The discovery thread!

[CoiL]

No, there is zero sibilance. Sibilance comes from peaks between 7 and 10 kHz...that's where the ie40 Pro is as flat as a board...peaks start way above 10 kHz.

Spoiler: ie40 Pro FR

That graph look really nice... tho, isn`t mid-bass tad too prominent relative to sub-bass and 3-5kHz range?

Btw, have You got Your hands/ears on Kanas Pro? If You get chance, try it. I suspect signature won`t be up Your alley but curious what Your would write about it honestly

 

[kova4a]

Next stop : The Sennheiser IE40 Pro. Another budget earphone with crazy good reviews, and I'm curious to see how close they can come to the Sennheiser IE800? Maybe a great all-arounder companion to the IE800? Something I can take with me on the road? @Otto Motor has just convinced me with his comments above.

It's actually nothing like the ie800. In fact it's tuned nothing like previous sennheisers. It's less V-shaped and bassy. More on the neutral with treble boost side and overal more like a stage monitor though maybe a bit simplified and lacking in micro details and shimmer due to the upper treble dip.

That graph look really nice... tho, isn`t mid-bass tad too prominent relative to sub-bass and 3-5kHz range?

Btw, have You got Your hands/ears on Kanas Pro? If You get chance, try it. I suspect signature won`t be up Your alley but curious what Your would write about it honestly

It's probably the least bassy sennheiser iem I've heard. Btw, I personally would pick the ie40 pro over the KPE. It might lack a bit in detail retrieval but just sounds more natural overall.

I'm interested to hear what they've done with the ie400 and ie500 although the price difference is quite big for something that has pretty much the same build with just a different driver. They are still fairly reasonably priced for sennheiser iems though. The ie40 pro is a nice surprise at this price though

 

[Otto Motor]

That graph look really nice... tho, isn`t mid-bass tad too prominent relative to sub-bass and 3-5kHz range?

Btw, have You got Your hands/ears on Kanas Pro? If You get chance, try it. I suspect signature won`t be up Your alley but curious what Your would write about it honestly

I would also like to try it out after the geeks from headflux.de recommended it.

As to mid-bass hump: here an interesting comparison.

Spoiler: Interesting comparison

 

[jon parker]

It's actually nothing like the ie800. In fact it's tuned nothing like previous sennheisers. It's less V-shaped and bassy. More on the neutral with treble boost side and overal more like a stage monitor though maybe a bit simplified and lacking in micro details and shimmer due to the upper treble dip.

It's probably the least bassy sennheiser iem I've heard. Btw, I personally would pick the ie40 pro over the KPE. It might lack a bit in detail retrieval but just sounds more natural overall.
I'm interested to hear what they've done with the ie400 and ie500 although the price difference is quite big for something that has pretty much the same build with just a different driver. They are still fairly reasonably priced for sennheiser iems though. The ie40 pro is a nice surprise at this price though

Thanks everyone for the info. I have a set arriving tomorrow. I will of course add my impressions in due course

 

[NymPHONOmaniac]

Pretty confident these new ALPHA & DELTA KS3 will not pass under the radar.

These are incredible bargain. Sound is well balanced with lush timbre, clean mids, great attack-decay, good bass extension...it touch every corner of frequencies range with a mature yet lively musicality.

Anyway, if you don't like the sound, just the cable worth the price of purchase...wich is very confusing.

My review of them is up on headfi and my NO BS BLOG

 

[jant71]

Pretty confident these new ALPHA & DELTA KS3 will not pass under the radar.

These are incredible bargain. Sound is well balanced with lush timbre, clean mids, great attack-decay, good bass extension...it touch every corner of frequencies range with a mature yet lively musicality.

Anyway, if you don't like the sound, just the cable worth the price of purchase...wich is very confusing.

My review of them is up on headfi and my NO BS BLOG

How about KS3 vs. VS3?

 

[Otto Motor]

It's actually nothing like the ie800. In fact it's tuned nothing like previous sennheisers. It's less V-shaped and bassy. More on the neutral with treble boost side and overal more like a stage monitor though maybe a bit simplified and lacking in micro details and shimmer due to the upper treble dip.


It's probably the least bassy sennheiser iem I've heard. Btw, I personally would pick the ie40 pro over the KPE. It might lack a bit in detail retrieval but just sounds more natural overall.

I'm interested to hear what they've done with the ie400 and ie500 although the price difference is quite big for something that has pretty much the same build with just a different driver. They are still fairly reasonably priced for sennheiser iems though. The ie40 pro is a nice surprise at this price though

I agree! The ie40 Pro hit my financial sweet spot. The similarly priced Momentum in-ear sound muffled in comparison. I was testing them back and forth against the Focal Sphear (bassier, darker, vocals more back, also great timbre) and the Brainwavz B200 v1 (leaner sound, tinnier at loud volumes)...and I was looking for sibilance in the ie40 Pro as claimed by some...but found it in the Sphear.

