The crazy part about stage is people’s ear canals besides being different shapes and lengths, also have a different coating. Anyone that is older maybe remembers when you were younger you had slightly different ears. Meaning each person has an ear chemistry. This coating can be wet, or dry and that affects sound waves. Waves reflect different off of a wet surface than dry one.
trying the KZ Symphony on the AS20 [on full power mode] vs plugged into my phone via cable is a big difference. they sound better and more musical on the AZ20 and I don't need to turn my volume up as much for sure. But that means in the case of the Symphony that that huge bass boost is now just overbearing and bleeds into the mids. On a cable they sound a bit more balanced but not quite as lively, and need more volume. I just thought that getting a KZ planar without that extra DD "subwoofer" would be better, but I just got the ZS10 PRO 2 so maybe I don't need one now hahaha.
Well not sure what kind of phone you use but most of them aren't exactly known for having good DAC's/output power either. It really is a shame that KZ doesn't list any specs on the AZ20 but I just wanted to warn you to be careful with planars and them being powerhungry. Bass is also more about the tuning than there being a DD or not? There are IEMs with a DD that don't have overpowering bass for sure. Also you might be able to EQ some bass away? But I am not knowledgeable about that.
I am happy I did. Actually, it was not right away by any means (I was thinking that it will be Rhapsody 2.0, not my cup of tea), but after @r31ya shared first reviewer impressions that treble is there - I totally subscribed
I am quite amazed that they tuned these 4-BAs to a nice ZS10-pro signature but definitely more refined, yet still preserving the good heritage!I will! Getting ready:
thank you for the response.I am happy I did. Actually, it was not right away by any means (I was thinking that it will be Rhapsody 2.0, not my cup of tea), but after @r31ya shared first reviewer impressions that treble is there - I totally subscribed
Answering @r31ya question about an openness ZS10 pro 2, I disagree with the answer given in KZ thread (there are too many KZ naysayers there to participate anymore there... and I am desperately working to wean of HeadFi a bit more), Pro 2 is a closed IEM, as all ZS10 series. I checkef by suction tests from the nozzle and from the plate, and double checked by leaking from the top - no, only very limited DD membrane venting.
I will! Getting ready:
From left to right are original ZS10, ZS10 pro, ZS10 pro X, ZS10 pro 2, and CCA C10 pro.
To add right away - if one liked ZS10 pro X, and appreciate Trio - ZS10 pro 2 are right along these lines - still ZS10 pro but with several good aspects of Rhapsody and Trio added - as in smoother treble (the pinna gain is all still there) and more refined, yet "good rampant" DD. Is Zs10 pro 2 are 'disruptor" or "segment killer"? No, but definitely an IEM that many people will greatly enjoy.
P. S. @o0genesis0o - I really appreciate the stage discussion, I will try to chime more of my limited thoughts. Briefly,I feel it is opposite to "the closest to the ears to matter more", with the stage being realized in a recording, then possibly enhanced by a source, then rendered by a transducer.
The stage and layerings are in time and phase delays.
Having said this, some transducers, like ZS10 pro 2 and ZAT of my recent, synergize better for the stage to my ears (a good DD and multidrivers (?))
P. P. S. If you and @baskingshark would have a chance to get your hands on elusive Kuang Pai Plus 4 with its stage expansion function - I would be really interested to know your opinion about it (with some IEMs and recordings, it feels like the best thing everr, with some - more artificial).
Thanks for the response. It sounds encouraging. Especially the reference to the genome of the ZS10 ProX and Trio headphones. I consider those 2 pieces to be the absolute best I've tried from KZ/CCA.I am happy I did. Actually, it was not right away by any means (I was thinking that it will be Rhapsody 2.0, not my cup of tea), but after @r31ya shared first reviewer impressions that treble is there - I totally subscribed
Answering @r31ya question about an openness ZS10 pro 2, I disagree with the answer given in KZ thread (there are too many KZ naysayers there to participate anymore there... and I am desperately working to wean of HeadFi a bit more), Pro 2 is a closed IEM, as all ZS10 series. I checked by suction tests from the nozzle and from the plate, and double checked by leaking from the top - no, only very limited DD membrane venting.
I will! Getting ready:
From left to right are original ZS10, ZS10 pro, ZS10 pro X, ZS10 pro 2, and CCA C10 pro.
To add right away - if one liked ZS10 pro X, and appreciate Trio - ZS10 pro 2 are right along these lines - still ZS10 pro and pro X, but with several good aspects of Rhapsody and Trio skillfully implemented - as in smoother treble (the pinna gain is all still there; some may not be up to it) and a more refined, yet "good rampant" DD. Is Zs10 pro 2 a 'disruptor" or "segment killer"? No, but definitely an IEM that many people will greatly enjoy, and it will be successfull in sales (not hard to predict) whatever some reviewer may come up with
P. S. @o0genesis0o - I really appreciate the stage discussion, I will try to chime more of my limited thoughts. Briefly,I feel it is opposite to "the closest to the ears to matter more", with the stage being realized in a recording, then possibly enhanced by a source, then rendered by a transducer.
The stage and layerings are in time and phase delays.
Having said this, some transducers, like ZS10 pro 2 and ZAT of my recent, synergize better for the stage to my ears (a good DD and multidrivers (?))
P. P. S. If you and @baskingshark would have a chance to get your hands on elusive Kuang Pai Plus 4 with its stage expansion function - I would be really interested to know your opinion about it (with some IEMs and recordings, it feels like the best thing everr, with some - more artificial).
well its discovery thread, its partly about getting news on the weekly pokemon.All these weekly Pokemon and I don't care.
Good IEMs without breaking the bank, and sometimes some "legendary" value... I hope KZ and TRN keep releasing those Pokemon.All these weekly Pokemon and I don't care.
They announced they were doing a phone awhile back.Moondrop phone? not DAP but outright phone?
https://moondroplab.com/en/phone/miad01
it said to be, "5G HiFi Mobile Audio Device"
Nah it can't be a phone. Moondrop will do a waifuphone!Moondrop phone? not DAP but outright phone?
https://moondroplab.com/en/phone/miad01
it said to be, "5G HiFi Mobile Audio Device"
Before my AceOrpheus MMCX cable stopped working, I found it boosted sub bass and mids on the Dunu Falcon Ultra. I wish I had an adapter to try it with the Dita PM since they're bass-light for me too. After trying all of my cables with the Dita PM, I still think the stock Cardas cable is the best pairing. I just use PEQ to add a 4db low bass shelf with them and they sound great. It adds the extra thump and rumble that was missing for me without losing any of its resolving, well-extended treble.
Folks who could use more bass from Project M, try switching out the cable.
I recently swopped in the NiceHCK AceOrpheus on a hunch and was surprised how deep and textured the sub bass could go.
It has to be said, AceOrpheus has its fans and I’m not usually one of them because its highs are generally too sleepy for my tastes. But it didn’t turn out to be much of an impediment for Project M, which is fairly well provided for in that department.
It’s also a chonky one and requires an adapter to use 0.78mm pins safely with the Project M’s QDC-style connectors (although I suppose one could cheat and hope for the best - it’s just a little tight) but it’s well worth mentioning how well Project M responded to a spot of cable rolling.
. He's letting it go with a 20% discount off retail.
