The discovery thread!

[r31ya]

I ordered the CCA EST but have no idea what it's called lol Can someone remind me the official name? Though honestly, i'll probably just keep calling it the CCA EST?

CCA NRA?

The new KZ/CCA Driver, Triple magnetic Dynamic Driver and "Electrostatic" Driver which apparently its a Magnetostat driver?

 

[FreeWheelinAudioLuv2]

CCA NRA?


The new KZ/CCA Driver, Triple magnetic Dynamic Driver and "Electrostatic" Driver which apparently its a Magnetostat driver?

Thank you! CCA NRA. That's it.

 

[AmericanSpirit]

1clearhead said:

I just received bad news, but hopefully I'll share some good news as well...

So, let's start with the bad news, first...
Earlier today in China, a representative from Bamboo Forest Bird (BFB) wrote to me that the owner decided that it is best for him to focus and sell the BFB LARK and BFB AMAZING in China. Then, he'll decide whether to start selling them next year overseas through Aliexpress. I tried my best to convince him, but he doesn't seem to budge. So, it seems to me that they're such a new and small company that he's still learning the trade of marketing and he might be too afraid to make such a quick move.

Now, hopefully the good news...
I am going to write to Penon Audio and see if they can somehow convince the BFB company to sell their products through them. So, fingers crossed! I hope they can communicate and work something out with each other after my letter so that they can get the BFB LARK and BFB AMAZING on the road!

I'll keep you and everyone else that's interested updated on the news from both Penon Audio and BFB talks!

NOTE: For those not willing to wait, you can always get them through Taobao globally by either a Chinese agent or get a Chinese friend to order them for you.

Reviews for the BFB Lark: If you want to see the many positive Chinese reviews for the LARK, please check out the link below…
PARTNER: NEXT DOOR LAO WANG DIGITAL STORE
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z09.2.0.0.61f32e8dfMo4x9&id=630361708941&_u=7206rtltraf0ef

OFFICIAL: BAMBOO FOREST BIRD TAOBAO STORE
https://shop230644266.taobao.com/index.htm?spm=2013.1.w5002-23641726725.2.66b7780494ymWW


-Clear


@trumpethead,

Well, so far I haven't received any response from Penon Audio, though they may still be in talks with Bamboo Forest Bird company. I hope they can come to a conclusion and sell them through Penon Audio, but it's out of my hands now. The sound quality, especially the BFB LARKS are mind-boggling to me. I never heard such sub-bass with deep excursion come from any 6mm in my experience with micro DD's. Even though I have many more expensive and budget worthy IEM's to my library, it's ridiculous how I end up giving the BFB LARK more play time because of their awesome and very easy to listen to coherent and natural sounding signature. Nothing in its unique sound is offensive and it's the only one that sounds like a hybrid, but without any internal hybrid-like units inside. It's like hearing EST drivers inside, and this is all coming out of 6mm micro DD's. Personally, it is just outstanding in my honest and personal experience. The graph IMHO says it all...

Further more, if I get any email from Penon Audio, I'll give you a heads up and also those that are interested in the BFB LARKS as well.

-Clear

The chart looks nice and considering the numbers of taobao reviews, pretty sure that’s a good new discovery for international market. Hope penon could convince the BFB and establish the distribution channel!

I looked at taobao and first thing they asked is account id which requires mainland China’s phone number. Surely there would be some backdoors but nah, too “Mafan”, hope we could purchase the IEM by ideally 2 clicks.

 

[AmericanSpirit]

I ordered the CCA EST but have no idea what it's called lol Can someone remind me the official name? Though honestly, i'll probably just keep calling it the CCA EST?

It’s called NRA, sounds like Natuonal Rifle Association lol

 

[14christ]

It’s called NRA, sounds like Natuonal Rifle Association lol

That's exactly what I was thinking too.

 

[earmonger]

I saw that graph you did on that set you got. That was most definitely a defective unit.

I am actually eager to see what they can do with their follow up the GK100 I hope they can tune them better. Was hoping they would stick to BAs vs using Piezos. Can't say I am a fan of Piezos.

Frankly I would like to see the graph of Dsnuts' GK10 generated from Precogvision's equipment. It would be an apples-to-apples measurement and then we would know if the dispute is about QC or tuning.

Heck, Dsnuts could audition Precog's set too; it's not like Precog is going to miss it. No one has to write another full review--just show the graph and leave some impressions. Think of it as a GK10 tour.

 

[Dsnuts]

His version was a borrowed set and they ended up damaging the driver with a poke in the vent. That was the end of that.

My set sound like what I am seeing here.

 

[earmonger]

I'm just saying that we deal with two things here on Head-Fi: physical objects and sensory perceptions.

A measurement, compared to other items measured on the same rig, can tell us about the physical object. Maybe every piece of measurement equipment has its own quirks but even those biases will be consistent across its own data.

If the physical objects are manufactured with consistent QC, then Head-Fi readers can posit that different units behave the same way. BUT if the QC is iffy, measurements will vary. A budget Chi-FI unit like the GK10 might well have shall we say variable QC.

If we know that the physical objects are generating the same measurements, we as readers can compare different observers' sensory perceptions. This is just like music critics or film critics or book critics; do we trust their taste, hate their taste, wonder What is in their minds?

Except for a tour, it is unfortunately rare that we can't compare the same exact physical object as measured by the same equipment, but perceived by different listeners. So send along that unit for the measurement. It's not a big investment.

 

[audio123]

lol, what? What is the basis of this argument?

"All I care about is whether or not the reviewer is still able to maintain their objectivity, and thus their integrity, in their reviews." You said it perfectly and better than I did. Well said.

