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Aug 2, 2023 at 5:45 PM Post #84,286 of 103,846
Just giving my 2 ct: Sound quality wise the Huawei Freebuds Pro 2 are my personal #1. Followed by the Devialet Gemini.
If you want a beater set below 60€ with a sexy as hell frequency response graph I recommend the Baseus Bowie EX. They don't match the Huawei quality drivers but they sound great for their price. Look at these curves :heart_eyes: Well tuned
Second the opinion about Huawei Freebuds Pro 2, been a good TWS. Just wish they used normal tip/nozzle, not the oval style similar to Apple Earbuds Pro.
 
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Aug 2, 2023 at 5:56 PM Post #84,287 of 103,846
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Symphonium Meteor


I have been having the Symphonium Meteor on loan the last few weeks, the little red Meteor.
This is a 4 BA (Balanced Armature) IEM, costing $599.

This will not be a review, more like a small impression. Also going to compare it to one of my favorite IEMs, the AüR Audio Neon Pro am 10 BA set with a slight U shaped sound signature. I am not trying to offend anyone with this, this is a set I have been hyped to buy.

Disclaimer:

This is also a very subjective hobby where everything from experience, anatomy or age will affect what we hear. Also keep in mind that it is easy to use bold words when talking about differences, while it may be perceived as a small change for you. While I can perceive something as natural sounding, I do believe we can never get a perfect performance similar to what is achieved live.


Specifications​

Driver Crossover - Custom Tuned True 3-Way Crossover with PHAT Technology
Frequency Response - 12Hz - 21kHz, ± 3 dB
Sensitivity - 111dB/Vrms @ 1 kHz
Impedance - 9.7 Ohms @ 1 kHz
Socket - Spring Loaded 0.78mm 2-Pin
Cable - 26 AWG OCC Copper
Cable Impedance - 0.18 Ohms (3.5mm). 0.17 Ohms (4.4mm)
Limited 1 - Year Warranty


https://www.symphoniumaudio.com/products/meteor

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Meteor sound impression

Most of my listening has been done with the Cayin N7 DAP, I have also used my desktop setup with Topping E70 + A90 Discrete. Tips have been Kbear 07 and Spinfit.

Must admit I had a hard time with the shell and finding a good seal, they are really small in the body and the nozzle has a different angle than the rest of my IEMs. There is also no vent on the IEM, I have never had problems before this set with pressure buildup. With lots of tip rolling and some advice, I found the Spinfit model I have to provide the seal. Also cable rolled to a better cable, the stock is okay sounding. But it doesn't sit well and makes Meteor being pushed out of the ear.

The meteor is described like this:

PHYSICALLY SMALL, SONICALLY LARGE

The Meteor, simply put - sounds MASSIVE. We created the Meteor to shock you the very first second the music starts playing - extracting the speed, detail and raw energy from your music and delivering it in a fun way that keeps you on the edge of your seat. Bass so physical that you feel air pushed into your ears and basslines vibrating from the thick bass strings. Treble so extended with its cymbals sounding ethereal and textured

The Meteor’s “U-shaped” sound signature puts its bass and high treble in the spotlight, yet maintaining a sophisticated balance to form a coherent and exciting experience so that you will spend hours listening in pure fun. All this in a compact form factor well suited for music listeners with smaller ears.



Give it a go - you will not want to miss this.

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For me this description is not totally correct, the mids are very recessed. And make the sound more like an extreme V shape, bass is very present and also the upper treble. They say that the bass and upper treble is in focus and that is true, when listening to cymbals as they explain it has a good sparkle.

Overall the sound is soft and veiled, with full low end. As the bass is strong and full it is wrong saying it's thin, but the mids is thin and lacks presence.

Bass is big and soft, it's not the more visceral style that most DDs have and especially the fast DDs. It digs deep and can please most bass bass lovers, for me it sounds too soft and lacks impact. This is the same type of BA bass that many have complained of is not sounding like a dynamic driver, if you're not used to better BA bass this will probably sound good. Also using the set for a long time to get your ears adjusted makes it sound better and better, but then swapping over to a good DD makes it very obvious.

