Apr 19, 2012 at 1:34 AM Post #19,696 of 27,310
oh that hurts to hear: " giving away "
You're going to get them just right then that'll never happen ( hands the person some store bought pair with glued baffles and fake modding scars. " ...these are those orthos  I promised
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I got some funny images of a bunch of head-fiers sweeping into fabric stores rubbing fabrics all over their faces with their eyes closed " CALL SECURITY!"
 
Apr 19, 2012 at 2:00 AM Post #19,697 of 27,310
 
Lol. Ortho flash mob. Let's do it for the 1,000,000 views celebration. Ahhhh, we're getting so close!
 
Meh, I've got other projects to keep me company. He's already heard them, though, so there's no fooling him. He said, "These are easily the best headphones I've ever heard," so I know he'll like them, even if I gave them to him as is. I'm more messing around with them for myself at this point. He laughed at me when I said, "Now, you can't have these quite yet, I'm not 100% done with them." He was probably thinking, "Uhhh what else could you even do?"
 
Apr 19, 2012 at 2:13 AM Post #19,698 of 27,310
Should try and figure out something we can distribute like decent tshirt iron-ons or something. Maybe arrange a special-edition half price HE200?   Fire out some ideas, I'm going to make something up for myself anyhow.  Maybe I'll bite the bullet and finally get my free tattoo, have about 4  or 5 friends( my brother too ) that do that for a living and they all drool at my tat free space. Most people I know have a bunch or are covered. At least tshirts can be thrown out after though.
 
Apr 19, 2012 at 2:19 AM Post #19,699 of 27,310
LMAO.
 
 
 
Orthodynamic Roundup​
I was there​
 
Apr 19, 2012 at 2:20 AM Post #19,700 of 27,310
NICE  big bold letters, that's all. I mean for a shirt
 
Apr 19, 2012 at 4:21 AM Post #19,701 of 27,310
Haha, I'm down for such a shirt!
 
And you wouldn't have guessed but that was exactly what I did at the fabric store where I got my pleather lol. Yeah I did somewhat get some odd stares, but it was all good. The lady that cut the pleather for me was perhaps somewhat impressed to see a male in the store, buying stuff for himself. This one is nice and comfortable, although perhaps not as much on such a small scale. It may be easier making new pads for my T50RP... turns out the cutout I had for the HP-1 was more around the pad size of a HP-2! remake I go.
 

So as you can see the HP-2 I acquired today already got gutted. It was in a rather poor shape: the suspension headband was cracked on all four; the earpads were flaking; the foam inside is flattened, somewhat disintegrated (as documented long ago in this thread) and reeks of cigarette smoke; and the cables are exposed at one part. Everything else worked flawlessly, including the sound.
The picture above shows the The Headphone People Headgear 2001 with HP-2 drivers inside. It doesn't fit as flush as the HP-1 driver (which thus doesn't fit) so I had to find a way to keep it in place. The pads I am using are the stock Headgear 2001 pads sitting on top of the stock flaky HP-2 pads. It was what gave me to best sound out of the box. The fact that it was also the most comfortable combo came as a well appreciated bonus.
 

Excuse my legs. That's how I work on headphones btw. Bad for my posture...
The interior is laid out like this: deep inside the cup I lined a half-layer of the stiff craft foam (red) I previously bought to mod the HP-1 and didn't work. Next is the stock open cell foam from the Headgear 2001 on which the driver sits on. I used each of the thicker pieces of black felt from the HP-2 cups to keep the driver from moving around, and used cotton to fill the remaining 1/8 of the circumference. A small rectangle of tape as reflex box sits behind the driver.
Finally, not the coolest way to do it, but I put a ring of blue tack on the baffle and pressed it tight to form a seal (hopefully). Since the whole setup cannot be mounted if the driver is already sitting on the baffle, this is the only workaround.
 
Sound?

This is really not an accurate reading of white noise (heck it was done on an iPhone4S w/ the apple earbud inline mic sitting on my ear) but it gives a general idea... Anything below 250Hz does not get recorded. The obvious peaks and troughs are generally pretty well portrayed and can be confirmed with audacity tone generator.
This graph does not represent really anything extraordinary... compared to any other of my modded headphones (the recorded part on the bottom) these measure the worst (well, debatable), but for the first time the treble peak is beyond my audible range.
 
I'm not sure how well this sounds compared to the stock HP-2 but I am liking it very much! I may be able to improve the readings by adding one layer of the felt-like cloth I used in the HP-1 mod... I'll have to try, and suffer having to fix the blue tack seal again. Really liking how this is now really open back and sounds quite decent. The new red accent is nice too :D
 
Way past my normal sleeping hours but it was worth it! Maybe I'll post the measurements I got with my other cans.
The program is optimized for the inline speaker i think so maybe some measurement limitations have been accounted for and balanced...?
 
 
**EDIT** well the clamping force might still prevent me from wearing this for long periods... No matter how i bend this thing it won't loosen up. I can get it curved backwards and no plastic bending!
 
Apr 19, 2012 at 4:48 AM Post #19,702 of 27,310
>< I almost thought I was workin' on your headphones. Looking good, though. Maybe sew yourself some pads that jussst fit around your ears? You'd probably need to make a baffle adapter for them, though.
 
