The discovery thread!

[Hypops]

Not sure if this was posted yet. FR graph of the upcoming Ziigaat x Jay Estrella:

 

[Redcarmoose]

Random silliness.

Tbh, who cares if "what people “hear” isn’t always real."

What's the point of personal audio? "Flawless signal reproduction and transmission" EH! Wrong.

It's the image that ultimately pops up in the brain of the listeners, ala "what people hear."

If putting crystal on the shells of IEMs can create psychological effect to make listeners hears nicer music, then by all means, conduct more research to see how one can control and maximise that psychological effect.

But no, that's too slippery, too hard. So let's put down everything we cannot measure to have a false sense of certainty.

(Yes, I don't put much faith in cable and other yadda yadda of audiophiles, but the attitude "what people “hear” isn’t always real." pisses me off)

Yes, it is an imaginary world of pretend soundscapes, fanning the imagination and the soul into the night. What is real and what is not is only there for the perceiver of such possible truths............ever so swayed by (at times) the un-quantifiable.

That's the day I abandon the discovery thread.

You can never leave. Never! That is what starters say, look at my post count.

This gave me a good laugh.

There may be some truth in concept there?

So funny how accurate that image is conceptually.

There may be some truth in concept there?

Ha. Well said.

Whenever the conversation starts going this far, I invariably land on the same point: as music lovers and audiophiles, we’re all looking to be “intoxicated” in one way or another. Whatever roads you take to get there (good music, a cozy chair, a soft incandescent light bulb, a literal intoxicant, a good set of measurements, salt rocks, beads, cable lifters, fairy dust, whatever) are entirely your own business. We each hear what we hear. We all have our own weird ways. Human brains are cool that way.

I'm waiting for the next wave of fairy dust. I'm old, I even remember when they said tubes were the only thing that was real, that sold state was fake music.

 

[FreeWheelinAudioLuv2]

KZ Vader HR > Laptop jack. One of the great classic Elvis tracks of all-time.

 

[Redcarmoose]

Awesome write up. As a big fan of the Sivga Nightingale, I'm curious to hear more impressions from others on this one. Only thing that throws me off is that while the Que shares the same shell design as the Nightingale, it's upside-down!

New Sivga............

 

[Hypops]

Not sure if this was posted yet. FR graph of the upcoming Ziigaat x Jay Estrella:

A couple things I note based solely on the FR graph:
1) this is definitely not a Simgot or Harman graph. This is squarely in the new 5128 meta.
2) no tucked bass, but doesn’t glide very far. It graphs very similarly to the DaVinci, so this might be the main comparison.
3) the big question I have is: is it too safe?

DaVinci comparison:

 

[Ineras]

Not sure if this was posted yet. FR graph of the upcoming Ziigaat x Jay Estrella:

OH MY GOD, THAT 17K PEAK!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is that a little special sauce blip at 4.4k?
DaVinci has 5-way crossover while I think I saw somewhere Estrella has 3-way? Please correct if I'm wrong.
Another thing to consider, Estrella has dual 10mm while DaVinci has 10mm for sub-bass and 8mm for mid bass.

 

[FastGecko5]

I'm waiting for the next wave of fairy dust. I'm old, I even remember when they said tubes were the only thing that was real, that sold state was fake music

I love tubes. I wish I could take them everywhere with me. I think Goldensound(?) recently reviewed a portable tube amp that looked really cool but it's way out of my budget

2) no tucked bass

Tucked bass can pound sand. I hate it. Bring on the bass slopes.

 

[Ozboyblu]

After watching Deadpool and Wolverine Yesterday at the movies

I was inspired to listen to :

Like a Prayer .
Madonna. - Finally Enough Love - Album.
FLAC Hi-Res 24/88.2Khz

SR9. Is revealing more details-

At the very beginning 0.01 sec mark. you can hear an echo of the song starting.

0:27 secs whispers of “ for thou of the kingdom” each channel. I get goosebumps.

