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Aug 5, 2021 at 8:48 PM Post #58,756 of 99,877
Sad. The Moondrop Crescents had so much potential, but they are plagued with channel imbalance. Mine could only last about half way through one movie (while sounding epic) before it got quieter on one side. Moondrop never fails to disappoint me.
 
Aug 5, 2021 at 9:03 PM Post #58,757 of 99,877

L&P W2 Impressions​


The L&P W2 has been all the rage lately, with many claiming it to be superior to $1000 DAPs.

Usually I dismiss claims like this outright because of a simple reason: L&P themselves make $1000+ DAPs. Why would they jeopardize the sale of their own high-end models? That makes zero sense, and most of the claimed "superiority" is often just over-excitement.

Nonetheless, a bit about the dongle itself. It's not as large as I thought it would be. Larger than the likes of Questyle M12, but the weight is light enough. Also I liked the Carbon fiber pattern on the back. The buttons had good feedback. The OLED display is helpful in selecting EQ/Filter/Gain modes. All in all, UI navigation is simple and the feel in hand is good, though I wouldn't think it's a $300 dongle just by the build.

So, there comes the sound, and I have to say it does kind of render most DAPs under $500... pointless. Yes, the hype is partially true. If you're someone who uses their smartphone a lot and don't want to carry a separate device/isn't worried about battery life: the W2 is your best bet at a dongle that dethrones a number of DAPs along its way.

It sounds better than the following DAPs (to my ears): Hiby R6 Pro Saber, Fiio M11/M11 Pro, Shanling M6, Cowon Plenue D2, Sony ZX507, Cayin N3Pro....

Questyle QP1R has a sound on "similar" level but falls behind in terms of usability. Dethonray DTR-1 is a bit more dynamic but again: basic UI. Cowon Plenue R2, at ~$600, is one of those DAPs that has better microdynamics and resolves similarly. It does cost twice as much as the L&P W2 so there's that (it also has a good display and great battery life, so you're kinda paying for those extra stuff too).

In the end, if you're after sound quality alone, the L&P W2 delivers on that front. Claims that this powers planars well are, well, unfounded (to me). Maybe some of the efficient designs, but it won't drive the Hifiman Arya well, for example. Something like A&K Kann Alpha will do that job much better. Similarly, HD600/650 and such high impedance dynamic drivers that require high voltage swing to perform their best will sound lacking.

It also sounded noticeably soft and lacking in details vs my own Lotoo PAW 6000, and the iBasso DX300 had a similar but more refined signature (on the default amp card).

TL;DR: the best dongle I've tried thus far and it indeed sounds better than most DAPs under $500. Won't replace your TOTL DAP though and is far from a powerhouse.

Note: directly A/Bed against LP6K, A&K SE200, iBasso DX300, Questyle M12, Hidizs AP80Pro, Sony NW-A55. IEMs used: Campfire Audio Solaris 2020, ThieAudio Monarch, Shozy Pola39, Dunu Zen.

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Aug 5, 2021 at 10:41 PM Post #58,758 of 99,877

L&P W2 Impressions​


The L&P W2 has been all the rage lately, with many claiming it to be superior to $1000 DAPs.

Usually I dismiss claims like this outright because of a simple reason: L&P themselves make $1000+ DAPs. Why would they jeopardize the sale of their own high-end models? That makes zero sense, and most of the claimed "superiority" is often just over-excitement.

Nonetheless, a bit about the dongle itself. It's not as large as I thought it would be. Larger than the likes of Questyle M12, but the weight is light enough. Also I liked the Carbon fiber pattern on the back. The buttons had good feedback. The OLED display is helpful in selecting EQ/Filter/Gain modes. All in all, UI navigation is simple and the feel in hand is good, though I wouldn't think it's a $300 dongle just by the build.

So, there comes the sound, and I have to say it does kind of render most DAPs under $500... pointless. Yes, the hype is partially true. If you're someone who uses their smartphone a lot and don't want to carry a separate device/isn't worried about battery life: the W2 is your best bet at a dongle that dethrones a number of DAPs along its way.

It sounds better than the following DAPs (to my ears): Hiby R6 Pro Saber, Fiio M11/M11 Pro, Shanling M6, Cowon Plenue D2, Sony ZX507, Cayin N3Pro....

Questyle QP1R has a sound on "similar" level but falls behind in terms of usability. Dethonray DTR-1 is a bit more dynamic but again: basic UI. Cowon Plenue R2, at ~$600, is one of those DAPs that has better microdynamics and resolves similarly. It does cost twice as much as the L&P W2 so there's that (it also has a good display and great battery life, so you're kinda paying for those extra stuff too).

In the end, if you're after sound quality alone, the L&P W2 delivers on that front. Claims that this powers planars well are, well, unfounded (to me). Maybe some of the efficient designs, but it won't drive the Hifiman Arya well, for example. Something like A&K Kann Alpha will do that job much better. Similarly, HD600/650 and such high impedance dynamic drivers that require high voltage swing to perform their best will sound lacking.

