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Speaking of flagships. Tansio Mirai just released their new RGB. I know this thread is more dedicated to budget to midfi offerings but I will tell you what 3K can get you. These IEMs are impressive on so many fronts. On the heels of one of the best IEMs for the money in the Penon Impacts. These things was just released. This 17 driver hybrid is a mash of some of the industries finest BAs and EST drivers. Utilizing 8 EST drivers per side. Ya you read right 8EST Drivers + 9 BAs 4 way crossovers and 5 sound channels.
Specification
Model: RGB
Driver configuration: 17 drivers (4 Sonion open-hole for ultra-low frequency, 4 Knowles for middles frequency, 1 Sonion for high frequency, 8 Sonion electrostatic for ultra- high frequency)
Frequency division design: 4-way crossover, 5 channels
Impedance: 26Ω@1kHz
Sensitivity: 106dBL/mW
Passive noise reduction: 26dB
Frequency response range: 5-80 kHz
Technical application: cavity opening-hole optimized low frequency technology, ultra-fine copper tube optimized low frequency technology, switch tuning technology
Got these last night and these are simply the best BA + EST based IEMs I have ever put into my ears. I was greeted by a sound that immedately impressed. It was as holographic as 17 drivers can produce if you can imagine. Something about the 5 sound holes in the nozzle that really help with the dimensional aspect of the sound. Sound is large wide, deep, spacious with layering that is hard to come by with your traditional high end IEMs, some of the best textures for vocals, intruments, treble and even bass. Bass BAs are some of the best in the indutry using 4 vented acupass Sonion BAs. Not a single note or bass pitch was missing from the sonic display. Texture is BA based but was just fine for the overall presentation. No issues at all..With 17 drivers no room in the tight compact insides for any type of other driver than BAs and ESTs.
Sound is airy, simply dreamy with each vocals and instrument nuanced detailes that just pops into the scope of the sound. The sound seems to have no boarders just you and the music. It is the type of immersion that is possible with these IEMs that was clearly on display using it out of my K9 pro. I have heard plenty of nicely detailed and properly tuned IEMs. But these take that into a completely different realm. I am in the process of burning them in but I have to tell you folks. There is a clear reason why these cost $3K. The tuning on these are immaculate. Some of the best treble I have ever heard on any IEM. I was questioning what is the difference in 8ESTs and 4ESTs?
The treble extention its details both macro and micro and the air associated with the region is among the best I have ever heard on anything. These are the optitome for treble experience for IEMs as far as I am concerned. I know it sounds crazy but there is something to the more is better when it comes to the EST drivers it seems. ESTs seem to be utlized in pairs. 2, more commonly 4 and now for the first time for me anyways. 8. How they stuffed 8ESTs and 9 BAs on top of that in an ergonomic all resin shell is beyond me. How they layed out all them drivers inside to fit all of it and with 5 sound channels to the nozzle is some folks that are dedicated to the craft is my point. Work of art just looking at it.
Then there is the full on mids portrayed by 4 high end Knowles BAs. If you guys have heard IEMs with dedicated 4BAs for the mids than you might get a good idea of what I am talking about but these also have some of the best vocals and instrument separation due to a crazy amount of layering for its sound. There is not a single note that goes missing from its display and all of it in a very dimensional open space. Sound is extremely musical and no way sterile or anaytical. The sound is fully 3D no other way to describe how good the mids sounds from these.
Lastly the bass is done with 4 vented acupass BAs that are some of the best the industry has to offer. Doing one better the RGB incorporates tuning switches that actually works. A flick of the bass switch yeilds 3dbs of bass increase especially for its subbass. I just leave the switch on as it is perfect for hip hop and even EDM.
I know there is no such thing as one IEM to rule them all but in this case. Ya. These have stunning absolutely stunning treble articulation, air and extension. Crazy fullbodied holographic mids and some richly detailed very capable bass with solid impact and rumble for BAs the best I have heard. Add a big holographic sound presentation and one of the best balanced tunings and you get the RGB. This one was a complete surprise to me in the best possible way. I know a lot of you guys question these kilobuck IEMs. Are they worth it?
When they sound this nice and outdoes practically every IEM I have ever heard. Ya.. These are simply some of the best sounding IEMs that exists. It has to be.
