AmericanSpirit
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RikudouGoku
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imagine spending all that money on R&D to make something sound worthy of that price tag, then says it NEEDS 300/500 hours of burn in, (to presumably make it sound "better") why the **** wouldnt THEY just burn it in for you?
you would imagine that they want to utilize every way to make it sound as good as they can for first impressions...
If you are spending 1,5k on something and they are telling you it isnt actually "finished" because it needs "burn in", thats a ****ing scam....
Goodbye warranty time I guess.
r31ya
Headphoneus Supremus
It's well proven that LCP driver sounds good when the warranty time passed,imagine spending all that money on R&D to make something sound worthy of that price tag, then says it NEEDS 300/500 hours of burn in, (to presumably make it sound "better") why the **** wouldnt THEY just burn it in for you?
you would imagine that they want to utilize every way to make it sound as good as they can for first impressions...
If you are spending 1,5k on something and they are telling you it isnt actually "finished" because it needs "burn in", thats a ****ing scam....
Goodbye warranty time I guess.
r31ya
Headphoneus Supremus
boosted subbass but lack of midbass, clean sounding on the rest of fr... yeah thats crins alright.
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btw, Droplet without DSP have rather flat bass response. (Hifri modding and graph)
Seems Droplet could have sibling who have sound sig very close to IEF neutral.
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Redcarmoose
Headphoneus Supremus
Audiophiles are a very special breed, in that they would walk 4 miles to drink sour lemonade if they thought it would make their music sound better. I personally believe in burn-in....but if someone doesn’t that’s their own business, I don’t try and sway them either way. Ultimately we have each our own path in this, and ultimately it really depends on what you believe in. If it’s not burn-in, then it’s something else. There is probably 100 (audiophile) things you do that has the same crazy appearance to someone else. Heck, most normal people would be fine with one $40.00 pair of IEMs.
Why would they have to burn it in for you? If you want it, you simply buy it. If you don’t believe in burn-in, you don’t. But they recommend it? Many manufacturers believe in burn-in, it’s no big deal, unless somehow you make it an issue? Sony states that their DAPs need a certain amount of burn-in, even Woo Audio states there amps require burn-in. If you don’t do it, that’s fine, but it is recommended by the manufacturer, same as they are doing here.
Why would they have to burn it in for you? If you want it, you simply buy it. If you don’t believe in burn-in, you don’t. But they recommend it? Many manufacturers believe in burn-in, it’s no big deal, unless somehow you make it an issue? Sony states that their DAPs need a certain amount of burn-in, even Woo Audio states there amps require burn-in. If you don’t do it, that’s fine, but it is recommended by the manufacturer, same as they are doing here.
imagine spending all that money on R&D to make something sound worthy of that price tag, then says it NEEDS 300/500 hours of burn in, (to presumably make it sound "better") why the **** wouldnt THEY just burn it in for you?
you would imagine that they want to utilize every way to make it sound as good as they can for first impressions...
If you are spending 1,5k on something and they are telling you it isnt actually "finished" because it needs "burn in", thats a ****ing scam....
Goodbye warranty time I guess.
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AmericanSpirit
Member of the Trade: Night Oblivion
I guess 30 hours or 50 is acceptable for mass production models, but even AFUL is burning in their $200 P5 before shipping, I’d say it’s sloppy to let users do a 500 hour part of manufacturing process for $1,500 high-end models.
But you also got the point “buy or no buy“ is tossed to buyer’s decision. It just feels silly to me that manufacturers claims for such long period of burn-in for presumably their TOTL grade, if burn-in is required, that $1500 price tag shall included at least 400hrs of jobs done, and let users do their industry standard 100hrs.
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Redcarmoose
Headphoneus Supremus
Well, you have to remember that the actual IEM builders are audiophiles, at times. I have a log on my main profile page of all the stuff I have burned in. And it is maybe excessive at times? But a perfect example was the Penon Serial. That IEM has 3 DDs and there is a difference in sound from 5 days of burn-in to 7 days of burn-in. So at times it’s mandatory I feel? But at times I will burn-in less, especially If I don’t hear any further changes. But I will do what ever the manufacturer wants me to do as far as burn-in. Your right though the main change is at 50 to 100 hours a lot of the time, I think?
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chickenmoon
1000+ Head-Fier
A bit late to the party, I thought I'd check out some Truthear gear, and the Zero and Hola arrived this morning. Early impressions and likely final verdict is that I like the Hola a lot and dislike the Zero quite a bit.
