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Apr 21, 2012 at 11:17 PM Post #20,506 of 42,298
Yes it is. I end up sending my Woo adapters to Glenn. He placed the cap and wire and now they are silent like Silent One.
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Apr 21, 2012 at 11:37 PM Post #20,507 of 42,298
Don't remind me. He never answered my PM.
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Yes it is. I end up sending my Woo adapters to Glenn. He placed the cap and wire and now they are silent like Silent One.
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Apr 22, 2012 at 1:17 AM Post #20,508 of 42,298
 
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Don't remind me. He never answered my PM.
 
 

 
Sid-Fi, before you get the wrong impression, his absence of late has been of critical importance. He's always been a stand up guy and member here on Head-Fi. Many of us can testify receiving PM's day & night in a timely manner from him. Sorry you were not able to hear from him at this time. Hopefully, his return to this space will be soon... and celebrated.
 
Thanks for your understanding, Sid-Fi.
 
Kindly spoken,
 
Silent One
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Apr 22, 2012 at 1:34 AM Post #20,510 of 42,298
No wrong impressions here. It is abundantly clear how well regarded he is. 
 
I just assumed that he might not want to work on adapters any more due to being busy with his amplifiers or other endeavors as others have pointed out. No one is obligated to create or sell any products they don't want to. I was just bummed because for a while it seemed there were no options for good adapters while I had just sprung for nice tubes that required them.
 
I've feeling much better knowing that Jack will be shipping my adapters within a few business days. I'm just crossing my fingers it doesn't have any noise interference.
 
 
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Sid-Fi, before you get the wrong impression, his absence of late has been of critical importance. He's always been a stand up guy and member here on Head-Fi. Many of us can testify receiving PM's day & night in a timely manner from him. Sorry you were not able to hear from him at this time. Hopefully, his return to this space will be soon... and celebrated.
 
Thanks for your understanding, Sid-Fi.
 
Kindly spoken,
 
Silent One
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Apr 22, 2012 at 1:39 AM Post #20,511 of 42,298
 
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No wrong impressions here. It is abundantly clear how well regarded he is. 
 
I just assumed that he might not want to work on adapters any more due to being busy with his amplifiers or other endeavors as others have pointed out. No one is obligated to create or sell any products they don't want to. I was just bummed because for a while it seemed there were no options for good adapters while I had just sprung for nice tubes that required them.
 
I've feeling much better knowing that Jack will be shipping my adapters within a few business days. I'm just crossing my fingers it doesn't have any noise interference.
 
 
 
 

 
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 I know what you felt, we're addicts! That was me who posted on his current endeavors, by the way. I was trying to be discreet. Is there any way you could ask Jack to simply use a heavier gauge wire while he's at it? It's not too late!
 
Apr 22, 2012 at 1:53 AM Post #20,512 of 42,298
Is it just a matter of thicker gauge wire or shielding and other factors?
 
By the way Silent One, could you give me a few recommendations that you think would be the best bang for the buck isolation components to start off with? It sounded like you have a lot of experience in this area. My audio rack seems to be a nice sturdy basis, but I would like to add isolation feet or cones or spikes or whatever to make sure I'm not giving up extra sharpness and resolution.
 
My amp as you know is the WA22 and the DAC I am using is the Audio-gd NFB-10WM. I'll repost a pic I added to show a close up of both. I was going to PM you, but I would like to hit 500 posts this year - lol. Plus this entire thread feels like a long group PM, which I like :).
 

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 I know what you felt, we're addicts! That was me who posted on his current endeavors, by the way. I was trying to be discreet. Is there any way you could ask Jack to simply use a heavier gauge wire while he's at it? It's not too late!

 
 
 
Apr 22, 2012 at 2:35 AM Post #20,513 of 42,298
 
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Is it just a matter of thicker gauge wire or shielding and other factors?
 
By the way Silent One, could you give me a few recommendations that you think would be the best bang for the buck isolation components to start off with? It sounded like you have a lot of experience in this area. My audio rack seems to be a nice sturdy basis, but I would like to add isolation feet or cones or spikes or whatever to make sure I'm not giving up extra sharpness and resolution.
 
My amp as you know is the WA22 and the DAC I am using is the Audio-gd NFB-10WM. I'll repost a pic I added to show a close up of both. I was going to PM you, but I would like to hit 500 posts this year - lol. Plus this entire thread feels like a long group PM, which I like :).
 

 
 

 
You have an extraordinary sense of timing! I just sat down not 15 minutes ago to start gluing some footers on my amp to experiment further. I still know very little about the "Secret sauce" and what it takes. I understand the basics but once I start to experiment, I realize there are many combinations that can affect your sound one way or another. 
 
