The discovery thread!

[AmericanSpirit]

are the above models as good as an average hexa or an average $80 - $100 cable model in terms of sound? a few months ago i was replacing my equipment with wireless ones, i found one of fiio s dacs to have worse sound in wireless mode. By the way, I want to ask a personal question, if you compare it with the sr 5 and 12 pro which one would you prefer?

Hmm, since HEXA is like an anomaly, I’d say an average $80-100 cable models.

One exception is Jabra Elite 65t which is not an ANC model but the diaphragm used on that model is very nimble, so it does have great transients. You can get it $97 new, and $39 used, I got the used one and extremely satisfied with the sound quality and the performance.

It has multipoint connectivity that‘s almost a must-have for modern TWS.

Most of TWS are B-grade, with maybe Momentum 3 and XM4, hitting on A-, where I still see SR5 hitting A+, so there are small gaps, but when comparig to HEXA (A), that maybe purely depending on personal preference. S12Pro meanwhile I feel is A-grade, same to Timeless, a properly solid tuned, best implemented planar with technical focus in to mind.

From my experience, if there is a grade gap between the sound performance, personal preference may impact less in making decision on “which one has a better sound”. (like comparing S-grade to A-grade)

But when it comes to same grade, comparing A- to A or A+, personal preference weight can flip the valuation, so it’s more of up to your call.

 

[Zerstorer_GOhren]

Toneking Lucifer? I didn't like it at all, but maybe I'll pull it out and listen again since I've grown fond of some other warm/smooth signatures lately.

Yeah that one.

 

[vafler86]

My collaboration IEM, project Butasur with Night Oblivion is underway but still struggling with manufacturing process of the shells.

Faceplate is almost done, but there are limitations on what can be done and what can’t.

So far, this is the design

Butastur is a type of hawk that migrates from Northen China.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Butastur

This design is a silhouette of Butastur
flying in the dead of night and also three claws of herself.


After numerous attempt, we finally managed to get the hook of it.


It’s almost there

Butastur logo is set.


Night Oblivion trade mark is set:

Hey,
I really like the design/look of these iem. Are they going to be something a peasant like me can afford or are they TOTL? when are they releasing, sound signature and drivers? if you dont mind me asking.

 

[Zerstorer_GOhren]

This one really interest me in under $200. I might do a review on this one later.

 

[AmericanSpirit]

This one really interest me in under $200. I might do a review on this one later.

Yea Tangzu’s first hybrid IEM

 

[sfrsfr]

Another listener who backs up what I've been saying for over a year now LOL The RE800 silver is great value and sounds awesome! @FranQL also recently purchased the RE800 silver, and also enjoys them, and at the price they are selling them at, it's a no brainer to add to your collection with limited fundage.

Do you experience any driver flex with the RE800 ?

 

[vafler86]

Thanks!
In order to keep price as competitive as possible, I surrendered all of my commissions on this project, so basically I’m conducting a volunteer from designing to tuning.


Making an IEM to my ideal is not a simple “throw FR and call it done”, each drivers has their unique inherited sound and altering those beyond what’s possible will make a bad timbre, so we had to build it from the scratch. All those time, I’ve spent is free of charge, the benefit I want is an ideal sound.

First model will be 10BA, 2 tuning switches, full Knowles /Sonion. With my ideal qdc-family (Anole VX, Neon Pro, Bravery) sound.


Butastur logo:


The hardware model is finalized, we are completing the shells.

My motto is
Finest Sound for the “rest of us”
as I grew up in one of poorest era of communist China while Soviet Union was present, and moved to world’s one of richest nation, Japan, then USA.


I know how is it feel to be on the “rest of the world” feeling, so I’m still negotiating with the stakeholder to keep the price low.

Hope we can reach to an agreement on pricing upon release.

That sounds brilliant, and i am really looking forward to them now. You defiantly got a buyer here.

 

[awacs7n]

Hmm, since HEXA is like an anomaly, I’d say an average $80-100 cable models.

One exception is Jabra Elite 65t which is not an ANC model but the diaphragm used on that model is very nimble, so it does have great transients. You can get it $97 new, and $39 used, I got the used one and extremely satisfied with the sound quality and the performance.

It has multipoint connectivity that‘s almost a must-have for modern TWS.


Most of TWS are B-grade, with maybe Momentum 3 and XM4, hitting on A-, where I still see SR5 hitting A+, so there are small gaps, but when comparig to HEXA (A), that maybe purely depending on personal preference. S12Pro meanwhile I feel is A-grade, same to Timeless, a properly solid tuned, best implemented planar with technical focus in to mind.

From my experience, if there is a grade gap between the sound performance, personal preference may impact less in making decision on “which one has a better sound”. (like comparing S-grade to A-grade)

But when it comes to same grade, comparing A- to A or A+, personal preference weight can flip the valuation, so it’s more of up to your call.

The reason I'm asking about the sr 5 so much is to avoid a second audiosense t 800 error. Sometimes I don't even want to listen. i have a plan for sr 7 this week but sr 5 is getting too much praise. If I repeat the t 800 error, I cannot return the sr 7. there is a $150 difference, sr 5 seems like a safe way. I like models that don't have recessed mid frequencies and are slightly fun, of course the resolution has to be good too.

