[Philimon]

Fostex T10
- the best stock vintage ortho
- its just not spectacular in any way, vanilla .... Outside of being remarkably flat. I guess besides that its biggest strength is being inoffensive.
- I've never reached for this headphone. However, the two I've owned have been in bleh condition. The first one had terribly worn pads that made it uncomfortable to wear. And this set has a messed up cable that makes it a pain to use. So, if they were in better condition then ya I might use. But in this case these are for donation pile.
- my fpc tends to measure things as a little less bassy compared to my EARS, its the compensation curve, but which is more correct - idunno.

Im going through and measuring my headphones on my rebuilt flat plate coupler rig to compare to the first iteration of this rig. This v2 tends to show a little less highs than previously. One cause for this difference could simply be in the position of the mic's depth in the coupler... I've experimented with different depths +- and result was highs are mainly and majorly effected even with just a difference of 1-2mm.

Before I move onto to the next headphone I will have a quick listen and maybe add some new subjectives from my current perspective.

 

[headphones1999]

If anyone thinking of getting vesper for their Sansui ss100 and wonder if he should (or any flat earpads to mimic the original fostex t50 earpads)
Got vesper earpads for my sansui ss100, it was made with the following: 85mm outer, 30 inner hole, 14mm thickness, cooling gel +memory foam

I would recommend just getting the normal soft foam, what I chose is not very soft and not ideal for this thickness.
also regarding the thickness, since memory+gel is less soft 14mm might work out just fine, but still imo 10-12mm would be more ideal even with softer foam, any more and you're risking the treble getting just hot enough to ruin the great tuning.
Important note specifically for the the ss100, tell them to make it 83mm and not 85, mine do not for perfectly on the recessed lip,
the actual dimeter of the earpad is 86-87mm
*this note might apply to any earpads from Vesper, but this might be an intentional oversize for headphones that fit their earpads with a "lip" rather than double side adhesive like the ss100.

 

[Philimon]

Before I move onto to the next headphone I will have a quick listen and maybe add some new subjectives from my current perspective.

They are cleaner sounding than Yamahas (stock). T10 bass is too tight and light. Id almost place Yamaha YH-2 as best stock vintage ortho. YH-2 has better tone (downward sloping). However, YH-2 suffers from mids resonance (stock) so for me that holds back my recommending YH2 over T10.

Im going to try padrolling T10 to get more bbbass.

 

[headphones1999]

Didn't want to to jump in conclusion but after few weeks can confidently say that the SR009 earpads I got from Vesper (along with the ss100 earpads) as a gamble works extremely well imo, did modify the outer size to 105mm (original is 110mm) but would recommend 102mm if anyone end up getting them after my post for some reason, see my earlier post on the page to understand why.
Leather and regular soft foam were the specs other than that.
In short about the change: much more pleasant on the ears to listen to, they will clamp you as much as the carbon headband Audeze headphones because of the thick earpad.

While Im at it on the RP18, i had to change the yellow biscuits at the back, after a lot of trial and error i found a cloth that seems to mimic the bass response of the original, but it does change the upper fr`s , and the change was for the better for me, here is a "do not actually trust this measurement" measurement to show the effect more or less, if anyone extra curious feel free to contact me I can send you some cloth I still have.

green is original yellow biscuits , purple is the new cloth

 

[Promick]

Hi all!

On air heading "Debunk the legends"
As we know, the world's first orthodynamic headphones were released by the Dutch company Peerless, after the takeover of the German company MB Quard. And at once 2 models Peerless PMB 6 with a 44 mm driver, and Peerless PMB 8 with a 55 mm driver.
There was an opinion that Yamaha in their Yamaha HP-1 models is a 55 mm driver. and in the Yamaha HP-2/HP-3, a 44mm driver. either copied the Peerless drivers or released those drivers under a Peerless license.
I just happened to have headphones at the same time:
1) Peerless PMB 6 with 44mm driver.
2) Yamaha HP-3 with 44mm driver.
Compare?

As we can see, the shape of the magnet and the holes in the magnet are different, and even if the radiating film itself is 100% the same, the sound will still be different.
So Yamaha released drivers, although similar to Peerless, but still of their own design.

P.S. As the Peerless PMB 8 and Yamaha HP-1 with a 55 mm driver will be on hand at the same time, I will definitely compare these headphone models.

Thank you all for your attention..

 

[GREQ]

Hi all!

On air heading "Debunk the legends"
As we know, the world's first orthodynamic headphones were released by the Dutch company Peerless, after the takeover of the German company MB Quard. And at once 2 models Peerless PMB 6 with a 44 mm driver, and Peerless PMB 8 with a 55 mm driver.
There was an opinion that Yamaha in their Yamaha HP-1 models is a 55 mm driver. and in the Yamaha HP-2/HP-3, a 44mm driver. either copied the Peerless drivers or released those drivers under a Peerless license.
I just happened to have headphones at the same time:
1) Peerless PMB 6 with 44mm driver.
2) Yamaha HP-3 with 44mm driver.
Compare?

As we can see, the shape of the magnet and the holes in the magnet are different, and even if the radiating film itself is 100% the same, the sound will still be different.
So Yamaha released drivers, although similar to Peerless, but still of their own design.

P.S. As the Peerless PMB 8 and Yamaha HP-1 with a 55 mm driver will be on hand at the same time, I will definitely compare these headphone models.

Thank you all for your attention..

I thought the world first was by Wharfedale

 

[khbaur330162]

I thought the world first was by Wharfedale

I thought so too. Maybe he means this particular format of spiral trace/center pinched?

 

[Promick]

I thought the world first was by Wharfedale

Wharfedale ID1 is first Isodinamic headphone. First orto is Peerless.
But the principle of obtaining sound using this technology was described as early as the beginning of the 20th century.

 

[khbaur330162]

The Yamaha HP-1's sound more refined when I compare to B&O U70's, I'm guessing Yamaha's are similarly more refined compared to Peerless counterparts, but that's just a hunch. I feel transplanting these drivers away from stock enclosures reduces housing reflections and boosts clarity considerably so with careful modding makes comparisons much easier and more discerning. Will be interesting to hear your impressions @Promick .

 

[Promick]

Will be interesting to hear your impressions @Promick .

I have a lot of vintage headphones, but there are certain difficulties with access to the main part of the collection. When I have a Yamaha HP-1 and some headphones with Peerless 55mm. driver in my hands. , I will definitely compare them!

 

[Zerstorer_GOhren]

I got an Aurex vintage can. An Electret condenser headphone.

 

[Philimon]

The Aurex are very pretty cans and Ive been tempted to buy before because of the looks. They are not ortho obviously, these pics might be better appreciated in the vintage headphone thread. btw are the cups metal or plastic?

 

[Zerstorer_GOhren]

The Aurex are very pretty cans and Ive been tempted to buy before because of the looks. They are not ortho obviously, these pics might be better appreciated in the vintage headphone thread. btw are the cups metal or plastic?

Plastic and metal. Where's the thread or vintage headphone here?

 

[khbaur330162]

I got an Aurex vintage can. An Electret condenser headphone.

I once took an Audio-Technica electret that had transformers in the earcups and modified them to plug into a cheap electret energizer box for K-Mart electrets (Numark brand, I removed stock transformers entirely) and they actually sounded a fair bit better, imho. Might be worth a shot looking for cheap electret energizer for these and rewiring for a Stax plug or something.

 

[Philimon]

Plastic and metal. Where's the thread or vintage headphone here?

Thank you for the info.
General vintage headphone thread.:
https://www.head-fi.org/threads/show-us-your-vintage-headphones.420490/