The discovery thread!

[chickenmoon]

Have you tried a pure copper cable with the SIMGOT EA500? I ended finding a smoother treble peak by using the $14.00 Hibiscus made by FAAEAL? Really any pure copper would probably work.

I'm not a cable believer but, as I have that FAAEAL Hibiscus cable, I guess it doesn't cost me anything to try it out on the EA500, right?

 

[Surf Monkey]

I hope they do some justice to old fashioned big bass. This is the Video where 7HZ discuss the concept behind the Legato. Makes a change to move away from the Harman graph. The video has a very noisy background, but explains the mind behind the sound profile. I hope I haven't already posted this on this thread.

I watched that. Very cool. I’m always interested in any set that deviates from Harmon. I have way too many Harmon sets already.

 

[Redcarmoose]

I'm not a cable believer but, as I have that FAAEAL Hibiscus cable, I guess it doesn't cost me anything to try it out on the EA500, right?

Well, if your an ear-tip believer maybe narrower nozzle ending openings would serve you better? But I found a slight solution both ways. But after discovering the Hibiscus I instantly went back to the included provided ear-tips. Now the thing is it doesn’t actually equalize the peak as it is still a slightly uneven example of treble, but most if not all of the actual heat was gone. I mean really I’m only 1/10th of my way into a review of the EA500, but I feel I have found a pretty good sound? The thing is I still need to do side-by-side comparisons, but yet the EA500 has become kind of a “dirty” guilty pleasure here at Redcarmoose Labs. Seemingly providing the lower midrange bump so loved by Rock. At the same time it does have a layer of smoothness that only becomes seen when that peak is diminished? Some are interpreting it more dark neutral with a vocal presence? It’s also going to be probably one IEM that will be controversial due to it being a breakthrough in a way for SIMGOT and how a person is personally going to either deal with the peak or just leave the peak. My attempt/attitude is to let the down-low area fall where it may, after you reduce the heat. I mean I hope you find a way in? Try some Sony dual density EX11 ear-tips if the Hibiscus doesn’t work, that or try any pure copper cable you have laying around. I found two copper cables in fact adding the Han Sound ZENTOO into the mix. I haven’t tried it but the Han Sound (the original ZEN) ZEN 4-wire Litz OCC copper cable would work wonders too! The two cables are almost identical!

 

[AmericanSpirit]

The 8 kHz peak is probably an artefact resonance peak of the coupler. Give and take if you deduct 3 dB from that peak, that should be the actual value on actual listening. Which still looks quite violent even after deduction though. Sibilance galore!

SR5‘s tuning isn’t violent or sibilant at all, Bravery, Blessing2, Anole VX, Neon Pro, N5005, EA500 or even HEXA have much more energy than SR5 for treble, it’s better to try it yourself

 

[Redcarmoose]

I'm not a cable believer but, as I have that FAAEAL Hibiscus cable, I guess it doesn't cost me anything to try it out on the EA500, right?

Well, if your an ear-tip believer maybe narrower nozzle ending openings would serve you better. But I found a slight solution both ways. But after discovering the Hibiscus I instantly went back to the included provided ear-tips. Now the thing is it doesn’t actually equalize the peak as it is still a slightly uneven example of treble, but most if not all of the actual heat was gone. I mean really I’m only 1/10th of my way into a review of the EA500, but I feel I have found a pretty good sound? The thing is I still need to do side-by-side comparisons, but yet the EA500 has become kind of a “dirty” guilty pleasure here at Redcarmoose Labs. Seemingly providing the lower midrange bump so loved by Rock. At the same time it does have a layer of smoothness that only becomes seen when that peak is diminished? Some are interpreting it more dark neutral with a vocal presence? It’s also going to be probably one IEM that will be controversial due to it being a breakthrough in a way for SIMGOT and how a person is personally going to either deal with the peak or just leave the peak. My attempt/attitude is to let the down-low area fall where it may, after you reduce the heat. I mean I hope you find a way in? Try some Sony dual density EX11 ear-tips if the Hibiscus doesn’t work, that or try any pure copper cable you have laying around. I found two copper cables in fact adding the Han Sound ZENTOO into the mix. I haven’t tried it but the Han Sound ZEN 4-wire Litz OCC copper cable would work wonders too!

Report back either way! The smaller opening ear-tip may work too. But I found the Hibiscus to be slightly less clear than the Han Sound ZENTOO? I mean it’s always been that way? It may be a bias as the Hibiscus was $14 and the ZENTOO was $160, both have 4.4mm plugs. But they also increase the bass smoothness (and bass replay amount over the included cable) with the Han Sound ZENTOO being slightly better defined?

Still with the Hibiscus, I was like. “This is amazing!” Lol

The difference here is we are looking for a diminishing of treble and that may be easier to hear than an additive sound response like a soundstage bump or midrange enhancement?