The ie40 Pro are really good earphones because they do nothing bad and most things very well...very smooth, yet dynamic, and simply pleasant with a great timbre. Fit is great, cable is right...only the pouch is too small.

 

[NymPHONOmaniac]

How about KS3 vs. VS3?

KS3 is from another league here, VS3 is good but i have fit issue....hum.
Well, VS3 are brighter-dryier, more V shape, have a taller soundstage with more air but less accurate imaging and less detailed mid range.
...man, they dont stop poping off my ears its hard!
hum, timbre is thinner, and soundstage is hall like compared to more intimate and near your KS3.
Both have sub emphasis but the VS3 is more present and well, V shape.
Vocal are where the VS3 is put toshame compared to KS3, even if they arent mid centric.

okay thats it....they just fall again of my ears. Problem is hear hook for me.

Anyway, I like how they sound....wich is why I will find a way to stick them in my ears for good. Soundstage is quite phenomenal. (hall like)

 

[FreeWheelinAudioLuv]

So i'm about 6 hours in with the MKP and unless they open up and break in dramatically in the next 72-94 hours, the Sennheiser IE800 and JVC FW01 are just technically better. Now let's remember, it's still within the OOTB sound, and though it's an enjoyable sound with absolutely ZERO sibilance and free of any peaks, they don't beat the JVC in either timbre or imaging, and the soundstage and detail retrieval of the IE800 is just technically and fundamentally better. I really like the bass. It's a really mature bass. Nice impact and punchy. The treble is a tad rolled off. A touch polite. This might explain the no sibilance or peaks, but it also might explain it's lagging behind the other two in detail retrieval. I would place it equal to the T3, but with better treble control, and better bass impact, but equal in DR, with better soundstage, but about equal imaging. I'll repot back if burn in changes the sound any more than it has over 6 hours of continuous listening both out of the Plenue J and the Sony.

Is the Moondrop Kanas Pro worth the money? Maybe? Hopefully that changes to an emphatic YES in the coming days.

 

[CoiL]

Is the Moondrop Kanas Pro worth the money? Maybe? Hopefully that changes to an emphatic YES in the coming days.

Here is the answer -> look at FW01 & IE800 price tag -> YES they are worth the money!

 

[jon parker]

Sennheiser IE40 Pro

So had a good hour with them. Out of the box, quite good. From one point of view they dont appear to do a lot wrong BUT
there is some warmth missing in the mids which can leave some male vocals sounding a bit thin and female vocals sounding a bit boxy
and plasticy. In this sense they are not sounding natural.
- However when I remember that they are 'Monitor IEM's' and not 'Reference' then I feel a bit more forgiving of them

The tips selection is pathetic and frankly an insult - You get 4 sets - 1 of which is large, the other 3 small and small-medium.!!
If the different stem colours are indicating a different type of tips then again this is not good as you can only really use the version
that physically fits you
After 5 seconds with the single large tips though I threw them back in box and put a pair of spin tips on them - Huge improvement !
Along with lacking some needed warmth mids the other characteristics I can hear are: Think of a winters morning - clean, crisp, clear
Bass is good - sub bass is there but sounds weirdly the same as the bass - It doesn't seem to have much power to rumble

Sibilance - Yes! it is there but its a bit odd - It seems to present only the top 20% of the highest frequency of any sibilance. So it sounds
like the IEM's cut out almost all of any sibilance but forget a tiny bit at the top. Wont be a problem for most though as it comes and goes
fairly quickly is quite high up in the far reaches of sibilance

isolation and fit are both top notch. very good

Anyway, its early days. I will probably keep them for work
Some of the negative aspects of them Ive heard before and may well buff out with some time *coughs* burn in
Also, Ive yet to try other DAPs and tips (Only tried thus far Spintips on iBasso DX150 and Mac)
They're not bad. i am cautiously optamistic

 

[Nabillion_786]

So i'm about 6 hours in with the MKP and unless they open up and break in dramatically in the next 72-94 hours, the Sennheiser IE800 and JVC FW01 are just technically better. Now let's remember, it's still within the OOTB sound, and though it's an enjoyable sound with absolutely ZERO sibilance and free of any peaks, they don't beat the JVC in either timbre or imaging, and the soundstage and detail retrieval of the IE800 is just technically and fundamentally better. I really like the bass. It's a really mature bass. Nice impact and punchy. The treble is a tad rolled off. A touch polite. This might explain the no sibilance or peaks, but it also might explain it's lagging behind the other two in detail retrieval. I would place it equal to the T3, but with better treble control, and better bass impact, but equal in DR, with better soundstage, but about equal imaging. I'll repot back if burn in changes the sound any more than it has over 6 hours of continuous listening both out of the Plenue J and the Sony.