 

[Hypops]

OH MY GOD, THAT 17K PEAK!!!!!!!!!!!!
Is that a little special sauce blip at 4.4k?
DaVinci has 5-way crossover while I think I saw somewhere Estrella has 3-way? Please correct if I'm wrong.
Another thing to consider, Estrella has dual 10mm while DaVinci has 10mm for sub-bass and 8mm for mid bass.

Yes. And I don’t expect the two sets to sound the same. I suspect Jay is chasing the Hype 4 more than he is the DaVinci. Watching the video of him passing his prototype around to his friends at least tells me which sets he sees as the Estrella’s direct competitors/inspirations: Hype 4, EM10, Dusk, and Pilgrim. At $300, that would be an impressive feat.

 

[Ineras]

A couple things I note based solely on the FR graph:
1) this is definitely not a Simgot or Harman graph. This is squarely in the new 5128 meta.
2) no tucked bass, but doesn’t glide very far. It graphs very similarly to the DaVinci, so this might be the main comparison.
3) the big question I have is: is it too safe?

DaVinci comparison:

Looks really good with silicone tips.

 

[MakeItWain]

“It looks great on camera but don't do it. It's very stringy feeling and sticky/stiff.”

Man, without the picture I would have been a little confused about what you were describing up in here.

The colours of the braid look nice. but if I look closer at your picture. The cables look like something Macgyver would use to dismantle a bomb. . Yeah I’ll pass on this one.

Yup! Pass on it. It's the worst after market cable I've ever purchased and I thought it looked great on AE. But actual execution is a tale of caution.

After watching Deadpool and Wolverine Yesterday at the movies



I was inspired to listen to :

Like a Prayer .
Madonna. - Finally Enough Love - Album.
FLAC Hi-Res 24/88.2Khz



SR9. Is revealing more details-

At the very beginning 0.01 sec mark. you can hear an echo of the song starting.

0:27 secs whispers of “ for thou of the kingdom” each channel. I get goosebumps.

That and N*SYNC have been in my head all weekend.

Also, mail call!

 

[o0genesis0o]

A couple things I note based solely on the FR graph:
1) this is definitely not a Simgot or Harman graph. This is squarely in the new 5128 meta.
2) no tucked bass, but doesn’t glide very far. It graphs very similarly to the DaVinci, so this might be the main comparison.
3) the big question I have is: is it too safe?

DaVinci comparison:

61T with more treble, is that you?

 

[Hypops]

61T with more treble, is that you?

Huh. Yeah. Estrella is just slightly more v-shaped. Otherwise right in there.

 

[BS5711]

Tbh, who cares if "what people “hear” isn’t always real."

What's the point of personal audio? "Flawless signal reproduction and transmission" EH! Wrong.

It's the image that ultimately pops up in the brain of the listeners, ala "what people hear."

If putting crystal on the shells of IEMs can create psychological effect to make listeners hears nicer music, then by all means, conduct more research to see how one can control and maximise that psychological effect.

But no, that's too slippery, too hard. So let's put down everything we cannot measure to have a false sense of certainty.

(Yes, I don't put much faith in cable and other yadda yadda of audiophiles, but the attitude "what people “hear” isn’t always real." pisses me off)

Sorry to piss you off.

My issue is with the perception of audio and the psychological aspects of it being completely ignored and things like cables, burn in or audiophile grade fuses or whatever else affecting sound being spoken about like it is absolutely technical fact.

People talk such things like it is definitive truth and treat their hearing like it is a measurement device that can be trusted to judge small nuances one day to the next or differences many tens or even hundreds of hours later when that simply isn't true of the accuracy and reliability of human hearing and audio perception.

It pisses me off when people talk about what is quite likely psychologically based as something that has a basis in fact and technical performance for others to digest and believe.

I couldn't care less if somebody does something in audio because it makes them feel good and that increases their listening pleasure, I do that to, but I don't talk about it like it is hard facts when the only measuring tool are my ears and brain.

Your mileage varies and that is fine by me.

 

[Ineras]

Huh. Yeah. Estrella is just slightly more v-shaped. Otherwise right in there.

Where's the next stop? I'm getting off this train.