The discovery thread!
May 12, 2021 at 11:56 AM Post #56,446 of 101,582
Reasonably priced?! Just for a cable?! 😅

That costs more than any single audio purchase I've ever made! 😂

yeah, I went to the website and it looked like the cable was $299, but later I realized you had to use the drop down menu to select it and the price jumped significantly. 😒
 
May 12, 2021 at 11:58 AM Post #56,447 of 101,582
Are they available anywhere except Aliexpress?

Also, let us know how is the isolation as well.
I bought them on Ali, so don't know about availability elsewhere. They are open, really open, so isolation is really minimal, compared to proper iems :)
Soundwise I am not shure yet, they are quite dark sounding, first thought that came to my head was analog or tube sound if that makes any sense :) I really liked them with some of the music I have listened to. They are really tuned differently.
Edit: The built quality is really something else, they have some heft to them, but they don't feel heavy in the ears. Cable is also really usable and I don't have a need to replace it straight away. Will make some better pictures tomorrow if I have time.
 
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May 12, 2021 at 12:17 PM Post #56,449 of 101,582
What are these?
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May 12, 2021 at 3:13 PM Post #56,451 of 101,582
Final VR3000 for Gaming
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an E500 upgrade for neutral reference tuning? Will try. Although the package says for Gaming, due to their marketing strategy, this may work as solid IEM. An impression will follow.

[Out of box impression]
-Sound signature similar to HD560S, slightly colored upper mid with mostly neutral and natural timbre
-very accurate in terms of natural sound reproduction
-Higher-resolution compared to E500, for $80, it falls short for just average in terms of resolution
-Again same to E500, best in class sound image coordination and positioning, perfectly aligned for the usage of binaural/live recording reproduction and monitoring
-Very realistic diffusion field
-Fits smaller ears, 30% smaller compared to Moondrop's Aria/Starfield/KXXS, KBEar Lark, KZ ZAX EDX, DQ6
-For regular-sized ears this may work as a side sleep bud
-Compared to E500, it's not pure neutral, the curve has some peaks sounding similar to Etymotics
-Very smooth from top to bottom, no signs of any flaws, recommendable as a non-fatiguing and natural sound reproducing choice

What's so special about VR3000?
I'll say Timbral accuracy and natural decay, wider diffusion field compared to E500, great dynamic range presentation.
Diffusion is accurate, not over, not under, just right.

Analog recording sounds so live, it's not the resolution or any instrument separation thing, it's the tonality and decay that sounds so welcoming. Hard to find this kind of natural sound reproduction IEMs, I can only think of ER2SE for dynamic natural sound IEM. If you like the over-ear IEM type smaller enough for side sleep, this may be a better choice.

TRDL; VR3000 for Gaming ($79)is a great choice as a "Reality Simulator", alternatives will be "smarter choice" Final E500 ($20-24), and "forget about diminishing value of return"; Softears RSV ($729).


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QKZ VK4; out of box, muddy. Need burnin.
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TRN MT1: very impressed right out of box, great EDX killer.
 
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May 12, 2021 at 10:51 PM Post #56,453 of 101,582
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This was a surprise. Didn't think these would end up being polarizing for the headfi crew but polarizing they are. I think a bit of understanding needs to happen here for better context about the FH5s. First off I can clearly see what the other reviewers are talking about. These have BAs in the nozzles. Some are not a fan of that design including myself. Marketing propaganda says this was done to lessen resonances and such in the treble ranges for cleaner clearer treble ect ect.

All that is marketing and I get the idea there but at the same time I own much higher end and even lesser IEMS that don't do the nozzle treble thing and those sound fantastic so I really don't get the need to do it unless we are talking about space limitations in a housing. But to be real it comes down to how a phone is tuned. How Fiio achieved their end goal for these earphones.