 

[o0genesis0o]

SR5‘s tuning isn’t violent or sibilant at all, Bravery, Blessing2, Anole VX, Neon Pro, N5005, EA500 or even HEXA have much more energy than SR5 for treble, it’s better to try it yourself

The blanket statement like "too much highs" or "too much energy in treble" or "violent tuning", IMHO, does not convey enough information to get the point across, thus people would argue from different interpretations that might both be correct.

From the graph, SR5 has big dip in 5-6kHz, and its ear-gain is less than 10dB, so it's likely not shouty and not "trebly" either, thus, other options might have "much more energy"

At the same time, all energy pushing into 8kHz after a big dip around 6kHz might lead to nasty treble glares if the musical note hits just right, thus "violent." Or, it can be "sparkly", just like the old Andromeda with treble peaks.

I hope they do some justice to old fashioned big bass. This is the Video where 7HZ discuss the concept behind the Legato. Makes a change to move away from the Harman graph. The video has a very noisy background, but explains the mind behind the sound profile. I hope I haven't already posted this on this thread.

I'm looking forward to compare these against the ancient Final Audio E5000. If it can achieve the big bass sound without the insane source requirement of E5000, it's a big win for me.

Speaking of E5000, I'm now convinced that if you haven't listened to these on high gain with desktop amp, you haven't listened to them at all. But at the end of the day, it's Final Audio's fault for designing an IEM so insensitive that you need desktop headphone amp to run properly.

 

[AmericanSpirit]

The blanket statement like "too much highs" or "too much energy in treble" or "violent tuning", IMHO, does not convey enough information to get the point across, thus people would argue from different interpretations that might both be correct.

From the graph, SR5 has big dip in 5-6kHz, and its ear-gain is less than 10dB, so it's likely not shouty and not "trebly" either, thus, other options might have "much more energy"

At the same time, all energy pushing into 8kHz after a big dip around 6kHz might lead to nasty treble glares if the musical note hits just right, thus "violent." Or, it can be "sparkly", just like the old Andromeda with treble peaks.



I'm looking forward to compare these against the ancient Final Audio E5000. If it can achieve the big bass sound without the insane source requirement of E5000, it's a big win for me.

Speaking of E5000, I'm now convinced that if you haven't listened to these on high gain with desktop amp, you haven't listened to them at all. But at the end of the day, it's Final Audio's fault for designing an IEM so insensitive that you need desktop headphone amp to run properly.

That explanation is pretty concise yet I haven’t experienced any notes to hit violent moment though. As Anole VX has higher gain levels from 8-9kh across whole 1000hz range, I don’t frequently see anyone claim VX as “violent”. SR has lessor regions for treble resolution peak than VX, so it is less likely someone may feel violated to my impression. The little peak is translated to diffusion field and resolution, and hardly become offensive.

Anyway, it’s very nicely tuned and I’m looking forward for your measurements

 

[o0genesis0o]

That explanation is pretty concise yet I haven’t experienced any notes to hit violent moment though. As Anole VX has higher gain levels from 8-9kh across whole 1000hz range, I don’t frequently see anyone claim VX as “violent”. SR has lessor regions for treble resolution peak than VX, so it is less likely someone may feel violated to my impression. The little peak is translated to diffusion field and resolution, and hardly become offensive.

Anyway, it’s very nicely tuned and I’m looking forward for your measurements

It’s unlikely I will review that unit, so living vicariously through you

 

[AmericanSpirit]

Moondrop Droplet on sale for $38.99, I’ve purchased couple of IEMs from this store, it shall be pretty safe.

https://a.aliexpress.com/_m07GUTy

 

[Zachik]

So... 7Hz Legato with its 2 x DD or Penon Serial with 3 x DD?
Anyone A/B'd those 2 IEMs by any chance?

 

[lushmelody]

So... 7Hz Legato with its 2 x DD or Penon Serial with 3 x DD?
Anyone A/B'd those 2 IEMs by any chance?

Legato is definetely basshead niche. A 3DD valid for comparison would be UM 3DT I think

 

[Redcarmoose]

Just a guess the Serial will end-up more neutral?

So... 7Hz Legato with its 2 x DD or Penon Serial with 3 x DD?
Anyone A/B'd those 2 IEMs by any chance?

 

[Zachik]

Legato is definetely basshead niche. A 3DD valid for comparison would be UM 3DT I think

Hmmm....
UM 3DT for $399 (3DD)
Penon Serial for $299 (3DD)
7Hz Legato for $109 (2DD)

I would LOVE to compare all 3. Hope someone else already did

 

[AmericanSpirit]

Looks very nicely tuned! Less than 10db gain peaks, wow so it’s very close to Softears Ceberus then

Just noticed Junzi (gentlemen) changed their logo on the faceplate fron Junear to Juzear For this March 2023 model. Maybe tuning got some minor updates too.

 

[AmericanSpirit]

Deserves to come out if they have lied about specs, not first time it has been lied on internals of IEMs. I don't really care myself, but let the truth be told.

Actually I have both wan’er and Encounter, I can do an A-B test later

Encounter sounds more technical than Wan’er from my memory, A-B test can reveal it pretty quick.