I learned a couple of things last week by playing around with platforms and footers. One, sometimes the sonic presentations realized are neither better or worse than what I had but just different. I am reminded of tubes in this regard. So then, running through my music library revealed some of my favorite tracks sound better some of the time and sometimes less so. Then a decision has to be made: "Will most of my favorites sound better this way or that way?" Tracks that formerly sounded just ok now sounds great with new footers/platform. And some tracks that always sounded great now sounds poor or not so good... merde!
 
I'll share whatever I know from both reading and actual doing (real world). Now that I've found a few things out, I'll now be on the lookout every once in awhile to improve my system through isolation. Also, even if one manages to place their component onto a nice platform with footers, it is considered to be Direct-coupled" as opposed to "Isolated." Unless the footers are specifically designed to isolate from ground vibrations. A quick test: if you shake the platform or surface below the component, and if the component follows the movement of shaking, it is "coupled" not isolated. If the component is trying to maintain its center while there's shaking underneath, then the component is truly isolated. This part of the hobby reminds me of Seismic studies.
 
Perhaps, I've said all that to say, I'm not sure what to recommend as I read up first and only now beginning to play around to find out what I like... and I don't want to spend a lot and end up with junk! 
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 I'm drinking the Mapleshade kool-aid by the cup, not by the pitcher. Anyway, concentrate on your source first, this is the area of my biggest gain with footers and platforms (Front-end and DAC). The amp can still benefit but there's more payoff upstream.
 
You're off to a great start with the rack though! Should you have questions, I'll do my best to help you out. And if you do not, I'll simply share my findings along the way while I continue to research. Lastly, on the adapter, you'll benefit from having thicker wire, insulation and grid cap. I'd send Jack a Tweet in hopes he can address this on Monday.
 
Apr 22, 2012 at 6:53 AM Post #20,515 of 42,298
 
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Is it just a matter of thicker gauge wire or shielding and other factors?

 
Sid, I have a pair of both Glenn's and the Woo's adapters. Both are first rate quality. The important difference is that Glenn positions the cap wire on one of the sockets such that the external cap wire exits the socket base at a point which will be furthest away from the rectifier once installed.
 
One may accomplish the same results with the Woo version by rotating (to the extent possible) the cap such that the wire is pointing away from the rectifier.
 
I have not heard any difference between Glenn's and Woo's "noise" wise. I also don't think the wire size is of any real consequence, given the current that this wire has running through it.
 
Apr 22, 2012 at 7:15 AM Post #20,516 of 42,298
 
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Strange, I wanted to share a few pictures of the isolation work I've done on my own DAC and source player, but I can't see the option keys at the top of the page anymore...!?

 
It is strange, I'm looking at them as I type. Perhaps, you should close out the page and/or browser and work it out... we wanna see those pix!
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Wait, top of the page?! You mean the top of the Content box don't you? See example below:
 
 

 
Apr 22, 2012 at 11:22 AM Post #20,517 of 42,298
 
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Don't remind me. He never answered my PM.
 
 

 
Sid-Fi, before you get the wrong impression, his absence of late has been of critical importance. He's always been a stand up guy and member here on Head-Fi. Many of us can testify receiving PM's day & night in a timely manner from him. Sorry you were not able to hear from him at this time. Hopefully, his return to this space will be soon... and celebrated.
 
Thanks for your understanding, Sid-Fi.
 
Kindly spoken,
 
Silent One
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I agree with SO and totally support and recommend Glenn's integrity, workmanship, communication and kindness. If he has not answer I don't think is for lack of interest or just blowing people off.
I have not seen his posts in the forum lately so it has to be a very good and valid reason.
 
Let's hope he reintegrates to our community soon.
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Apr 22, 2012 at 11:51 AM Post #20,518 of 42,298
 
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Is it just a matter of thicker gauge wire or shielding and other factors?
 
By the way Silent One, could you give me a few recommendations that you think would be the best bang for the buck isolation components to start off with? It sounded like you have a lot of experience in this area. My audio rack seems to be a nice sturdy basis, but I would like to add isolation feet or cones or spikes or whatever to make sure I'm not giving up extra sharpness and resolution.
 
My amp as you know is the WA22 and the DAC I am using is the Audio-gd NFB-10WM. I'll repost a pic I added to show a close up of both. I was going to PM you, but I would like to hit 500 posts this year - lol. Plus this entire thread feels like a long group PM, which I like :).
 

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 I know what you felt, we're addicts! That was me who posted on his current endeavors, by the way. I was trying to be discreet. Is there any way you could ask Jack to simply use a heavier gauge wire while he's at it? It's not too late!

