Testing audiophile claims and myths
May 31, 2022 at 7:35 AM Post #15,242 of 17,336
Nope, I really had no idea what these three letters meant, hence the question
How do you implement the AES digital input on your DACs if you don’t know what the AES is, or how to look it up and actually find the AES specifications? Not to mention all the other basic audio science/engineering published by them?

G

Edit: TBH, I’m more than a little shocked!
 
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May 31, 2022 at 8:01 AM Post #15,243 of 17,336
How do you implement the AES digital input on your DACs if you don’t know what the AES is, or how to look it up and actually find the AES specifications?

It's not me who has to know how to do these things, our engineers do that. I'm iFi's rep here on Head-fi.

G

Edit: TBH, I’m more than a little shocked!

Suffice it to say, I don't have to know what each acronym stands for. But I know of Audio Engineering Society :wink:
 
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May 31, 2022 at 8:12 AM Post #15,244 of 17,336
How do you implement the AES digital input on your DACs if you don’t know what the AES is, or how to look it up and actually find the AES specifications? Not to mention all the other basic audio science/engineering published by them?

G

Edit: TBH, I’m more than a little shocked!

Google gave me 4 links discussing 3 different meanings before giving me wikipedia for the encryption format, and there is simply no sign of ”our” AES in the first 3 pages of search for me unless I add ”audio” to the search and then get it instantly.
Beyond that, he just didn’t know what he didn’t know. Not much he could do about it. Acronyms are so overused here in France that you keep hearing the same ones in completely unrelated conversations. It’s a real PITA(not standing for: Paranormal Investigation Team of Atlanta).
 
May 31, 2022 at 8:51 AM Post #15,245 of 17,336
I'm iFi's rep here on Head-fi.
My bad, I obviously knew you are ifi’s rep here but I mistakenly thought you actually knew about the technicalities of ifi’s products. Most of the reps here seem to be the designers, engineers and/or owners.

G
 
May 31, 2022 at 1:06 PM Post #15,246 of 17,336
I mistakenly thought you actually knew about the technicalities of ifi’s products. Most of the reps here seem to be the designers, engineers and/or owners.

It's OK. Just to clarify, I know tech inside our (...and outher manufacturers') products to quite a degree, but that doesn't mean that I have to be familiar with every acronym, whether it's industry related or not. Hope this helps, thanks!
 
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May 31, 2022 at 1:31 PM Post #15,247 of 17,336
It's OK. Just to clarify, I know tech inside our (...and outher manufacturers') products to quite a degree, but that doesn't mean that I have to be familiar with every acronym, whether it's industry related or not. Hope this helps, thanks!
FYI, the AES/EBU digital input on iFi and AMR dacs was developed jointly by AES and EBU :gs1000smile: Don’t we all love acronyms
 
May 31, 2022 at 1:45 PM Post #15,248 of 17,336
FYI, the AES/EBU digital input on iFi and AMR dacs was developed jointly by AES and EBU :gs1000smile: Don’t we all love acronyms
I "believe" [1] that EBU adds the requirement for transformers at each end; that's not required by the AES standard alone but rather an addon from our European buddies (I have a lot of people on ignore so I may have missed if somebody said that EBU is European Broadcast Union.)

[1] obligatory "statement of belief" since we're in the sound science forum section :p
 
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May 31, 2022 at 1:45 PM Post #15,249 of 17,336
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May 31, 2022 at 1:47 PM Post #15,250 of 17,336
Jun 1, 2022 at 3:56 AM Post #15,252 of 17,336
EVERYBODY POUNCE!

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It isn't an acronym. It's an anagram for the ocean.
 
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Jun 1, 2022 at 6:46 AM Post #15,253 of 17,336
It is mind boggling to me why anyone would want to spend big money on cables. First of all, if there are audible differences, these differences are subtle at best, even the most die hard cable believer would agree on this. Yes there are (supposed) golden eared audiophiles, who supposedly can pick apart differences more easily, but they would still agree that those audible differences are way less obvious than differences between speakers, headphones, applying room treatment and applying EQ.
So why spend time and money on the least effective way of improving the sound?
 
Jun 1, 2022 at 7:37 AM Post #15,254 of 17,336
It is mind boggling to me why anyone would want to spend big money on cables.
You’ve answered your own question. For some audiophiles, spending big money on cables boggles their mind into believing they sound better.
First of all, if there are audible differences,
There aren’t though, differences are tiny and way, way below audibility.
these differences are subtle at best, even the most die hard cable believer would agree on this.
That’s not entirely true, some die hard cable believers are convinced the differences are “night and day”.
Yes there are (supposed) golden eared audiophiles, who supposedly can pick apart differences more easily,
But only under certain conditions. For example, under controlled listening test conditions audiophile cables and equipment emit a damping field which temporarily turns golden eared audiophiles into normally hearing human beings. Science has documented these results countless times, without a single exception but hasn’t yet determined the nature of this damping field.
So why spend time and money on the least effective way of improving the sound?
Because that’s what being a modern audiophile is all about! It’s got nothing to do with the actual sound and everything to do with spending time and money for bragging rights and to elicit a placebo effect.

G
 
Jun 1, 2022 at 2:36 PM Post #15,255 of 17,336
To be frank, I am not entirely insensitive to shiny audio jewelry. My cables, RCA interconnects (WireWorld Oasis 5) and digital ones (RU connected) aren't the cheapest you can buy, yes I selected them for looks and built , but at least they didn't cost me more than 50 euro per cable or pair of cables. Still I think I must have overpaid :)
 

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