You guys are looking at earphones that was made for the Asian market. These are doing very well in China right now so I was told. The Chinese prefer that treble sparkle and treble to be up front. If you think about it who do you guys think these are really made for? Whos gonna buy a lot of these the western world, Euros or folks in Asia. You do the math. It is a business move. You need to move units in order to produce more stuff and pay the staff at the same time which also pays for that marvelous marketing for your shiny new earphones.

I remember Audio Technica when they were way popular here on Headfi when I joined up had a house sound that would RAPE your ears. I kid you not. The upper mid and treble extension was beyond human hearing but they tuned those that way due to what the Japanese enthusiasts wanted at the time.

ATH-AD700 anyone?
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The idea of the switches there dont hide the fact that these use BAs in the nozzles and emit BA timbre and sparkly treble front and center. You get a fairly smooth balanced sounding mids and some decent bass out of these with an airy stage and then you get that BA treble on top of it. This isn't anything new and while you guys can imagine poorly tuned screetchy Chi fi BGVP, TRN, KZ, to name a few. BAs in the nozzle designs as some would like to describe the sound of these.

These are not as bad as you would think. You gotta remember these aren't really catering to us and I mean you and me that is reading about these. Marketing might tell you differently but just know for every enthusiast that are headfi members outside of China,, there are 10s of thousands more in China. If you think Fiio does not know how to tune their earphones. You are wrong. They know exactly what they are doing. Much more than you would imagine. These might not get the nod from a lot of reviewers outside of China but who cares as long as they sell out everywhere in China. This was also the reason why there was ample treble presence on the FD5 as well. But the newer FH5s is even more catering to the Chinese market. Dragon scales anyone?

So this is the reason why these are tuned and sound like they do but to be honest they dont sound like a complete fail to me. My advice about these. Try to read in the middle of things. Folks that go overboard one way vs the other. The truth lies somewhere in between. Crazy as that sounds.
I will be writing about these but just know initial reviews aren't wrong but there is much more to the FH5s than you would imagine. There are reasons behind such design choices.
 
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May 13, 2021 at 12:32 AM Post #56,454 of 101,582
Oh boy, enthusiasm can be expensive...

Today I put a pretty blue ribbon around my cable. The sound transformed magnificiently - the stage enhancement, more authorative punchy bass, shimmering ethereal highs, the mids are more upfront and more tangible, and those vocals are just... just totally something, you know!

In case, you may start to wonder what this blue ribbon could possibly do to a cable - great, then do the next step, try to ask for any measurement of the other "great cable" that is claimed to sound so definitely better.

Until such evidence is clearly demonstrated, my claim is equally reasonable, as supported by the evidence :)
I am writing for cable enthusiasts, not you. :)
 
May 13, 2021 at 4:06 AM Post #56,455 of 101,582
any news on upcoming new iems ?
 
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May 13, 2021 at 4:27 AM Post #56,456 of 101,582
any news on upcoming new iems ?
Oh, man! There's a lot in the next months or so! Though the only IEMs I know of are sub-200 USD ones:

KB Ear Neon (single Knowles) and a triple-DD (planned)
Audiosense DT300 (triple Knowles)
Tin HiFi T2 Evo
KZ headphone 🤭 (was asked about this. Not yet sure if they'll push the product through, but they did ask for my suggestions for a new product as well. I said they should release an all-BA using Knowles, planar, EST, or exotic driver IEM 😗)
Whizzer HE03 Al
Etymotic Evo
TRN X7
BLON Prometheus and Z200

For the other teased IEMs that I missed, feel free to add them.
 
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May 13, 2021 at 5:16 AM Post #56,457 of 101,582
I am writing for cable enthusiasts, not you. :)
I am a cable enthusiast :)
I enjoy more than 30 different cables.
My message is about the evidence, thinking and common sense.
 