Graph courtsy of our good buddy tgx.
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Speaking of flagships. Tansio Mirai just released their new RGB. I know this thread is more dedicated to budget to midfi offerings but I will tell you what 3K can get you. These IEMs are impressive on so many fronts. On the heels of one of the best IEMs for the money in the Penon Impacts. These things was just released. This 17 driver hybrid is a mash of some of the industries finest BAs and EST drivers. Utilizing 8 EST drivers per side. Ya you read right 8EST Drivers + 9 BAs 4 way crossovers and 5 sound channels.
Specification
Model: RGB
Driver configuration: 17 drivers (4 Sonion open-hole for ultra-low frequency, 4 Knowles for middles frequency, 1 Sonion for high frequency, 8 Sonion electrostatic for ultra- high frequency)
Frequency division design: 4-way crossover, 5 channels
Impedance: 26Ω@1kHz
Sensitivity: 106dBL/mW
Passive noise reduction: 26dB
Frequency response range: 5-80 kHz
Technical application: cavity opening-hole optimized low frequency technology, ultra-fine copper tube optimized low frequency technology, switch tuning technology
Got these last night and these are simply the best BA + EST based IEMs I have ever put into my ears. I was greeted by a sound that immedately impressed. It was as holographic as 17 drivers can produce if you can imagine. Something about the 5 sound holes in the nozzle that really help with the dimensional aspect of the sound. Sound is large wide, deep, spacious with layering that is hard to come by with your traditional high end IEMs, some of the best textures for vocals, intruments, treble and even bass. Bass BAs are some of the best in the indutry using 4 vented acupass Sonion BAs. Not a single note or bass pitch was missing from the sonic display. Texture is BA based but was just fine for the overall presentation. No issues at all..With 17 drivers no room in the tight compact insides for any type of other driver than BAs and ESTs.
Sound is airy, simply dreamy with each vocals and instrument nuanced detailes that just pops into the scope of the sound. The sound seems to have no boarders just you and the music. It is the type of immersion that is possible with these IEMs that was clearly on display using it out of my K9 pro. I have heard plenty of nicely detailed and properly tuned IEMs. But these take that into a completely different realm. I am in the process of burning them in but I have to tell you folks. There is a clear reason why these cost $3K. The tuning on these are immaculate. Some of the best treble I have ever heard on any IEM. I was questioning what is the difference in 8ESTs and 4ESTs?
The treble extention its details both macro and micro and the air associated with the region is among the best I have ever heard on anything. These are the optitome for treble experience for IEMs as far as I am concerned. I know it sounds crazy but there is something to the more is better when it comes to the EST drivers it seems. ESTs seem to be utlized in pairs. 2, more commonly 4 and now for the first time for me anyways. 8. How they stuffed 8ESTs and 9 BAs on top of that in an ergonomic all resin shell is beyond me. How you lay out all those drivers for none of them
Then there is the full on mids portrayed by 4 high end Knowles BAs. If you guys have heard IEMs with dedicated 4BAs than you might get a good idea of what I am talking about but these also have some of the best vocals and instrument separation due to a crazy amount of layering for its sound. There is not a single note that goes missing from its display. Sound is extremely musical and no way sterile or anaytical. The sound is fully 3D no other way to describe how good the mids sounds from these.
Lastly the bass is done with 4 vented acupass BAs that are some of the best the industry has to offer. Doing one better the RGB incorporates tuning switches that actually works. A flich of the bass switch yeilds 3dbs of bass increase especially for its subbass. I just leave the switch on as it is perfect for hip hop and even EDM.
I know there is no such thing as one IEM to rule them all but in this case. Ya. These have stunning absolutely stunning treble articulation, air and extension. Crazy fullbodied holographic mids and some richly detailed very capable bass with solid impact and rumble for BAs the best I have heard. This one was a complete surprise to me in the best possible way. I know a lot of you guys question these kilobuck IEMs. Are they worth it?
When they sound this nice and outdoes practically every IEM I have ever heard. Ya.. These are simply some of the best sounding IEMs that exists. It has to be.
Graph courtsy of our good buddy tgx.
And by the way, the glowing lines are Lumanova, not tritium tubes. Lumanova is a glow paint used on watch dials and other things. It’s non toxic. They even include a little black light flashlight to charge them up with.