 
 

 
I have not seen that rack in person but for what Wotts tells me (he has one) it might need some added weight to make a really solid base for your system. I would recommend if possible to fill the post with sand or even better with micro-berrings ( http://www.starsoundtechnologies.com/micro.html ) The micro-berrings will not only provide more weight but also help to damp vibration of the whole rack.
 
I have use several different vibration control accessories to either coupled or de-coupled the equipment. For equipment racks or amplifier platforms the best I have found are the Sistrum ( http://www.starsoundtechnologies.com/shopping.html ) I am using the SP-101 under my Threshold monoblocks and the results are just amazing. I don't want to go over the whole story of what happened during the installation but if you are interested to know shoot me a PM.
 
For accessories under components I have use several too but IMO the ones that have given me the best results are the Black Racing Cones in combination with Pillows or Discs ( http://www.musicdirect.com/c-626-accessories.aspx?sortfield=Popularity&sortdirection=DESC&perpage=24&BrandFilterID=76& ). Also the Stillpoins with Rasiers ( http://www.thecableco.com/Product/Save--130-per-set-on-Stillpoints-package-  this is a nice package) or the Via-Blu spikes to replace the stock footers ( http://aphroditecu29.com/ViaBlue/SpikesAbsorbers.aspx ) I am using the QTC in my WA5-LE and the HS under my Dark Star. Ray Samuels uses the HS under his top of the line equipment like the B52 and A-10.
 
 
 
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Apr 22, 2012 at 1:03 PM Post #20,519 of 42,298
 
Quote:Originally Posted by Silent One /img/forum/go_quote.gif
 
Wait, top of the page?! You mean the top of the Content box don't you? See example below:
 
 
DUH! I was looking at the wrong place! DUH!
 
OK, so from my own experiences, out of the two (DAC and Player) the source player yielded the most improvement. But let's start with the DAC. After trying sorbothane cups, I went with these, Viablue Tri:
 


 
So hard to put into words, but the sorbothane cups somewhat muddied the localisation of the instruments, but the Tri feet brought things back into focus. Can I say that I heard an improvement over the stock EE DAC feet? No, I would probably loose out on an A/B repeated blind test. Now, Eastern Electric already has some very good stock isolation feet, so...
 
Now from the source player, there was a pretty clear improvement. I guess reduced jitter would be the best way to describe it: Pitch black background and improved air around instruments, percussions particularly. I can hear the residual sound from the instrument clearly moving further beyond than before. What I did was to simply copy what Modwright does. I lined the interior cover with a SilverStone foam pad:
 

 
I Then went on to isolate the transport mechanism by adding weights (wheel weights in this case)
 

 

 
I'd played around with several isolation feet for my player before, but none brought as much obvious improvement than these two steps.
 
 
Apr 22, 2012 at 4:41 PM Post #20,520 of 42,298
 
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I have not seen that rack in person but for what Wotts tells me (he has one) it might need some added weight to make a really solid base for your system. I would recommend if possible to fill the post with sand or even better with micro-berrings ( http://www.starsoundtechnologies.com/micro.html ) The micro-berrings will not only provide more weight but also help to damp vibration of the whole rack.
 
I have use several different vibration control accessories to either coupled or de-coupled the equipment. For equipment racks or amplifier platforms the best I have found are the Sistrum ( http://www.starsoundtechnologies.com/shopping.html ) I am using the SP-101 under my Threshold monoblocks and the results are just amazing. I don't want to go over the whole story of what happened during the installation but if you are interested to know shoot me a PM.
 
For accessories under components I have use several too but IMO the ones that have given me the best results are the Black Racing Cones in combination with Pillows or Discs ( http://www.musicdirect.com/c-626-accessories.aspx?sortfield=Popularity&sortdirection=DESC&perpage=24&BrandFilterID=76& ). Also the Stillpoins with Rasiers ( http://www.thecableco.com/Product/Save--130-per-set-on-Stillpoints-package-  this is a nice package) or the Via-Blu spikes to replace the stock footers ( http://aphroditecu29.com/ViaBlue/SpikesAbsorbers.aspx ) I am using the QTC in my WA5-LE and the HS under my Dark Star. Ray Samuels uses the HS under his top of the line equipment like the B52 and A-10.
 
 

 
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 This is almost as good as reading the Sunday paper! And would have been 
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 had I found some color photos. 
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 Can't wait to read up on some of these, as my longest running devices underneath have been Tri-Absorbers. Thanks for your assistance. We never tire of your pix - we especially want to see the Mono blocks!
 

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