Really? I had a little trouble with my dmg at first. The stock tips did not work for me even though it felt like I had a good seal. I wasn't getting the bass everyone was talking about and treble region was hot, too foward for me, I did not understand why people liked this iem so much. I tried some sony tips I had, bass was a little better but not as strong as I would like and the highs were still too strong. I was beginning to think I am treble sensitive or BA tech is not for me. I then put some spinfit cp100z tips, that was the ticket! Bass is thicker, fuller and highs are now nice and tamed. I am enjoying the dmg much more now. I am still testing them though. HBB did a good job with this rec. It is a very good, clear sounding iem with nothing really bad to complain about except they should have included a nice balanced cable. What is it about the secret garden that you liked over the bgvp dmg?