The discovery thread!

[AmericanSpirit]

Wow, have to try this! Not sure if they produce more ringing (than silicones) so more trails at end of notes thus lead to sharper / detailed yet can be double edge sword for already detailed or bright IEMs with emphasize on lower and upper trebles.
But my guess the bass part will be tighter since impulse response on this hard material will be taken as hard surface and doesn't make mid bass smear at all.

From my experience material used for inner tube of eartips play big part on impulse response and resonance chamber. TLDR :
Harder material = tighter mid bass, sharper lower trebles, perceived more details, towards analytical or drier compared to softer materials
Softer material = more wet or analog bass, smoother lower trebles, perceived more organic, leaner or less crispy sounds.
These also combined with size of the bores, where small bores lower down upper mids and lower trebles, and big bores open up those area and resonance of the bass.

Simple but quite complicated and make differences on how we perceived the final sound.

Great analytics from ear tip expert!

Very interesting as many are trying on those multi kilobuck ones and commenting they love it. I can see that’s a legitimate brass dick hype.

Meanwhile, I introduced H570 to Japanese community Hopefully H570 becomes one of the standard and bigger dealers start to sell those.

Enjoy! Exciting times. Is that the stock cable by chance?

Yea it’s stock cable. Amaging quality, I thought it was $450 Softears Turbooo cable.
https://shenzhenaudio.com/products/...rade-cable-for-turii-eearphone-with-0-78-2pin

JUZEAR 41T is a very rare one that I didn’t feel any necessity in swapping to aftermarket cables. As they offer 4.4mm and the cable quality is superb, synergy with IEM is perfect,

 

[Redcarmoose]

I'm half-way finished with my Vocal review...............needless to say, I'm totally amazed!

 

[gooberbm]

JUZEAR 41T is a very rare one that I didn’t feel any necessity in swapping to aftermarket cables. As they offer 4.4mm and the cable quality is superb, synergy with IEM is perfect,

Do you not find a hint of spiciness in upper range harmonics like on strings, brass, and some female vocals? Sometimes, I'm finding just a little too much bite at my preferred volume.

 

[AmericanSpirit]

H570’s Japan debut is getting a little hype now
In just 3hours it’s getting people’s attention.

Hope H570 sticks to Japan market so someone would sell from Amazon then becoming the one of the big brand like SpinFit…

Do you not find a hint of spiciness in upper range harmonics like on strings, brass, and some female vocals? Sometimes, I'm finding just a little too much bite at my preferred volume.

Hmm, if you find EA500’s stock filter fine, 41T is less brighter than EA500 by 20% in my perceived treble energy.

It is less likely that you’d find a spiciness in brass and strings, or female vocal’s edgy notes.

 

[PhonoPhi]

I haven’t listened to Serial, so can’t comment.

Vulkan: from memory, I would say yes and no.

• No, they don't differ significantly because (1) neither have that kind of Sony XM4 headphone consumer "Xtra Bass" vibe (though the Legato certainly tip-toes there at times) and (2) both can produce that illusion of bass resonance /decay across the soundstage. For instance, when you listen to the iconic opening of Hotel California, something like Blessing 2 would produce clear kicks, but not strong "brrrm" resonance at the release / decay side of the kicks. Both Legato and Vulkan produces that illusion of the bass rumbling out and across the stage. Another IEM doing this, in my memory, is FiiO FH9.
• Yes, they differ significantly because Legato has much more bass. I mean sheer bass, not the upper bass / lower mid that makes the muddy "umm ummm" sound. Just sheer 60Hz and 125Hz bass.

Btw, @FranQL: I have just A/B Legato with my E5000. I don't know what to tell you, the E5000 driven from my Shanling M6Ultra is less bass and ironically, less warm and dark than the Legato. In any case, I think you can just stay away from this whole sound signature altogether. I have strange feeling that if you dislike E5000, you will dislike Legato too.

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What should he say? If he loves something, he BS?



Since we are on the topic, even though I respect you and all that, I have to call BS on this one Your ears do peak and valley, regardless of whether you know it or not. It's physics. Just like Earth is not flat, regardless whether flat earthers (is that the word?) know it or not. Now whether you can relate that subjective impressions to the peak and valley is another question that requires constant geeking with graphs and EQs. (You know, scientific method, or as Richard Feynman says, "guess and test")



Let it burn! J/k. I didn't hear any change after letting them run by themselves for a day.

One trick is to wear them with a shallow fit. I think you tried to fit the IEM deep into the coupler (that small peak at 8.5kHz). All issues about soundstage width would be resolved with shallow fit, and the treble peaks would be brought down to audible region to reduce the darkness.


He is not wrong though. The whole comment.

I could ignore the ego-driven Nymphomaniac's reply, but I can't ignore yours, sorry!

