The discovery thread!

[pk4425]

This helps me carry out a process where I buy a smaller number of better audio equipment. I can do just enough business with MusicTeck, Bloom, and Audio46 to keep me interested.

Totally get your drift, man.

I'm one of the tightest mofos in here, and the longer these tariffs hike prices on our beloved audio toys, the more I feel disconnected from the hobby. Hell, I'm probably going to order the Juzear Defiant from Amazon this week just to try it. Part of that is due to its almost universal praise since release, but part of it is I miss a new set!

So, these tariff-induced higher prices must be torture for an avid purchaser like you! Hang in there, man. Your wallet thanks you, though.

 

[FreeWheelinAudioLuv2]

Dude: So nice to see you back here. You've been missed.

Sorry for all the troubles in your life. You are doing honorable work, caring for elderly relatives, as cruel and soul-sapping as it may be. I'm a firm believer that people who are good will get paid back in some way later in life. Believe that, because you're doing a really good thing.

Glad the music has carried you. It certainly has buoyed me during times of strife in my life.

Hang in there, mate. Feel free to post more often, if you have time. You're always among friends here.

Yes, I use Velvets on my Volume S. My favorite current set!

Sorry, man: too much of an open-ended question. What type of music do you like? Open-back or closed-back? What's your preferred sound signature? Let me know, and I'm happy to recommend a few pairs.

Thanks to all for the birthday greetings. Great party. About 30 people. Tons of laughs, food, booze, smoke and music. Also busted out an acoustic jam in the backyard with three other dudes. Played six or seven songs. Massive fun. Then my buddy's wife faceplanted in my front yard when she walked out of her flip-flops after numerous beers.

Yep, it was that kind of party!

The first, but sadly not the last. Companies will eat the difference only for so long. Prices are heading north for American consumers, very soon.

Just realize that the vast majority of Amazon reviews are fabricated garbage, and you'll be fine. You're asking for a crapshoot of trouble if Amazon reviews are your only source of information before pressing the Buy button.

I was in Vine for about two or three months. Never got anything offered to review other than trinkets like rubber spatulas and drain stoppers. It's a scam.

I use the stock cables with my Aether. Ugly as hell, but the IEM sounds damn good. I don't cable roll, but I do know the Aether is the most power-hungry IEM I own. It's one of only two or three -- joining the MagicOne and Hype 2 (sometimes) -- that I use high gain on my 1 watt per channel JDS Labs Atom+ desktop amp because I think it NEEDS that to sound good.

You could use strands of God's hair as cables, and the Aether still will sound like ass if you're underpowering it. The Aether INHALES power.

Yeah. Vine used to be more review specific, but I haven't done a review for Amazon in years. I was a "professional" reviewer for them over a decade ago. They still send me pokes and prods asking me if I've seen my reviews and the impact it has, and I think to myself "No. Because I don't give a crap for something I reviewed 13 years ago, and I have no intention of writing anything new."

Yeah, MagicOne and Aether are power hungry beasts. Good thing I got the M21 with Desktop Mode, because there more than enough power in that feed (especially 4.4mm).

@Vonbuddy - I love MT, A46, Bloom and let's not forget Headphones dot com. I typically purchase most of my sources from any one of them, but they rarely carry any budget friendly IEMs. Most of their stock are IEMs that start about $200 and up. Now yes, they do have a few exceptions, but it's an exception more than a rule, and most Chi-fi aren't sold, so for the budget conscious consumer, you're still stuck with Alix or the Chi-fi stores. Still, I love picking up gear from these stores, thanks to their occasional killer deals and the open box sales that really aren't open box.

@pk4425 - did you pick up the ISN H60 yet? If not, and you're still waffling or buying "sidelights", then you are not doing your ears or spirit any favors. Just do the right thing and PTT! Really. But, if you're gonna get anything, the Defiant is a special unit. It's most definitely a gatekeeper in it's price range, and will serve your classic rock and alt rock playlists well, as it's a great all-arounder, and the top end won't offend your treble tinnitus, while still exhibiting solid incisiveness (think Explorer).

 

[alexandros a]

Are you saying this is a bass head set? Or just provides extremely high quality bass?

Because a bass head set this is not.

This.... allow me to say/state it depends of how you look at it.... If in your dictionary a Basshead Set is something that you cannot discern one frequency segment over the other then it's certainly not that set.... If you take a look at my signature segment you ll see several Basshead monitors Meaning objecticallly Basshead Sets not to my subjective opinion but according to most people opinion.... And YES I do consider my self (among other things) a Basshead kind of guy.. And making my self more clear to you and everyone here.. and understand how I see/evaluate monitors (to my subjective opinion always) any Basshead monitor has to keep it's bass response in Top Prioriry obtaining a certain bass self most distinctive to any listener and having any potentail listener also addicted to its bass response/signature making him/her going back and ask for that particular set again and again and again... of course for its unique bass representation of the lower frequencies always compared to other sets/tunings.. .. It has to present Impact, texture, dimentionality /weight depth and heft.. and most of all that particular grande /overwhelming feeling /vastness over the lows... a unique feeling that sets like for example Oriolus Szalayi easily and effortlesly demonstrates... Speaking of these afformentioned sound qualities YES i believe after 200 hours of continuous burn (this also to my humble ears makes/resultsto to a difference..) and thus I could clasify this one as a basshead quality set just because its bass response it's the most dramatic and noticeable feature over Defiant... Of course any individual opinion /notion may vary over my thoughts but anyway I just thought speaking clear of how I feel /see a set piced at 99 $.. I personally haven't heard any bass like this one at this price range... which most certainly means something for me at least...