Personally, I will not trust impressions from those without higher end gears. Let's not derail the thread anymore. If there is any criticism, just PM the user. Happy listening everyone.

 

[1clearhead]

The chart looks nice and considering the numbers of taobao reviews, pretty sure that’s a good new discovery for international market. Hope penon could convince the BFB and establish the distribution channel!

I looked at taobao and first thing they asked is account id which requires mainland China’s phone number. Surely there would be some backdoors but nah, too “Mafan”, hope we could purchase the IEM by ideally 2 clicks.

Yea, I hope Penon Audio gets in touch with them and kind of come up with some type of solution, since the new company hasn't ventured into overseas marketing yet. I tried to convince BFB's Chinese translator, but it seems they're being overly careful since they are freshly new. So, they want to play it safe and at least let a year, or two go by. Only time will tell.

...Right now, their partner store just past 4,000 sold BFB LARK's in sales. Crazy!

-Clear

 

[baskingshark]

1clearhead said:

I just received bad news, but hopefully I'll share some good news as well...

So, let's start with the bad news, first...
Earlier today in China, a representative from Bamboo Forest Bird (BFB) wrote to me that the owner decided that it is best for him to focus and sell the BFB LARK and BFB AMAZING in China. Then, he'll decide whether to start selling them next year overseas through Aliexpress. I tried my best to convince him, but he doesn't seem to budge. So, it seems to me that they're such a new and small company that he's still learning the trade of marketing and he might be too afraid to make such a quick move.

Now, hopefully the good news...
I am going to write to Penon Audio and see if they can somehow convince the BFB company to sell their products through them. So, fingers crossed! I hope they can communicate and work something out with each other after my letter so that they can get the BFB LARK and BFB AMAZING on the road!

I'll keep you and everyone else that's interested updated on the news from both Penon Audio and BFB talks!

NOTE: For those not willing to wait, you can always get them through Taobao globally by either a Chinese agent or get a Chinese friend to order them for you.

Reviews for the BFB Lark: If you want to see the many positive Chinese reviews for the LARK, please check out the link below…
PARTNER: NEXT DOOR LAO WANG DIGITAL STORE
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z09.2.0.0.61f32e8dfMo4x9&id=630361708941&_u=7206rtltraf0ef

OFFICIAL: BAMBOO FOREST BIRD TAOBAO STORE
https://shop230644266.taobao.com/index.htm?spm=2013.1.w5002-23641726725.2.66b7780494ymWW


-Clear


@trumpethead,

Well, so far I haven't received any response from Penon Audio, though they may still be in talks with Bamboo Forest Bird company. I hope they can come to a conclusion and sell them through Penon Audio, but it's out of my hands now. The sound quality, especially the BFB LARKS are mind-boggling to me. I never heard such sub-bass with deep excursion come from any 6mm in my experience with micro DD's. Even though I have many more expensive and budget worthy IEM's to my library, it's ridiculous how I end up giving the BFB LARK more play time because of their awesome and very easy to listen to coherent and natural sounding signature. Nothing in its unique sound is offensive and it's the only one that sounds like a hybrid, but without any internal hybrid-like units inside. It's like hearing EST drivers inside, and this is all coming out of 6mm micro DD's. Personally, it is just outstanding in my honest and personal experience. The graph IMHO says it all...

Further more, if I get any email from Penon Audio, I'll give you a heads up and also those that are interested in the BFB LARKS as well.

-Clear

Thanks for your efforts. More CHIFI brands coming to the west is a good thing for us consumers.

Though I have a feeling some of these smaller CHIFI company are more comfortable selling iems inside china rather than the west.

For one, the local domestic chinese market may prefer a different tuning than the west (in general). Like "female poison" boosted upper mids/treble is more popular domestically it seems, westerners may find it fatiguing and shouty.

Anyway the local chinese market is a potential pool of one billion or so population. I am not sure if we even have a hundred thousand rabid western fans outside china who crave for CHIFI. So from a business perspective the local domestic market share is definitely bigger and the companies will concentrate their efforts there.

 

[1clearhead]

Thanks for your efforts. More CHIFI brands coming to the west is a good thing for us consumers.

Though I have a feeling some of these smaller CHIFI company are more comfortable selling iems inside china rather than the west.

For one, the local domestic chinese market may prefer a different tuning than the west (in general). Like "female poison" boosted upper mids/treble is more popular domestically it seems, westerners may find it fatiguing and shouty.

Anyway the local chinese market is a potential pool of one billion or so population. I am not sure if we even have a hundred thousand rabid western fans outside china who crave for CHIFI. So from a business perspective the local domestic market share is definitely bigger and the companies will concentrate their efforts there.

But, that's what so crazy about these, they have incredible sub-bass rumble, MID's are so realistic (male and female alike), and the details are so inline on sounding like my SR MT300's with plenty of micro-details. I personally like the ambient and upper-range and details more than my A7's because timbre gets through in a more transparent and natural manner. Not like many micro DD's that can sound metallic in the upper-range, you'll get zero metallic-like sound here -Zero, zip, zilch, nada!

-Clear

 

[Vladimir 198]

https://m.facebook.com/groups/2386473901653225/permalink/2689516551348957/?refid=18&__tn__=-R interesting. CCZ Plumе seems to have fallen on her face in the mud.
better not open it your headphones !!!

 

[nymz]

7hz Timeless graph

 

[Vladimir 198]

7hz Timeless . I really like the schedule. And the big speaker is cute. Has anyone listened to this?
the reviews i99 are not overly impressive. But maybe 7hz Timeless is different?
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