How really ironic can it be that you call "BS" on my parody on "cable believers", while not really daring to "peep" on all that cable BS!
Your reviewer well-being would be in jeopardy, if you dare to try to do it, right? After all, cables are much more profitable than IEM - and it really drives all this insane "matching the perfect cable" nonsense..

You managed to evoke Richard Feynman. He would likely be totally appaled by all this cable nonsense, such a mind-boggling disregard of the most basic physics, those cable-"BSer" "audiophiles "would be a totally lost group to him... - cable "reviewers", how unbelievably ridiculous would it be to him!

I came late tonight from judging a student science innovation competition. Going there, I was quite a bit sceptical about business prevailing over science, given that other judges were business professors. Yet, the great ideas, good science prevailed!
The person, who got the first prize was missing their presenting partner, made through the case limitedly eloquent, but the concept, the science, the arguments were there to triumph! It made my day (well, late night), so there may be still a hope, even if it is not with audiophiles, and definitely less so with the reviewers of free samples, surviving (the evolution of the most adaptable) by living quietly/complacently with such blatant BS...

P. S. Throwing the stones from the glass house feels like your "business/reviewer" case here.

 

[chickenmoon]

Crinacle's E5000 graph has both compensated and raw measurement curves:

https://crinacle.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/E5000-1536x708.jpg

Maybe @baskingshark mesurement is compensated as it would surprise me unit variations or hardware setup would show as much difference as we see in the graphs posted a couple of pages ago.

My own raw measurement is very much like the raw crinacle measurement with the exception I have a small dip at about 1.4 kHz.

 

[FreeWheelinAudioLuv2]

Soo….finallly!!

My ears weren’t broken.
A familiar looking style FR of SR5 by Akros (Tony)


Nice tuning right?

More than just nice tuning. I've come to the realization that after adding the BlackSoul and JVC Spiral Dots, that the SR5 is actually my favorite IEM. Yeah. Even more so that the IE600. Absolutely in love with the bass response and those crisp cutting mids. Just an amazing piece of hardware for $149.00.

 

[W0lrince]

@AmericanSpirit i think the SR5 that you found is actually real, i found one iem that graph similar to your SR8! It's only 1300yuan = 190usd with 6ba both side

Link
Also i found this Etymotic Inear style

Link 399 = around 60-70ish and even have private model if you want to!
I really need an isolate iem to gaming so i guess i might try to buy this etymotic with switches, still haven't figure out how yet

 

[o0genesis0o]

I could ignore the ego-driven Nymphomaniac's reply, but I can't ignore yours, sorry!

How really ironic can it be that you call "BS" on my parody on "cable believers", while not really daring to "peep" on all that cable BS!
Your reviewer well-being would be in jeopardy, if you dare to try to do it, right? After all, cables are much more profitable than IEM - and it really drives all this insane "matching the perfect cable" nonsense..

You managed to evoke Richard Feynman. He would likely be totally appaled by all this cable nonsense, such a mind-boggling disregard of the most basic physics, those cable-"BSer" "audiophiles "would be a totally lost group to him... - cable "reviewers", how unbelievably ridiculous would it be to him!

I came late tonight from judging a student science innovation competition. Going there, I was quite a bit sceptical about business prevailing over science, given that other judges were business professors. Yet, the great ideas, good science prevailed!
The person, who got the first prize was missing their presenting partner, made through the case limitedly eloquent, but the concept, the science, the arguments were there to triumph! It made my day (well, late night), so there may be still a hope, even if it is not with audiophiles, and definitely less so with the reviewers of free samples, surviving (the evolution of the most adaptable) by living quietly/complacently with such blatant BS...

P. S. Throwing the stones from the glass house feels like your "business/reviewer" case here.

What I said had nothing to do with cable or Mr. Nympho at all. I was talking especially and only about your statement that your ears don't do peaks and valleys. My point is, they do. As you always say, it's physics. Whether you realise peaks and valleys or whether you can relate peaks and valleys to subjective listening experience is another problem. The link between peaks and valleys of the response in your ears to the subjective experience can be form by "guess and test" (a.k.a., scientific method). For someone who upholds science as the G-O-single-D (you), the statement "my ears don't do peaks and valleys" make me want to poke fun at you. It was first and fore most a harmless "poke" at least that's what I think when I poked you

Speaking of Prof. Feynman, I imagined if he were an audiophile, he would do the guess and test, even though the physics says "no way there is any difference." Here is how I imagine he would approach the problem:

• Guess (hypothesis): there is a difference.
• Null hypothesis: no difference at all.
• Independent variable: a few cables, from dirt cheap and poor to the ones people praise
• Dependent variable: "sound quality" (however he can define that term to quantify and measure it is a different issue)
• Instrumentation: depending on how he quantify the dependent variable. I doubt he uses an oscilloscope or multi meter, because those instruments do not measure the dependent variables above. Maybe he would use coupler of some kind. Or maybe he would conduct human study instead
• Experiment design: likely double blinded tests.
• Conclusion: statistical hypothesis test.

