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Jun 8, 2020 at 1:17 PM Post #47,596 of 101,168
Tdk-mt300 :)
Directly from the future.
**** MT-300

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Jun 8, 2020 at 1:50 PM Post #47,597 of 101,168
Directly from the future.
**** MT-300

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That is supposed to have DD + BA (knowles) + electrostatic driver at only 175 usd. No idea if the electostat is legit or if its a magnetostat like the Shuoer Tape. The electrostat is from "TDK" no idea what that is.
 
Jun 8, 2020 at 2:07 PM Post #47,599 of 101,168
Got these in today...



Elecom's GrandBass wireless neckband style earphones. It is neckband since the pods rest on the neck above the clavicles, not hanging and bouncing around. Again solid value for a lower price. ~$50 and tries to pack in everything you might want. Lightweight at 14 grams, BT5.0 class1, SBC/AAC/aptX/aptX LL, iPhone camera shutter control, music sharing(can connect to two phones at the same time), new hourglass shape housing and two position post for nozzle length adjustment. Keeping it small and light and using normal drivers instead of optimized for BT ones does keep the battery at 5 hours but the trade off kinda has to be made esp. at the price.

They basically took the GrandBass GB1000 and made it into a wireless....

...but improved it where it needed to be improved. Same 12mm 3 layer driver PEEK + TPU + PEEK diaphragms but built with a new dual chamber housing around it and the driver's front cap changed to balance the sound away more from the bass end.

From the 5 hole cap to...

...multiple holes radiating the edge with a bigger center treble hole. They also took the Bass boost feature from before and added a second one so it goes Flat > Bass1 > Bass2 so you have 2 levels of boost now. I found an iPhone measured F.R. of the three modes...

Looks done right and I can confirm those graphs by ear are pretty much spot on. One nicely balanced but not lacking Off/Flat setting, one fun boost that is punchy but not over done, and one boomer for the bassheads. Mids a bit forward off and they drop a bit with each of the next 2 settings and that treble peak is nice to always keep some sparkle and those cymbals in the mix.

So far, light, great fit and comfort. Haven't settled on tips just yet. Most likely M Earfits. Stock are probably better changed to wider bore than the stock ones. Comfy tips solid black tips not the hybrid type. Sound is pretty great. A large circle very even in terms of width, height, and depth. Nice air so not thick but spaced out where things can breath. No boost applied they are delightfully mid forward with an even bass foundation and the right amount of treble sparkle with good detail across the board. Bass is already quite tight and well separated out and even from sub to low to midbass and hi-midbass. A good sounding earphone even if a GB model since the GrandBass can be added in and in the two levels.

I think it still has the Koss-like sound with a bit more treble to it and not just one model you kind of have a KSC75 in the off setting and the Porta on the Bass1 setting. Also reminds me of the CNT1 which was a bass model with filters. Don't have that one anymore but the Elecom has an extra setting than the two filters and strikes me as capable of being more balanced and just flat out better sounding unless you put a really nice cable on the Semkarch. The Bass2 mode is most like the original GB1000 but with more forward and apparent mids and treble.

Ticks a lot of the boxes. The comfort, sound, and features for the price makes them a winner esp. in the budget wireless category. Seen other models turn into wireless and be the same thing for $25 or $30 more esp. if paying Qualcomm for aptX. They took the GB1000, improved the sound a noticeable degree, improved the fit and comfort by miles, improved the looks, and turned it wireless with aptX and features for the same price the wired model used to be.

I did get around to doing an early test. Not fair but a show me what you can do thing. I pitted two from the price bracket vs. the Elecom. Vsonic VS3 and Simgot MT3 vs. the Elecom. The handicap was less than 10 hours on the GrandBass and wireless SBC from a Ruizu player so not aptX vs the two wired models running out of my Cowon with the right tips and favorable EQ. Cowon is Cirrus 43131 DAC set to fast/low latency. Elecom would beat both with all three set to no EQ. Still beats the Vsonic no doubt even with the brighter cleaner EQ added. Suspect the Simgot is the same 10mm Titanium in the EN700(non Pro) with a new housing and lower quality cable. It does jump up over the Vsonic sounding quite a bit better but it only matches the Elecom. I may prefer the Elecom bass. I'm sure with aptX and some run in it will at least edge ahead by a neck. MP3 player do vary in BT sound with the chips they use. So going to a Qualcomm should be better in general plus adding a good aptX implementation. Can really play in the $100 range even w/o wires.

Was touted here in a similar way... https://av.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/news/1197469.html
"Listen to the sound of LBT-GB41
It is a model that cuts 10,000 yen, but it is possible to play bass firmly as you can not imagine from the price. It is a low range with a rich sense of quantity and sound pressure, but at the same time, it is tightened, and a tight, sharp depiction is realized. Ducts and semi-open structures seem to work. Because the low range does not swell too much, the clearness of the mid-to-high range is maintained, and it is an earphone that can enjoy the description rich in information."...but can't give credence to unless I hear it for myself. Though I was not expecting to be disappointed with my other Elecom experience and hearing the potential, though missed, of the previous wired model.
 
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Jun 8, 2020 at 5:08 PM Post #47,600 of 101,168
That should be interesting. How does it sound? Can we have FR graph of these?

This image is on their official Taobao store's MT300 product page.

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Jun 8, 2020 at 5:11 PM Post #47,601 of 101,168
This image is on their official Taobao store's MT300 product page.

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Oh crap, that sub bass looks quite rolled off and the treble might be peaky.
 
Jun 8, 2020 at 5:18 PM Post #47,603 of 101,168
Oh crap, that sub bass looks quite rolled off and the treble might be peaky.

Yep, **** is not a master of tuning unless you like cleaner and more flat by rolling the bass. I think it will be awhile till they do more than tune bass out or add impedance to do their tuning. A true good job of tuning with tightening the bass but not losing extension and proper impact from the low end is most likely a driam with this one. Get your EQ's ready :)
 
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Jun 8, 2020 at 9:41 PM Post #47,606 of 101,168
I have noticed over the past few years that in the chi-fi world, new tech is first implemented by **** and then other chifi companies start using it. For example their planar iems MT100 if I'm not mistaken, even some Piezo stuff.
 
Jun 8, 2020 at 10:31 PM Post #47,607 of 101,168
That's a weird FR graph... I don't understand these guys.

their MT100's curve from their product page is as flat as a railway

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it's one of my most favorite (and most neutral) sounding IEM though, even though BGGAR puts it in the most bottom barrel of his list.
it's one of those IEM that sounds great and don't hurt my ears even with louder than usual volume
 
Jun 9, 2020 at 5:00 AM Post #47,609 of 101,168
What is the orb’s sub-bass like? Roll off?
 
Jun 9, 2020 at 5:35 AM Post #47,610 of 101,168
What is the orb’s sub-bass like? Roll off?
Comparing to the H40, it is significantly better with more depth and punch. There is reduced mid-bass. However, for tracks that require mid-bass slam, I will still go for the H40. Cheers!
 
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