It also sounded noticeably soft and lacking in details vs my own Lotoo PAW 6000, and the iBasso DX300 had a similar but more refined signature (on the default amp card).

TL;DR: the best dongle I've tried thus far and it indeed sounds better than most DAPs under $500. Won't replace your TOTL DAP though and is far from a powerhouse.

Note: directly A/Bed against LP6K, A&K SE200, iBasso DX300, Questyle M12, Hidizs AP80Pro, Sony NW-A55. IEMs used: Campfire Audio Solaris 2020, ThieAudio Monarch, Shozy Pola39, Dunu Zen.

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Thanks for the feedback!

So how does it stack against the Sony NW A55? With firmware mods?
 
Aug 5, 2021 at 11:08 PM Post #58,759 of 99,877
Thanks for the feedback!

So how does it stack against the Sony NW A55? With firmware mods?
it's better, no contest really. Sony WM1A, however, is better than the L&P W2. In fact I think the WM1A is one of the best DAPs under $2000 despite the anemic output power (compared to much of its competition).
 
Aug 6, 2021 at 12:56 AM Post #58,760 of 99,877
it's better, no contest really. Sony WM1A, however, is better than the L&P W2. In fact I think the WM1A is one of the best DAPs under $2000 despite the anemic output power (compared to much of its competition).
Do you have the Dethonray Honey H1 ?
can you compare it with the W2
 
Aug 6, 2021 at 1:06 AM Post #58,761 of 99,877
Do you have the Dethonray Honey H1 ?
can you compare it with the W2
I don't have the Honey but I've heard it. Honey is better overall, far more powerful and has better dynamics. However, I think the Honey is a separate class of device (transportable, as they say) and competes with the likes of iFi iDSD Signature/Cayin C9 and such.
 
Aug 6, 2021 at 1:09 AM Post #58,762 of 99,877
I don't have the Honey but I've heard it. Honey is better overall, far more powerful and has better dynamics. However, I think the Honey is a separate class of device (transportable, as they say) and competes with the likes of iFi iDSD Signature/Cayin C9 and such.
yeah, it's a thick device,
 
Aug 6, 2021 at 3:43 AM Post #58,764 of 99,877
There's NO info, i.e. page not found...

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Aug 6, 2021 at 6:15 AM Post #58,765 of 99,877
Has anyone seen anything else about this brand? Their driver configs look interesting, but the prices jump quite dramatically from their C config to the A config.

https://a.aliexpress.com/_msEFTF1
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I'm not even entirely sure what the brand name is or which model these photos are for. My guess would be that these are the D24 A revision, but I'm honestly not sure. Build quality looks pretty good from the photos, even if the number and density of the drivers does lead to a fairly tall shell.
 
Aug 6, 2021 at 6:25 AM Post #58,766 of 99,877
Anyone good enough at reading Chinese to make sense of what these are? It looks like they're all using named BA driver series, but I don't know if they're the actual Knowles or the Bellsing derivatives.

https://a.aliexpress.com/_mMYc5qJ

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They sure are interesting to look at, regardless. I guess this would be the main image that requires translation:

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Aug 6, 2021 at 6:33 AM Post #58,767 of 99,877
Has anyone seen anything else about this brand? Their driver configs look interesting, but the prices jump quite dramatically from their C config to the A config.

https://a.aliexpress.com/_msEFTF1
20210806_061118.jpg

20210806_061201.jpg

20210806_061214.jpg

20210806_061133.jpg

20210806_061146.jpg

I'm not even entirely sure what the brand name is or which model these photos are for. My guess would be that these are the D24 A revision, but I'm honestly not sure. Build quality looks pretty good from the photos, even if the number and density of the drivers does lead to a fairly tall shell.
Link is not opening. Can you give the name?
 
Aug 6, 2021 at 6:42 AM Post #58,768 of 99,877
Link is not opening. Can you give the name?
That's kind of the problem. I have no idea what the brand name is, just that they have a tendency to use D followed by the collective number of drivers in both earpieces. So D24, D14, D10, D6, D4, etc. It's very annoying. AE not providing links that work on desktop and on mobile is also very annoying.

Edit: dug through the specifications tab and they're saying the brand name is Huo Huang Shu, whatever that translates into without having the actually characters. It's on the Huo Nip Store on AE.
 
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Aug 6, 2021 at 6:44 AM Post #58,769 of 99,877
That's kind of the problem. I have no idea what the brand name is, just that they have a tendency to use D followed by the collective number of drivers in both earpieces. So D24, D14, D10, D6, D4, etc. It's very annoying. AE not providing links that work on desktop and on mobile is also very annoying.
Can you provide the link from AliExpress app?
 
Aug 6, 2021 at 6:47 AM Post #58,770 of 99,877

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