Or maybe he is even smarter and realise that perhaps it's psychological and just enjoy some shiny braided cables instead.

Btw, jeopardy what? Certain company might already blacklisted me for rating their budget offering as "average". If the game is getting free stuffs, it was stupid of me to stand by my score and argue with them until the end that the score was right and I would not change my ranking scheme to do 4 and 5 stars for everything because "good for the price". No fancy IEMs samples and cables for me

Speaking of cable, a friend sold me his cable for the U12T recently. I have never seen or touched a nicer cable. Would save up to buy some more in the future.

 

[s2kphile]

Its here and im thoroughly impressed with the build quality, accessories, packaging and stock cable. I dont feel like cable rolling because the stock cable synergizes so well and looks amazing; furthermore, its sounds well tuned. If you honestly asked me I would have thought this would sell for $400-$500 USD but at $130 USD from Aliexpress, its a steal.

Other big brands should watch out aka 64audio U4S and EA GAEA. Why spend $1,000 USD when you spend 1/10th the cost and get great sound and have left over money for a DAP and/or another IEM that had a different sound signature?

More A/B to SR05 & the very marketed GAEA 4+1.

 

[W0lrince]

Got it!

Hmm goofish is a jungle.
I see SR5-ish Sound Rhyme 4+1 going for 300CNY = 43USD and that maybe a total fake

Looks like SR5, spec says 9.6mmDD+2knowles mid and 1 composit knowles, so that must be 2BA composite SWFK 31736.. but shell’s faceplate different from the one we know.

Maybe SR5’s Chinese cousin.


Also JUZEAR’s V5 is going for 900CNY =129USD. I‘ve only see $270USD for V5.

And JUZEAR’s 51T which I never heard of.


Hmm feels like a dungeon there, Take Risk and buy smart or rely on bigger distributor.

You can find 51t on taobao too Link

Just realize Juzear is actually MC headset that we have talked long time ago!
Edit: feel like i should have considering all random chifi can be good..

 

[emdeevee]

I'm half-way finished with my Vocal review...............needless to say, I'm totally amazed!

These Penon cables seem to have something very special indeed. I have also just ordered a Vocal...the price is too low for it to compete with my Leo Plus, or Space for that matter. But reading its config and knowing the weird magic they get with exotic materials, I had to go for it.

 

[o0genesis0o]

Its here and im thoroughly impressed with the build quality, accessories, packaging and stock cable. I dont feel like cable rolling because the stock cable synergizes so well and looks amazing; furthermore, its sounds well tuned. If you honestly asked me I would have thought this would sell for $400-$500 USD but at $130 USD from Aliexpress, its a steal.

Other big brands should watch out aka 64audio U4S and EA GAEA. Why spend $1,000 USD when you spend 1/10th the cost and get great sound and have left over money for a DAP and/or another IEM that had a different sound signature?

More A/B to SR05 & the very marketed GAEA 4+1.

I'll believe that these can match the upper echelon when I hear one, though I anxiously wait for new finds by you and @AmericanSpirit to see promising options.

Get a good DAP to go with a good IEM is a good idea, though. Not a logical choice at all (DAP), but it does not always have to be logical.

Btw, I found that HiBy Zeta is way better than Gaea at the same price. Unoffensive tuning and truely high-end technical performance (4EST). 1DD + 4BA for $1300 is a bit steep for the Gaea.

 

[ExTubeGamer]

More than just nice tuning. I've come to the realization that after adding the BlackSoul and JVC Spiral Dots, that the SR5 is actually my favorite IEM. Yeah. Even more so that the IE600. Absolutely in love with the bass response and those crisp cutting mids. Just an amazing piece of hardware for $149.00.

A cable swap and good use of EQ turns this IEM into an perfect piece of audio gear.

 

[Redcarmoose]

@emdeevee
I'm sure you may know of the SHOZY B2? Both the B2 and the EST50 came alive. Where Penon originally offered the B2 with the ISN SC4 cable, and while that totally works, this Vocal Cable has more meat on it, while still making the B2 open-up and transcend the bass overload that some cables do with it. The EST50 has me in actual tears today. Probably the first tears I have shed in at least 60 days over an IEM. But I don't have chill bumps much any more, maybe once a year?

Also I don't know why the EST50 is better now than when I first tried it? It may be the Vocal Cable burn-in? I'm just finishing-up my review and the EST50 never ever sounded so good. It's exactly like using the ISN SC4 with the EST50, only now it's filled out and gloriously interactive?