Edit:
 
http://20cheaddatebase.web.fc2.com/SONY/ECR-800.html
 
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 *heads back to paint* There's an even "better" one for the ECR-4/500. Looks like I can just blow it up for an outline. SONY ECR PENTAGON! Now searches will work.
 
Apr 19, 2012 at 11:07 AM Post #19,703 of 27,310
The ECRs are so cool...

Yeah if I try to make circumaural pads for year I"ll need an adapter. The Dero on the other hand I can slap on the 840 pads with double sided tape or something over te stock cloth pads and it effectively is very comfortable and stock pads act as a bass lens.

But with such a strong clamping force I don't have to worry about a lock mechanism for the adapter :D

Meanwhile I really need to cut the strut a bit... One side has really long extension and it chipped off a tiny piece of the Yama driver when I rotate the support...
 
Apr 19, 2012 at 3:45 PM Post #19,704 of 27,310
 
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The Rotel is indeed a back-electret design. It's a cosmetically spiffed-up version of Toshiba's HR-810. And you're right, there's very little adjustment for comfort, so if they don't feel right, your only option, other than bending metal, is different earpads. http://audio-heritage.jp/AUREX/etc/hr-810.html
 
The sealing, or lack of it, is puzzling, but it might explain the lack of bass in my HR-910.

 
Wualta,
 
By any chance, do you have any pictures of the internals of your HR-910? I am most interested what it was there from the factory. Have you done anything with your pair?
 
 
 
Apr 19, 2012 at 6:49 PM Post #19,705 of 27,310
It's rather funny/sarcastic hearing that Seinnheiser(or whatever it's spelled) decided to use a "donut" shaped diaphragm in the HD700/800 instead of domed because it would throw a more realistic sounding "flatter" waveform to the pinna, from what they über-skilled german engineers found out after years and years of experiments....oh yah, you mean like what orthos have been doing for almost 40 years? Gosh, what a breakthrough! Can't wait for their next world-changing discovery at this point
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Apr 19, 2012 at 9:43 PM Post #19,706 of 27,310
 
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It's rather funny/sarcastic hearing that Seinnheiser(or whatever it's spelled) decided to use a "donut" shaped diaphragm in the HD700/800 instead of domed because it would throw a more realistic sounding "flatter" waveform to the pinna, from what they über-skilled german engineers found out after years and years of experiments....oh yah, you mean like what orthos have been doing for almost 40 years? Gosh, what a breakthrough! Can't wait for their next world-changing discovery at this point
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Since when orhos had an ring diaphragm?
Senn's more planar waveform is due to ring shape itself, ortho driver also could be improved that way.
If you mean that, say, Yamahas have diaphragms clamped at center, it doesn't play much role as the clamp is too small.
All MHO.
 
Apr 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM Post #19,707 of 27,310
Well, orthos have dead flat diaphragms, it'd seem rather hard to get any flatter than that? and the waveforms sent to the pinna would surely end up being even flatter than in the HD800 IMHO. 
 
The two drawbacks of dynamic drivers would appear to be their non-flat diaphragms and their associated voice coil itself that's just a whole bunch of kludgy wounded wire. Good luck getting natural sound of this failtastic combo, no wonder it took years to make the HD800...that's what you get for polishing a 75yo technology based on the circa 1937 DT48 
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Apr 19, 2012 at 11:03 PM Post #19,708 of 27,310

Quote:
 
By any chance, do you have any pictures of the internals of your HR-910? I am most interested what it was there from the factory. Have you done anything with your pair?

 
I have no photos of the my HR-910's insides because I never disassembled it, knowing I'd probably never see another pair in my lifetime. However, Spritzer bought one or two Toshiba/Aurex and fearlessly took them to pieces, after which he poked and prodded the pieces. He may have disassembled a similar model.
 
Apr 20, 2012 at 3:36 PM Post #19,710 of 27,310
Pads mkII failed. Since it was kind of small I decided to try slapping some closed cell foam as paddings. The contact surface is very small, and hole was pretty large (bigger than expected) so the comfort isn't long lasting. Maybe 3 minutes?! Though a 7cm donut with 3cm diameter hole of closed cell foam as-is was decently comfortable and surprisingly the sound was also good. Once I get more of those I will remake them. Tried wearing the transplanted HP-2 for quite a few hours yesterday and... ouch my ears. While the HP-2 stock pads are nice and plush (too bad flaking horribly), the stock Headgear 2001 pads are pleather, very flat contact surface and stiff.
 
To relieve the clamping force I am thinking of first bending the headband so the headphones actually align with my ears. It probably won't work, so I will try placing pads à la PortaPro, at least keeping some of the pressure off my ears.
 
As for the struts, I cut them down. No problem with that anymore, except that I'll need to buy a new grind tip for the dremel soon. Guess steel was a bit much for it...?
 
 
Now I need to recable this... The cables still work fine and all, but I notice that the exterior rubber is cut at quite many places, and may be dangerous on the long run. Will probably just salvage the cables that came originally attached to the Headgear 2001; they're real thick strands of copper, as expected of back in the days. Cut it shorter and reterminate to 3.5mm with a leftover Neutrik plug I have.
The problem is... I haven't soldered in many years. If I try to solder directly on the nodes of the driver (where the stock wiring to diaphragm are done), is it easy to fry the driver? It would be the most solid solution for me but I'm not sure if its safe. I've only done soldering on PCBs before, and those aren't nearly as easy to fry. Your input will be appreciated!
 

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