Mids is veiled for me, both instruments and vocals seem way too often like it's playing behind a carpet dampening the sound. While they sound okay, it's too distant and has not enough detail going on. I use Piano music very often to listen to how realistic it sounds, especially since I am used to hearing piano in my house from both my wife playing and myself. It is hollow on most ranges of the piano, and lacks a good realistic timbre.
Strings lack detail and fullness, going to brass instruments like Sax it is hollow and lacks detail. Good thing is that aggressive trumpet playing is tamed and less piercing, same for other instruments.
Male vocals are better than female, no doubt. Male vocals sound okay on most artists just a little thick, just a few that get more nasal sounding. Almost all females lack presence, and appear quite veiled.

Treble is better than the mids, and has some good detail and treble. Not on every song out there, depends how much of the detail is in the lower treble or upper treble. The cymbal hits on drums has a nice shimmer and has that extra making it sound more real, same for other percussion instruments. I also listen to much electronica where there are sometimes electronic sounds in the upper treble. I can then hear that Meteor has very good extension up top, almost too much where some tracks get very fatigued.

Soundstage is okay, more like a studio than an avenue in size. Would call it average in depth and width, it's also very circular. Imaging is very spot on.


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Meteor vs Neon pro

First off this is not to trash Meteor, I wanted to try Meteor as I have heard so much praise. I love my Neon Pro and have it as a reference IEM, hoping for Meteor to be good as I love the design and wanted another all BA IEM. Using Neon Pro with switch ON as it makes the low end very similar in amount, the mids get then impacted slightly on some vocals.

Neon Pro is also not vented but the shell is larger so I never get any pressure build-up.

I will keep it short on this part, as it's in a different league and is not fair.

Bass is faster, more visceral. Not soft and actually sound close to a DD, resolution is high level above. Especially when listening to double bass playing with lots of resonances going on in the bass range. Drum kicks are as it should, not soft thuds like on Meteor.

Mids is leagues above, crystal clear sound on NP. Male vocals similar to Meteor is a little thicker sounding due to bass, but is more present and clear with more detail. Females have much more presence and are not veiled, even with the tuning switch on and gets even better with it off.
All instruments have more resolution, piano sounds real and true to life. Drums have a better impact and are actually present in the music. String and wind instruments, doesn't matter what instrument its clear and forward.

Treble is also super detailed with NP, even with the boosted upper air spike on Meteor the Neon Pro has more realistic air and shimmer. Super clear treble on acoustic and electronic music, and don't have that same fatiguing tendency.

Soundstage is very personal, Neon Pro has almost the largest stage and separation I have tried. Wider and deeper than Meteor, imaging also spot on perfect.

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Conclusion

This is not the set for me, that is quite clear. I almost wish there was something wrong with the Meteor, I also got my wife with her petite ears to try it. She did say they were cute and small with nice ergonomics, but at first listen she also said the same, it was veiled and almost no detail in the music.

Had to ask a friend who also has many IEMs, and full BA sets. He demoed the Meteor at Zeppelin, first words this is totally not worth it. Unnatural, veiled and like listening from another room instead of in front of speakers

I am not sure what to say really, I have big problems understanding the $600 price. I have liked many BA sets before this (Bravery, SA6, RSV and Neon Pro).
Maybe it's good for intense music to relax it down, or this is just a tuning type some like.
The Meteor was on my shortlist of IEMs to buy to satisfy my desire for a bassy IEM.

Thank God I didn't listen to all of the YouTubers who were hyping this set up to the moon.

In my opinion, Symphonium IEMs are overpriced. They're just really good at handing out units to YouTubers/reviewers/influencers, and schmoozing them up at conventions.
 
Aug 2, 2023 at 6:40 PM Post #84,289 of 103,846
Symphonium IEMs are overpriced. They're just really good at handing out units to YouTubers/reviewers/influencers, and schmoozing them up at conventions.

They had like one US tour. The Helios just made it to Aus for a tour months or years after the hype. That’s not “really good at handing out units”. Don’t know if they give free stuffs to big shots, but it was certainly a challenge to try them beside blindbuy. In fact, I blind bought the Meteor when an opportunity popped up.




I have to agree and disagree with @Leonarfd at the same time with this one.
  • The “veil” is there, as a part of the tuning trick for the stage. however, you need to turn up the volume more than usual with IEMs with this sort of tuning (same case with E5000), otherwise you will only hear “ummm ummm” hum from the bass.
  • This one sounds like overdriven Knowles closed woofers rather than sonion open woofers, so the leading edge of the bass should be sharp and plasticky rather than soft or boomy. Again, volume.
  • The resolution (note definition, separation) is nothing special. The detail retrieval, especially the background reverb trail, is rather good thanks to the smoothly extended treble.
  • The stage is also expanded well thanks to the treble. In fact the treble was so well done that I turned my attention to Helios again, after given it up to go with U12t.
My take of Meteor is an L-shape with good BA bass, great treble extension, great stage size, decent imaging, with annoying 4kHz dip. It does sound “large”.
 
