all of the headphones I mentioned have measurably poor bass performance, you've simply never heard anything better
try an electrostat and you'll understand what I'm talking about, some people like it and some people don't, but objectively it's more accurate
before I start a fight let me stress something: this hobby is highly subjective and it doesn't really matter what's right from an objective standpoint, what matters is what you like most, and in my case I want as little noise/bloom/"felt" bass as physically possible