Jul 24, 2021 at 8:36 AM Post #58,036 of 150,757
Jul 24, 2021 at 8:38 AM Post #58,037 of 150,757
Looks like an OEM KBEAR BElieve?
The might be the original source though.

"as a group of engineers Dharma Audio who has a track record of undertaking various OEMs from cheap mass-produced earphones to special models equipped with dozens of BA drivers in the 400,000 yen class for 15 years at manufacturers in the United States, Japan, and China."

https://daruma-audio.co.jp/corporate2
 
Jul 24, 2021 at 9:05 AM Post #58,038 of 150,757
Just few thoughts on GK10 and the hype:

DT-6 and DT-6 pro of S...r are tribrids at ~$25.

If to resend them to few reviewers for their "unbiased opinion", we can safely "unbiasedly" bet that they will be very noteworthy and really great price/performance ratio :)

The question what would drive 8-Ohm IEM was largely left unanswered, so saving $45 for popcorn makes it really enjoyable to watch where this hype train will drive to, thank you! :)
 
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Jul 24, 2021 at 9:15 AM Post #58,040 of 150,757
Just few thoughts on GK10 and the hype:

DT-6 and DT-6 pro of S...r are tribrids at ~$25.

If to resend them to few reviewers for their "unbiased opinion", we can safely "unbiasedly" bet that they will be very noteworthy and really great price/performance ratio :)

The question what would drive 8-Ohm IEM was largely left unanswered, so saving $45 for popcorn makes it really enjoyable to watch where this hype train will drive to, thank you! :)
Honestly, that's the exact reason why I took a punt on them. I had both S....r models and in fact gave away the non-pro version to my office colleague.

Pro version is good but still doesn't hold a candle to any of my other IEMs. And, my 90% collection is under $50. I really want to test this hype train. And yes, that 8 ohm impedance is a critical factor, to get a source that is able to drive them without putting unnecessary stress on the IEM is important. I had played too safe for last 2-3 years, so went a bit rogue with this one. If it works out then great, if not, well it's Chi-fi and we roll on😂
 
Jul 24, 2021 at 9:16 AM Post #58,041 of 150,757
Just few thoughts on GK10 and the hype:

DT-6 and DT-6 pro of S...r are tribrids at ~$25.

If to resend them to few reviewers for their "unbiased opinion", we can safely "unbiasedly" bet that they will be very noteworthy and really great price/performance ratio :)

The question what would drive 8-Ohm IEM was largely left unanswered, so saving $45 for popcorn makes it really enjoyable to watch where this hype train will drive to, thank you! :)

I'm not sure I can interpret what you're saying here...

Although I am categorically 'all-in' on this hype train, I've made my descriptions as objective as possible. As for driving the GK10, I've found more power helps the DDs shine. Hiss is only a slight issue for me on my sources (Shanling M8, high gain) and amp (Cayin C9, low gain). I couldn't put a number on what is 'sufficient' or 'adequate' as I don't have many sources/amps to test, but I'm currently pumping about 4 watts into these without issue, clipping or distortion but with minor audible hiss.

It sounds great out of the Shanling M8 on turbo gain, which is rated at 840mW into 32ohms.
 
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Jul 24, 2021 at 9:21 AM Post #58,042 of 150,757
I'm not sure I can interpret what you're saying here...

Although I am categorically 'all-in' on this hype train, I've made my descriptions as objective as possible. As for driving the GK10, I've found more power helps the DDs shine. Hiss is only a slightly issue for me on my sources (Shanling M8, high gain) and amp (Cayin C9, low gain). I couldn't put a number on what is 'sufficient' or 'adequate' as I don't have many sources/amps to test, but I'm currently pumping about 4 watts into these without issue, clipping or distortion but with minor audible hiss.

It sounds great out of the Shanling M8 on turbo gain, which is rated at 840mW into 32ohms.
It is the output impedance that is worrying because of the low impedance. With only 8ohm, you would want a source that is no more than 1 ohm in output impedance.
otherwise you get hiss and possible FR changes.
 
Jul 24, 2021 at 9:23 AM Post #58,043 of 150,757
I'm not sure I can interpret what you're saying here...

Although I am categorically 'all-in' on this hype train, I've made my descriptions as objective as possible. As for driving the GK10, I've found more power helps the DDs shine. Hiss is only a slightly issue for me on my sources (Shanling M8, high gain) and amp (Cayin C9, low gain). I couldn't put a number on what is 'sufficient' or 'adequate' as I don't have many sources/amps to test, but I'm currently pumping about 4 watts into these without issue, clipping or distortion but with minor audible hiss.

It sounds great out of the Shanling M8 on turbo gain, which is rated at 840mW into 32ohms.
Considering it is a relatively easy to drive IEMs with low impedance and high sensitivity, wouldn't that much power lead to some damage to the circuit or even worse your hearing? Because I'm sure they might be super duper loud even at low volumes.
 
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Jul 24, 2021 at 9:24 AM Post #58,044 of 150,757
It is the output impedance that is worrying because of the low impedance. With only 8ohm, you would want a source that is no more than 1 ohm in output impedance.
otherwise you get hiss and possible FR changes.

I appreciate this, what's reassuring for me is my C9 handles it well and what I hear is excellent. I look forward to seeing FR graphs and what changes occur by output impedance.
 
Jul 24, 2021 at 9:24 AM Post #58,045 of 150,757
It is the output impedance that is worrying because of the low impedance. With only 8ohm, you would want a source that is no more than 1 ohm in output impedance.
otherwise you get hiss and possible FR changes.
Exactly! For this IEM, even cable change would actually sounds believable because it will definitely alter the FR and also potentially deviate from the intended signature
 
Jul 24, 2021 at 9:25 AM Post #58,046 of 150,757
Considering it is a relatively easy to drive IEMs with low impedance and high sensitivity, wouldn't that much power lead to some damage to the circuit or even worse your hearing? Because I'm they might be super duper loud even at low volumes.

Interestingly, on low gain on the Cayin C9 I get to about 10-11am (audible at about 9am) on the volume pot, which would suggest theres plenty of room to play with this power output.
 
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Jul 24, 2021 at 9:26 AM Post #58,047 of 150,757
Considering it is a relatively easy to drive IEMs with low impedance and high sensitivity, wouldn't that much power lead to some damage to the circuit or even worse your hearing? Because I'm they might be super duper loud even at low volumes.
The high currents needed are exactly the problem.
Very few sources that I know are claimed/certified to drive IEM below 16 Ohm.

Those with high-level DAPs will be surely fine, but not the majority of people subscribing to this hype train...
 
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Jul 24, 2021 at 9:29 AM Post #58,048 of 150,757
Interestingly, on low gain on the Cayin C9 I get to about 10-11am on the volume pot, which would suggest theres plenty of room to play with this power output.
Wow! YMMV but that's a bit risky for your ear health. Take care, because I can't even imagine how loud they will be at that volume.
 
Jul 24, 2021 at 9:32 AM Post #58,049 of 150,757
Wow! YMMV but that's a bit risky for your ear health. Take care, because I can't even imagine how loud they will be at that volume.

Thanks for your concern! They're not especially loud to my ear and very comfortable. No discomfort or tinnitus after listening.
 
Jul 24, 2021 at 9:39 AM Post #58,050 of 150,757
The high currents needed are exactly the problem.
Very few sources that I know are claimed/certified to drive IEM below 16 Ohm.

Those with high-level DAPs will be surely fine, but not the majority of people subscribing to this hype train...
Exactly. I might invest in an impedance adapter or ifi iematch+ to mitigate this.
 

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