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Aug 2, 2023 at 6:46 PM Post #84,290 of 103,846
The Meteor was on my shortlist of IEMs to buy to satisfy my desire for a bassy IEM.

Thank God I didn't listen to all of the YouTubers who were hyping this set up to the moon.

In my opinion, Symphonium IEMs are overpriced. They're just really good at handing out units to YouTubers/reviewers/influencers, and schmoozing them up at conventions.
🥳 Xenns Mangird Top 🥳

Anytime that I'm checking out a new IEM, I keep away from the Top. Otherwise the new set always sounds anemic.

Learned my lesson when I tried out the Aful P8. The P8 has virtually no (perceived) mid-bass, once I'm acclimated to the Top.
Aful P8 vs Top.jpg
 
Aug 2, 2023 at 6:50 PM Post #84,291 of 103,846
I think the Kiwi ears Quintet will end up being one of the stars of 2023, once the dust settles.
The Quintet's time has come and gone. In the IEM world, you strike when you are released. There is no such thing as a slow burn in IEMs (yes, there are rare exceptions to EVERYTHING). So the Quintet will be an IEM that some might get as a completist, on deep discount on recc, or 2nd hand by someone who already owns them or lost them, but as far as finding it's feet as a best of 2023? That boat has sailed. Maybe the follow up?
 
Aug 2, 2023 at 6:51 PM Post #84,292 of 103,846
Based on the shop site (https://www.linsoul.com/products/simgot-em6l), there is zero mention of the driver brand other than "Custom".



Usually if a company uses Knowles or Sonion BAs, they will surely milk this point ad nauseum in their marketing materials. No mention = likely Bellsing?
Very much true!
Sonion and Knowles are tend to be highly advertised by manufacturers.
At the same time, "true and tested" HiFi wisdom prevails - implementation commonly matters more than consituent parts.

Two cases in point:
1. Fiio FH1 - despite having Knowles BA there - the DD-BA disjoint was the most pronounced for me out of many hybrid IEMs.
2. BGVP VG4 - the Sonion bass and Knowles treble there are nothing to write about and definitely feel inferior to me compared to both Knowles and KZ bass BAs, as well as Knowles TWFK and SWFK and even treble BAs in KZ ZAX.
Knowles 29689 was kind of saving the show of VG4, not to be total dud.
With VG4 I did learn my lesson of not trying to get "mid-grade" IEMs anymore. VG4 happened to be my worst experience per money paid.
T800 being one of the best, thanks to you, again.

Haha this centre will probably be overwhelmed with QC defect claims - eg channel imbalance, drivers not soldered, glue blocking tubes.

Some customers may also be going there to complain about false marketing - "You said this IEM that can beat all rivals under $1000! But it doesn't even sound as good as a $40 IEM! I want my money back!!!"
This may be unfare to KZ.
"Faked" drivers are proven "faked" claims - the person who made them retreated the claims, sadly not loud enough that these allegations are still cited....

"Glue" and varying models came with BG** collaborations (similar attracts similar, perhaps) - very regrettable for KZ indeed, IMO.

Anyhow, that brings me to AS24 - a really overwhelming IEM due to all the switches and also KZ finally paying more attention to mids compared to their cheerful V tunings that I really like.

I really enjoy AS24 so far, it rivals T800 for me - so far I use all switches "on", except the gain, the channel matching of impedances with all switches are exemplary!

Treble is there, nice in magnitude and refinement fir me. not overly extended lat 15+ kHz. The bass is nice, and can be dialed back a bit - three more switches in my disposal now.

I would appreciate your brief comparison of AS24 with M9 and other all-BAs that you have experienced recently, and experience of other esteemed forum members on this matter.

P.S. Edited for typos
 
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Aug 2, 2023 at 7:05 PM Post #84,293 of 103,846
I'm looking for a bass iem that cost under 200 usd. I already have est 50 and 10th, and i think they both do bass very well. I also own oh10 which is also a bassey iem.

But i am looking for budget basshead iem, which doesnt care about anything else then bass. Thinking about getting legato but is there any other good options?
 