May 13, 2021 at 6:06 AM Post #56,458 of 101,582
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This was a surprise. Didn't think these would end up being polarizing for the headfi crew but polarizing they are. I think a bit of understanding needs to happen here for better context about the FH5s. First off I can clearly see what the other reviewers are talking about. These have BAs in the nozzles. Some are not a fan of that design including myself. Marketing propaganda says this was done to lessen resonances and such in the treble ranges for cleaner clearer treble ect ect.

All that is marketing and I get the idea there but at the same time I own much higher end and even lesser IEMS that don't do the nozzle treble thing and those sound fantastic so I really don't get the need to do it unless we are talking about space limitations in a housing. But to be real it comes down to how a phone is tuned. How Fiio achieved their end goal for these earphones.

You guys are looking at earphones that was made for the Asian market. These are doing very well in China right now so I was told. The Chinese prefer that treble sparkle and treble to be up front. If you think about it who do you guys think these are really made for? Whos gonna buy a lot of these the western world, Euros or folks in Asia. You do the math. It is a business move. You need to move units in order to produce more stuff and pay the staff at the same time which also pays for that marvelous marketing for your shiny new earphones.

I remember Audio Technica when they were way popular here on Headfi when I joined up had a house sound that would RAPE your ears. I kid you not. The upper mid and treble extension was beyond human hearing but they tuned those that way due to what the Japanese enthusiasts wanted at the time.

ATH-AD700 anyone? 1620872449282.png

The idea of the switches there dont hide the fact that these use BAs in the nozzles and emit BA timbre and sparkly treble front and center. You get a fairly smooth balanced sounding mids and some decent bass out of these with an airy stage and then you get that BA treble on top of it. This isn't anything new and while you guys can imagine poorly tuned screetchy Chi fi BGVP, TRN, KZ, to name a few. BAs in the nozzle designs as some would like to describe the sound of these.

These are not as bad as you would think. You gotta remember these aren't really catering to us and I mean you and me that is reading about these. Marketing might tell you differently but just know for every enthusiast that are headfi members outside of China,, there are 10s of thousands more in China. If you think Fiio does not know how to tune their earphones. You are wrong. They know exactly what they are doing. Much more than you would imagine. These might not get the nod from a lot of reviewers outside of China but who cares as long as they sell out everywhere in China. This was also the reason why there was ample treble presence on the FD5 as well. But the newer FH5s is even more catering to the Chinese market. Dragon scales anyone?

So this is the reason why these are tuned and sound like they do but to be honest they dont sound like a complete fail to me. My advice about these. Try to read in the middle of things. Folks that go overboard one way vs the other. The truth lies somewhere in between. Crazy as that sounds.
I will be writing about these but just know initial reviews aren't wrong but there is much more to the FH5s than you would imagine. There are reasons behind such design choices.
I really really love the fact that giving this iem an 3.5/5 seems to make it the worst thing out there. Sure, maybe for head-fi and with all the reviewers out there giving scores that are always over 4/5 and NEVER goes below it unless it is utterly crap. Would make my review on it be the same way.

But maybe you guys are forgetting that the rating doesnt start from 4 and end at 5, no, it starts at 0 and ends at 5. 3.5 is above average in that regard.....
 
May 13, 2021 at 6:36 AM Post #56,459 of 101,582
I really really love the fact that giving this iem an 3.5/5 seems to make it the worst thing out there. Sure, maybe for head-fi and with all the reviewers out there giving scores that are always over 4/5 and NEVER goes below it unless it is utterly crap. Would make my review on it be the same way.

But maybe you guys are forgetting that the rating doesnt start from 4 and end at 5, no, it starts at 0 and ends at 5. 3.5 is above average in that regard.....
it's not a linear scale,
the half way / average is 3.5,
3 is below average,
4 is above average.
 
May 13, 2021 at 6:41 AM Post #56,460 of 101,582
it's not a linear scale,
the half way / average is 3.5,
3 is below average,
4 is above average.
Point is, people are overreacting like its the end of the world. It isnt, Fiio simply made an iem that is too meh to stand out amongst the highly competitive iem world.
 

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