[aspire5550]

HI guys, I just had a chat with BGVP's boss. A few things which I would like to share from our conversation :

1) NiceHCK M6 is not the same as DMG. They are just a copy of DMG. Attached here is a official letter by BGVP:

2) Regarding the vent hole at the back of the earphone that @Dsnuts mentioned. The picture of DMG where they have the holes are infact, pre-production pictures. BGVP never released any production dmgs with back vent hole. Regarding the way where BGVP will clear off old stock is debunked as the newer silver colored DMG also have the exact same vent holes as the current DMG.

The reason they removed the back vent is because they added the big vent hole next to the MMCX pin. This improves the airy-ness of the earphone and this is the one and only version of DMG for now.

3) Gary ( the boss), mentioned that they believe the copy uses cheaper local BA drivers from china while the drivers used in DMG are custom made from Knowles, which explains the difference between the price.The reason BGVP didn't advertise it as knowles driver is because they slapped on BGVP's logo , they can't show any prove of their order from knowles because they are not allowed to do so by contract.

4) Gary actually mentioned that he welcome us to go for a teardown to do a 1 to 1 comparison between M6 and DMG to prove that they are different. He did say that there is something good which comes from his product being copied, we can compare between the 2 earphones to decide which is better.

5) Gary said DMG actually have the HI-Res certificate while the M6 probably does not have it.

 

[aspire5550]

Next, I asked him about the topic on DM6.

1) They have already stopped receiving any orders from all their resellers (aliexpress, taobao) and will be focusing on completing the orders that they have at hand.

2) Each and every DM6 is 100% hand made, which explains why they are slower to be produced. The steps to make a DM6 is complex and will take time. No worries about the quality, they pay attention to the quality and will not rush any step. They even polish the DM6 by hand.

3) They churn out DM6s daily and aim to complete the backlog by December. Also, they have made more than 1000 DM6s till date.

4) Gary want's the customer to understand that DM6 is not just a simple product, they are also a form of ART. Hope that everyone understand that it is not their intention to delay, but DM6 really takes time to be produced as it is pure handmade process.

Here is their official statement:
<Official Announcement>

It is vulnerable for new brand if we cannot hear your ideas. We are sincerely sorry for the long time shipping about BGVP DM6. We did not expect the huge inquires of BGVP DM6. Thank you so much for all your support. In order to provide you with the best quality of BGVP DM6, based on current situation, we decided to stop selling BGVP DM6 until we finished current orders. Here are several reasons that why we stop selling now:

The production for BGVP DM6 is very slow. It is hand-made. We can only produce several items each day. In order to provide you with the best quality of BGVP DM6, we will also take more time for testing before it is ready to ship to you.

Some sellers sold BGVP DM6 at very lower price on Aliexpress to attract more orders without our permission, which caused a lot of complainment. We also noticed that they ignore your inquires about your purchase order. We are upset that they didnot care about the customer service of our brand. We are here to express our regret for causing you any inconvenience.

As new brand, We BGVP want to provide you with one of the best audio experience. We care about all your ideas and read all your comments, reviews. You are helping us to move forward. Without you, we cannot achieve anything. If you have any ideas, please send us PM. We will reply you as soon as possible.

We will try our best to enhance the production capacity and ship your item to you as soon as we can. If you have any inquires, you can contact us directly and we will check your order status. If you have any suggestions, please help to share your valuable ideas with us.

These are some picture and videos that gary sent me, i have uploaded them to imgur: https://imgur.com/a/RWTsuEI?

 

[darkwing]

thank you for the update, very bad part on NiceHCK

 

[crabdog]

HI guys, I just had a chat with BGVP's boss. A few things which I would like to share from our conversation :

1) NiceHCK M6 is not the same as DMG. They are just a copy of DMG. Attached here is a official letter by BGVP:

2) Regarding the vent hole at the back of the earphone that @Dsnuts mentioned. The picture of DMG where they have the holes are infact, pre-production pictures. BGVP never released any production dmgs with back vent hole. Regarding the way where BGVP will clear off old stock is debunked as the newer silver colored DMG also have the exact same vent holes as the current DMG.

The reason they removed the back vent is because they added the big vent hole next to the MMCX pin. This improves the airy-ness of the earphone and this is the one and only version of DMG for now.