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Lol I was wondering why they sent a little keychain flashlight.
Today I received the 7Hz Legato.
My first impression is that they are dark and remind me of the Oriolus Finschi.
Let's do some burning.
My first impression is that they are dark and remind me of the Oriolus Finschi.
Let's do some burning.
Seems MQA may be going into administration:
https://www.whathifi.com/news/mqa-is-going-into-administration
Well administration aside, MQA is a very controversial file format, it is lossy instead of lossless etc.
https://www.whathifi.com/news/mqa-is-going-into-administration
Well administration aside, MQA is a very controversial file format, it is lossy instead of lossless etc.
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Can’t say this is a bad thing. MQA has always struck me as little more than a thinly disguised scam.
I never really heard the point of MQA, even with a full decoder. Good riddance to MQA.
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Only MMCX at this point. They discontinued it.
Indeed, no tears lost over MQA.
Indirectly, consumers have been paying for MQA though - other than the Tidal Masters subscription, a lot of sources (eg dongles/dacs) have to pay for a license for the MQA decoding, and this added licensing cost no doubt leads to jacked up prices which are passed on to the buyer.
Asakurai
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The IEM I ordered is Audio Hekili
I noticed it’s 64 family tuning and saw some loves it, so I wanted give it a try. The 10khz+ looks pretty energized
I will update if this proxy service actually works or not.
Oops! I think I actually ordered Lokahi instead of Hekili, anywayThey look pretty similar in tuning family.
64 audio’s IEM didn’t hit 8khz coupler’s resonance peak due to the open BA structure meanwhile Those Audio Lokahi /Hekili hit the peak, other than than the tuning seemed pretty much followed the philosophy of neutrality
And honestly i recommend hekili a lot for mid tier price range, definitely better than blessing 2 or tea 2 or canon
And yes i've tried all of mentioned above
As long you like bass, hekili is the best on midtier, while lokahi should be the best treble presentation for its price range (might be a bit offensive but still good)
AmericanSpirit
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That’s great to hear that affirmation from Chifi-expert
Any new findings on hidden gems other than YS Sword?
Do you have Sword’s taobao link again? I may try it someday.
Asakurai
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YS sword taobao, might open it in your browser then bookmark it, taobao short link expired after few daysThat’s great to hear that affirmation from Chifi-expert
Any new findings on hidden gems other than YS Sword?
Do you have Sword’s taobao link again? I may try it someday.
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It's build by order, so you might ask for custom faceplate
o0genesis0o
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I haven’t listened to Serial, so can’t comment.
Vulkan: from memory, I would say yes and no.
- No, they don't differ significantly because (1) neither have that kind of Sony XM4 headphone consumer "Xtra Bass" vibe (though the Legato certainly tip-toes there at times) and (2) both can produce that illusion of bass resonance /decay across the soundstage. For instance, when you listen to the iconic opening of Hotel California, something like Blessing 2 would produce clear kicks, but not strong "brrrm" resonance at the release / decay side of the kicks. Both Legato and Vulkan produces that illusion of the bass rumbling out and across the stage. Another IEM doing this, in my memory, is FiiO FH9.
- Yes, they differ significantly because Legato has much more bass. I mean sheer bass, not the upper bass / lower mid that makes the muddy "umm ummm" sound. Just sheer 60Hz and 125Hz bass.
Penon must love you, BS or not
What should he say? If he loves something, he BS?
Since we are on the topic, even though I respect you and all that, I have to call BS on this one
Your ears do peak and valley, regardless of whether you know it or not. It's physics. Just like Earth is not flat, regardless whether flat earthers (is that the word?) know it or not. Now whether you can relate that subjective impressions to the peak and valley is another question that requires constant geeking with graphs and EQs. (You know, scientific method, or as Richard Feynman says, "guess and test")Today I received the 7Hz Legato.
My first impression is that they are dark and remind me of the Oriolus Finschi.
Let's do some burning.
Let it burn! J/k. I didn't hear any change after letting them run by themselves for a day.
One trick is to wear them with a shallow fit. I think you tried to fit the IEM deep into the coupler (that small peak at 8.5kHz). All issues about soundstage width would be resolved with shallow fit, and the treble peaks would be brought down to audible region to reduce the darkness.
He is not wrong though. The whole comment.
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