Aug 2, 2023 at 7:07 PM Post #84,294 of 103,846
I thought you meant the single dynamic drive model. I remember my friend turning on the bass button on the amp because the bass just wasn't enough for him. then i sold it to someone and he said it was no better than his fiio fd 5. The kylin series has similar issues with treble, he10 also fixed it a bit but not as textured treble as needed.


hey, anyone have any tws recommendations? I was thinking about momentum, but when I found out that tws don't last long, I think it's unnecessary to spend that much money. I have lenovo's ridiculous tws and a moondrop space travel that I ordered to review. I mean, I have mediocre models, I'm looking for something medium. it can be any product of any brand, with the exception of fiio and strange kz. connection features are not so important for me, ldac and above average sound are enough
Big tws thread on head fi. But based on what you've said I think the Fiil CC Pro2 looks interesting. That would be my next purchase if I was looking.
 
Aug 2, 2023 at 7:08 PM Post #84,295 of 103,846
I'm looking for a bass iem that cost under 200 usd. I already have est 50 and 10th, and i think they both do bass very well. I also own oh10 which is also a bassey iem.

But i am looking for budget basshead iem, which doesnt care about anything else then bass. Thinking about getting legato but is there any other good options?
Focus EDM?
 
Aug 2, 2023 at 7:58 PM Post #84,296 of 103,846
🥳 Xenns Mangird Top 🥳

Anytime that I'm checking out a new IEM, I keep away from the Top. Otherwise the new set always sounds anemic.

Learned my lesson when I tried out the Aful P8. The P8 has virtually no (perceived) mid-bass, once I'm acclimated to the Top.
Aful P8 vs Top.jpg
The wait for my Xenns Top is killing me!
 
Aug 2, 2023 at 8:06 PM Post #84,297 of 103,846
The Quintet's time has come and gone. In the IEM world, you strike when you are released. There is no such thing as a slow burn in IEMs (yes, there are rare exceptions to EVERYTHING). So the Quintet will be an IEM that some might get as a completist, on deep discount on recc, or 2nd hand by someone who already owns them or lost them, but as far as finding it's feet as a best of 2023? That boat has sailed. Maybe the follow up?
I still think it’s unique and noteworthy, I mean it just came out? Not everyone is on a timeline like this forum here represents.

Come and gone in a matter of weeks? :) Do you own it? Oh wait? Have you even heard it?
 
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Aug 2, 2023 at 8:27 PM Post #84,298 of 103,846
I still think it’s unique and noteworthy, I mean it just came out? Not everyone is on a timeline like this forum here represents.

Come and gone in a matter of weeks? :) Do you own it? Oh wait? Have you even heard it?
Good gear remains good.

But most of us in this thread are at the bleeding edge of the "industry", so we are always curious about the newer ones. I mean, let's face it. You guys would be bored to dead and start to suspect "hidden agenda" if one keeps mentioning an old IEM, regardless of how prestigious that old IEM is. And it's fine. It's discovery. We like strange new stuffs.

I'm looking forward for impressions about that IEM with ear vibration thingy.
 
Aug 2, 2023 at 8:38 PM Post #84,299 of 103,846
Good gear remains good.

But most of us in this thread are at the bleeding edge of the "industry", so we are always curious about the newer ones. I mean, let's face it. You guys would be bored to dead and start to suspect "hidden agenda" if one keeps mentioning an old IEM, regardless of how prestigious that old IEM is. And it's fine. It's discovery. We like strange new stuffs.

I'm looking forward for impressions about that IEM with ear vibration thingy.
Maybe it’s just me, but there are a few TRN introductions that I could repost as cutting-edge new (from March) and people would maybe think they were brand new!

No, I don’t think people would think “hidden agenda” if a few weeks old one gets mentioned? I mean this thread is about finding IEMs, is it not? So? What if we actually find one, are we supposed to then forget about it?

But I do realize that due to the productivity of the industry it would be hard to keep churning the pot, over and over, of the 100 IEMs that just came out.

And yes, stuff is in many ways getting better and better. But every company has their very own timeline of technology, and how it is introduced. Maybe some IEMs they have been working on for a year?

Wild though, the Quintet was released exactly one month ago? Lol
 
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Aug 2, 2023 at 8:42 PM Post #84,300 of 103,846
Once more, Dunu S&S are very good. I experienced no discomfort, they maintain lots of bass (probably due to being quite deep) and they aid soundstage.
Its what I use on the Performer 8
 

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