On the EA500 front, I have removed the bolts next to the back vents and perhaps it increases the bass quantity a bit, by very little however if it's not placebo.
I had another £100 to burn left for this month and so I bought a Jade/FiiO JD7 and a Reecho SG03s just before Ali sale ended, I have no self-control...
On the EA500 front, I have removed the bolts next to the back vents and perhaps it increases the bass quantity a bit, by very little however if it's not placebo.
I had another £100 to burn left for this month and so I bought a Jade/FiiO JD7 and a Reecho SG03s just before Ali sale ended, I have no self-control...
Redcarmoose
Headphoneus Supremus
Those bolts hold the EA500 together? Is that a thing to do now?
chickenmoon
1000+ Head-Fier
Do they? Nothing fell apart that's for sure. Anyway, as change was so minimal as to possibly be placebo, I've screwed them back in. Still have to try out the Hibiscus cable but I'm enraptured by the Hola now so it'll have to wait.
Promised no more cheap purchases ended up with Tin HiFi C2 during the sale, got some inside information about them being very good with Tanchjim Oxygen Filters. Also quite indestructible, I stepped on pair Truthear Zero that was not so lucky last week at work 
hoping the metal build help some
hoping the metal build help some
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Redcarmoose
Headphoneus Supremus
@https://www.head-fi.org/members/chickenmoon.465311/
Well, the whole thing (I think) about that product is reducing vibration. Unwanted vibrations! This is all speculation so it wasn’t in my review. But yes, they have screwed the two sides together with those screws. But there may be some glue too? There is a number of places inside that build where they use glue. The main driver is encapsulated in a black plastic shell (and glued) then the negative terminal is marked not the positive one like normal. The 2Pin (socket) is a sold work of art, they molded the metal frame to hold the 2Pin receiver by having these indentation shapes. No fear of the 2Pin ever falling inside with that one! There is really a lot of detail in the EA500 build!
But after those screws are taken out, you can open the two sides of the shell with just your fingers.
Well, the whole thing (I think) about that product is reducing vibration. Unwanted vibrations! This is all speculation so it wasn’t in my review. But yes, they have screwed the two sides together with those screws. But there may be some glue too? There is a number of places inside that build where they use glue. The main driver is encapsulated in a black plastic shell (and glued) then the negative terminal is marked not the positive one like normal. The 2Pin (socket) is a sold work of art, they molded the metal frame to hold the 2Pin receiver by having these indentation shapes. No fear of the 2Pin ever falling inside with that one! There is really a lot of detail in the EA500 build!
But after those screws are taken out, you can open the two sides of the shell with just your fingers.
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This is an interesting loophole, it's only possible because enough people believe burn-in is real.imagine spending all that money on R&D to make something sound worthy of that price tag, then says it NEEDS 300/500 hours of burn in, (to presumably make it sound "better") why the **** wouldnt THEY just burn it in for you?
you would imagine that they want to utilize every way to make it sound as good as they can for first impressions...
If you are spending 1,5k on something and they are telling you it isnt actually "finished" because it needs "burn in", thats a ****ing scam....
Goodbye warranty time I guess.
audiophilia is filled with so much bullschitt, from cables to burn-in to shaving the edges of CDs to make them "sound better"
I kid you not:
Btw, how are finding the FLO Lily so far? I’m really liking the overall tonality (good, present midrange; adequate bass - no bass bleed into mids; wide enough headstage)with these KB Ear small bore, long nozzle ear tips inserted deep in my ears. Seem to bring out more sparkle to my ears. The fizzy treble is never harsh and sibilant, and as an added benefit isolation is pretty good. On another note they seem to measure closely to the Audiosense DT100, which apparently has a Knowles BA if I’m not mistaken. The Lily is supposed be a custom BA?Haha thanks!
But jokes aside, Droplet really has a “Master tuning” in treble region.
I’m liking Droplet over HEXA/HOLA/TE ZERO /7Hz Zero the recent vocal focused VDSF family tuning ones.
As Droplet didn’t run away from sibilance zone by dipping, they went straight ahead without being sounding sibilant and retained crisp and accurate imaging. Even RSV had to dip 10khz which Droplet went straight ahead. And that’s why I‘m confident enough to see mighty ER4 can rest now as Droplet successfully took the path of single BA that Ety has cultivated.
By adopting a Stock foam ear tips & internal acoustic chamber with combination of Open air BA, Moondrop is able to tame “metallic“ BA timbre and diffusion expressions, with extremely high treble timbral accuracy which benefits Droplet to achieve TOTL class imaging.
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