Is the Moondrop Kanas Pro worth the money? Maybe? Hopefully that changes to an emphatic YES in the coming days.

Does kpe have a bigger stage then the JVC fd01's? And which one has more fuller mids?

 

[Broquen]

Sennheiser IE40 Pro

So had a good hour with them. Out of the box, quite good. From one point of view they dont appear to do a lot wrong BUT
there is some warmth missing in the mids which can leave some male vocals sounding a bit thin and female vocals sounding a bit boxy
and plasticy. In this sense they are not sounding natural.
- However when I remember that they are 'Monitor IEM's' and not 'Reference' then I feel a bit more forgiving of them

The tips selection is pathetic and frankly an insult - You get 4 sets - 1 of which is large, the other 3 small and small-medium.!!
If the different stem colours are indicating a different type of tips then again this is not good as you can only really use the version
that physically fits you
After 5 seconds with the single large tips though I threw them back in box and put a pair of spin tips on them - Huge improvement !
Along with lacking some needed warmth mids the other characteristics I can hear are: Think of a winters morning - clean, crisp, clear
Bass is good - sub bass is there but sounds weirdly the same as the bass - It doesn't seem to have much power to rumble

Sibilance - Yes! it is there but its a bit odd - It seems to present only the top 20% of the highest frequency of any sibilance. So it sounds
like the IEM's cut out almost all of any sibilance but forget a tiny bit at the top. Wont be a problem for most though as it comes and goes
fairly quickly is quite high up in the far reaches of sibilance

isolation and fit are both top notch. very good

Anyway, its early days. I will probably keep them for work
Some of the negative aspects of them Ive heard before and may well buff out with some time *coughs* burn in
Also, Ive yet to try other DAPs and tips (Only tried thus far Spintips on iBasso DX150 and Mac)
They're not bad. i am cautiously optamistic

This kind of honest opinions help a lot. Thanks.

 

[Cevisi]

A friend of mine a

Sennheiser IE40 Pro

So had a good hour with them. Out of the box, quite good. From one point of view they dont appear to do a lot wrong BUT
there is some warmth missing in the mids which can leave some male vocals sounding a bit thin and female vocals sounding a bit boxy
and plasticy. In this sense they are not sounding natural.
- However when I remember that they are 'Monitor IEM's' and not 'Reference' then I feel a bit more forgiving of them

The tips selection is pathetic and frankly an insult - You get 4 sets - 1 of which is large, the other 3 small and small-medium.!!
If the different stem colours are indicating a different type of tips then again this is not good as you can only really use the version
that physically fits you
After 5 seconds with the single large tips though I threw them back in box and put a pair of spin tips on them - Huge improvement !
Along with lacking some needed warmth mids the other characteristics I can hear are: Think of a winters morning - clean, crisp, clear
Bass is good - sub bass is there but sounds weirdly the same as the bass - It doesn't seem to have much power to rumble

Sibilance - Yes! it is there but its a bit odd - It seems to present only the top 20% of the highest frequency of any sibilance. So it sounds
like the IEM's cut out almost all of any sibilance but forget a tiny bit at the top. Wont be a problem for most though as it comes and goes
fairly quickly is quite high up in the far reaches of sibilance

isolation and fit are both top notch. very good

Anyway, its early days. I will probably keep them for work
Some of the negative aspects of them Ive heard before and may well buff out with some time *coughs* burn in
Also, Ive yet to try other DAPs and tips (Only tried thus far Spintips on iBasso DX150 and Mac)
They're not bad. i am cautiously optamistic

A friend of mine are interested in these are you think they are better than tin t3 or ikko oh 1 he cant decide between these 3

 

[jant71]

KS3 is from another league here, VS3 is good but i have fit issue....hum.
Well, VS3 are brighter-dryier, more V shape, have a taller soundstage with more air but less accurate imaging and less detailed mid range.
...man, they dont stop poping off my ears its hard!
hum, timbre is thinner, and soundstage is hall like compared to more intimate and near your KS3.
Both have sub emphasis but the VS3 is more present and well, V shape.
Vocal are where the VS3 is put toshame compared to KS3, even if they arent mid centric.

okay thats it....they just fall again of my ears. Problem is hear hook for me.

Anyway, I like how they sound....which is why I will find a way to stick them in my ears for good. Soundstage is quite phenomenal. (hall like)

Cool! Just getting a feel perhaps for some of the traits like the stage size you talked about. Not interested in the VS3 but might give Vsonic another shot with the VS7.