3) Gary ( the boss), mentioned that they believe the copy uses cheaper local BA drivers from china while the drivers used in DMG are custom made from Knowles, which explains the difference between the price.The reason BGVP didn't advertise it as knowles driver is because they slapped on BGVP's logo , they can't show any prove of their order from knowles because they are not allowed to do so by contract.

4) Gary actually mentioned that he welcome us to go for a teardown to do a 1 to 1 comparison between M6 and DMG to prove that they are different. He did say that there is something good which comes from his product being copied, we can compare between the 2 earphones to decide which is better.

5) Gary said DMG actually have the HI-Res certificate while the M6 probably does not have it.

Thanks for clearing that up. Unfounded claims tend to be thrown loosely on the forums. While speculation is healthy, there should be a distinction between knowing something and believing something.

 

[Wiljen]

I wonder why Knowles would prevent them from using the name though? Usually Knowles is proud of its products and wants people to say so. Now granted there is a process for being able to use their logo on the front of your packaging (like what Fiio did) but I have never heard of them saying you can't use our name.

 

[aspire5550]

I wonder why Knowles would prevent them from using the name though? Usually Knowles is proud of its products and wants people to say so. Now granted there is a process for being able to use their logo on the front of your packaging (like what Fiio did) but I have never heard of them saying you can't use our name.

No, he didn't mention about knowles prevent BGVP from using their name. He just mentioned that BGVP didn't use knowles' name because they slapped on the bgvp branding on the drivers. What he cannot show, is the prove that these BGVP drivers are made by knowles, (I think he meant that he cannot show me the contract between BGVP and knowles.)

 

[thejoker13]

I allow myself to copy paced my comment of another thread to answer your question. It is below.
I can add that I played with different cables in the meantime and found one cheap TRN (with less impedance probably) which lets guitar strings sound more natural.
I like the TSMR-3. One of my three current favourites.
But I have a used Andromeda on its way to me. So, will see, how long the TSMR will stay with me

Thank you, sounds very interesting indeed and seems to suit my preferences. I appreciate your help!

 

[jant71]

Saw this one getting announced on Baidu. Couldnt be more excited as I write this down with the Kanas pro in my ears...

Whether it will actually look like that seems not confirmed but if they are the new dynamic flagship above the Kanas they are very interesting and are one at the top of my list to watch and perhaps try out.

thank you for the update, very bad part on NiceHCK

We might have another "seller that shall not be named" pretty soon.

 

[Dsnuts]

Hello.

Thanks for your recommendation.

For now I'm waiting for an 8-core TRN cable to arrive:

https://es.aliexpress.com/store/pro...-Mixed-Cable-For-TRN/1825606_32945443691.html

I do not know if it will be necessary to buy a better one, but I have seen this one with 16 cores, which is not very expensive:

https://www.aliexpress.com/store/pr...4-4mm-Plug-MMCX-2Pin/1825606_32954926911.html

Although in general, the sound I get from the M6 with the reference filter and the serial cable I already like a lot, is very close to my ideal sound within 200 $.

If you like how they sound now. Wait till you get your newer cables. I have yet to hear a cable that makes the M6 sound worse. They all make it sound better and I have tried 5 different cables on it.

As per the M6 being copies. They are copies made by the same folks that made the DMGs. I was told they are all made by the same OEM. Of course Jim told me this and supposedly this OEM also makes KZ products among numerous others.

Can't verify if the components are the same or different on the M6 vs the DMGs but to my ears owning both. There is little difference between the two earphones. Everything about the sound is identical if anything I actually prefer the M6 due to better clarity in the treble.

 

[Dsnuts]

If they are copies they are darn good copies. Lol.

 

[jant71]

C'mon Ds, you know you want to open them up. Get the hammer!

 

[superuser1]

lol this Jim sounds like a super guy!

 

[Dsnuts]

Ya I am curious about the innards now. lol. But I actually like the M6 too much to butcher it. I am gonna sell my older DMG to a work friend who likes it a lot.

 

[Redcarmoose]

If they are copies they are darn good copies. Lol.

 

[Dsnuts]

Chinese copying the Chinese. What has this world come to.