 

[poskus]

Thanks!
In order to keep price as competitive as possible, I surrendered all of my commissions on this project, so basically I’m conducting a volunteer from designing to tuning.


Making an IEM to my ideal is not a simple “throw FR and call it done”, each drivers has their unique inherited sound and altering those beyond what’s possible will make a bad timbre, so we had to build it from the scratch. All those time, I’ve spent is free of charge, the benefit I want is an ideal sound.

First model will be 10BA, 2 tuning switches, full Knowles /Sonion. With my ideal qdc-family (Anole VX, Neon Pro, Bravery) sound.


Butastur logo:


The hardware model is finalized, we are completing the shells.

My motto is
Finest Sound for the “rest of us”
as I grew up in one of poorest era of communist China while Soviet Union was present, and moved to world’s one of richest nation, Japan, then USA.


I know how is it feel to be on the “rest of the world” feeling, the rich nation’s rich people playing with expensive toys that costs $$$$ which only 0.001% of world population is fortunate enough to enjoy with.

Music has no boundaries but IEM‘s fine sound has such boundaries, at least up till couple of years ago, so I’m still negotiating with the stakeholder to keep the price low.

Hope we can reach to an agreement on pricing upon release.

where to buy this iem?

 

[Neithan]

The reason I'm asking about the sr 5 so much is to avoid a second audiosense t 800 error. Sometimes I don't even want to listen. i have a plan for sr 7 this week but sr 5 is getting too much praise. If I repeat the t 800 error, I cannot return the sr 7. there is a $150 difference, sr 5 seems like a safe way. I like models that don't have recessed mid frequencies and are slightly fun, of course the resolution has to be good too.

If you like an engaging sound the SR5 might be the IEM for you. I love mine, but mind you, get ride of the original cable and get an after market. My advice is to get the NiceHCK BlackSoul cable and some Tangzu Sancai eartips or some TRN T tips or the TRI e
Clarion tips...

 

[awacs7n]

If you like an engaging sound the SR5 might be the IEM for you. I love mine, but mind you, get ride of the original cable and get an after market. My advice is to get the NiceHCK BlackSoul cable and some Tangzu Sancai eartips or some TRN T tips or the TRI e
Clarion tips...

yes, even if it's technical, I'm in favor of more fun sounds instead of sounds like hexa. I got good wires, ah. I guess I
ll try it, thanks for the advice

 

[AmericanSpirit]

yes, even if it's technical, I'm in favor of more fun sounds instead of sounds like hexa. I got good wires, ah. I guess I
ll try it, thanks for the advice

The reason I'm asking about the sr 5 so much is to avoid a second audiosense t 800 error. Sometimes I don't even want to listen. i have a plan for sr 7 this week but sr 5 is getting too much praise. If I repeat the t 800 error, I cannot return the sr 7. there is a $150 difference, sr 5 seems like a safe way. I like models that don't have recessed mid frequencies and are slightly fun, of course the resolution has to be good too.

SR5 and SR7 are tuned by different philosophy, I feel Sound Rhyme is very talented in tuning, not “gifted” level that Abel of AuR, but certainly Moondrop‘s tuner should learn from Sound Rhyme.

SR5: powerful bass great dynamics, inoffensive but very crisp resolution

SR7: warmer bass presence, monitor style or instrument oriented neutral

Both are great IEMs

 

[ToneDeafMonk]

SR5 and SR7 are tuned by different philosophy, I feel Sound Rhyme is very talented in tuning, not “gifted” level that Abel of AuR, but certainly Moondrop‘s tuner should learn from Sound Rhyme.

SR5: powerful bass great dynamics, inoffensive but very crisp resolution

SR7: warmer bass presence, monitor style or instrument oriented neutral

Both are great IEMs

A.S. I think your Impressions of the two are bang on. I prefer the sound of the SR5 tuning over the SR7 personally and like the added energy in the highs. I was a bit worried as I am a bit treble sensitive but no worries for me and at volumes I should not be listening to.

 

[AmericanSpirit]

A.S. I think your Impressions of the two are bang on. I prefer the sound of the SR5 tuning over the SR7 personally and like the added energy in the highs. I was a bit worried as I am a bit treble sensitive but no worries for me and at volumes I should not be listening to.

And thanks for the beautiful measurement on squiglink! That’s awesome

Yea the added energy in treble of SR5 is a talented coloration of them

 

[Neithan]

SR5 and SR7 are tuned by different philosophy, I feel Sound Rhyme is very talented in tuning, not “gifted” level that Abel of AuR, but certainly Moondrop‘s tuner should learn from Sound Rhyme.

SR5: powerful bass great dynamics, inoffensive but very crisp resolution

SR7: warmer bass presence, monitor style or instrument oriented neutral

Both are great IEMs

Didn't know you had the SR5... Can you compare it with the Xenns Top? From what I've been reading, the tuning should be similar...