On the other hand.... I went on and pre ordered FatFreq Deuces last summer 2024 just because Felt like a basshead dream judging for other people opinions and the reputation of FatFreq as far bass goes and was highly dissapointed for my bad luck not from its bass response which is tremendous allright but from it's overall tuning choise leaving the midrange sooo.. unbelievably behind from The rest of The spectrum... Not to mention that it sure needs to feed its restless hunger with probably some kind of nuclear power/reactor in order to reach a more correct timbre and probably tonality... The upper harmonics were completely dead over that much hyped set.... (a colaboration as well)... So... What if that one was promoted as a tremendous bass experience ideal for bassheada if it the tuning doesn't work correct to your ears???
That's all.... Sorry everyone if I kept writing on an on here... just needed to express my point of view/thoughts.. .. My arguement... : If you or anyone else at this forum needs more bass.. more impact or anything else that affects bass response overall from any set this is absolutely fine and completely understood by me.... Having heard though some Bass Giants over my time here at this hobby the least I can say is if not a basshead monitor.. Defiant is certainly a Bass Orientated monitor borned for bass driven music
(if that makes any difference???... ... For me it doesn’t but... Anyway......)
This one simply blew my humble ears.. 100 percent that is ... And maybe a statement like.. DEFYING ALL BASS MONSTERS is truly an exaggeration allright... but it meant for demonstrating Defiant's tremendous bass personality always according to my opinion.......
I would happily give/pay 200 $ for that BASS alone man.....

 

[Jmop]

Howdy folks, my review of Hidizs MK12 Turris is online on head-fi and my blog. I hope you enjoy the reading and please do visit the blog if you can. There is no ads, no affiliation link, but it makes me happy to see the number going up

Spoiler: tl;dr:

So, what do I make of the MK12? It’s refreshingly unpretentious—despite the lofty “Turritopsis dohrnii” inspiration and name. It’s honest, embracing the quirks and character of a single dynamic driver without pretending to be something more. More importantly, it’s a bloody fun listen. Sure, I have a fair few quibbles with the tonal balance and wish the technical performance could be a notch sharper. But most of these gripes vanish the moment the bass kicks in. Crucially, it delivers its toe-tapping fun without drowning the mix in a bloated bass shelf or turning everything into a rumbling mess. No, this is a straightforward, unadorned bass that gets the job done with integrity. To borrow a phrase from a certain Flying Dutchman: “simply lovely.”

Updated: June 7, 2025

(@bixby : yup, I saw your yelling at the sky in other review and ensure that I include the price of this IEM in my review)

@Jmop no idea, mate. Does the SP01 have good bass? The 12mm driver in this MK12 is darn good for bass.

Edit: I just realised that this is my 91 reviews on head-fi, meaning I have at least 90 audiophile stuffs in my drawer at this very moment. Absolutely insane when you take a step back and look at the whole thing. Much appreciated to all of you good folks who have been reading my stuffs for 90 articles.

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Just for fun, (and partially due to the light jest of @FreeWheelinAudioLuv2 about Cantor), I plug Cantor to my FD5 to watch this epic video again when packing everything up after the review. It's hard to articulate how far ahead the technical performance of Cantor is compared to everything I tested to finish the review of Hidizs MK12. It's like the entire spectrum from top to bottom is razor sharp and lightning fast. Nothing is mushed together. I can hear everything. The bass is the most funny here, since every little thump comes through.

Imaging something exactly this or more technical, but also much more punchy and fun? I'm drooling.

Maybe more sub bass focus but still has some mid bass, it’s pretty good quality with the clear nozzle and wide bores, maybe a bit more treble extension than the MK12. I suppose they’re different enough.

 

[thaslaya]

The Scarlet mini had tons of distortion with heavy sub bass songs, but the Duality didn't have any of that. The bass was no doubt overpowering, but it was weirdly controlled and composed.

I guess it better be for 6 times the cost, no? lol

My review will be coming out Wednesday . I have 5 comparisons in there, and the Duality only won 1, which says a lot

Juzear x Z Reviews Defiant


Shoutout Hifigo for the review unit, first impressions are very positive. All I can think of during this first session is “I can’t believe you can get this sound for a hundred bucks”.

I think this will be an easy recommendation for anyone new to the hobby, gift, or even just someone looking for a one and done wired set.

Great review! This set has got a lot of praise from many here and I'm sure my (eventual) review will be glowing as well.

Full-size headphones are for sitting at my desk.
Earbuds are for moving around or walking.
IEMs are for sitting still while out of my house (office, cafe, planes, trains, automobiles).

This is a good breakdown of use cases. And since I don't have a desk, that explains why I don't have any full-sized headphones

Naruto is basically my entire childhood

I forget how young you are sometimes . DBZ was mine .

Lucky bags are like Powerball tickets. Yeah, you just might win the big prize. And, yeah, I just might have a porn shoot today in the San Fernando Valley with a 20-something buxom starlet who can suck the chrome off a trailer hitch.

I always say "suck a golf ball through a garden hose"

No, I didn't get the V10 pro because I saw this:

No more iems with stupid nozzle-mounted BAs for me, especially the double-barreled ones!

Who doesn't enjoy a double blast of BA straight to the ear drum?

Speaking of…
TSMR Armor

first impressions -
Accessories: pretty nice cable, standard Penon green stem tips and some other black thinner ones, neither sounded particularly good but they did fit which is rare for stock tips! Included case is very robust, definitely will get some use.

Build quality / aesthetics / fit:

Pictures don’t do the faceplate justice, it’s really eye-catching and maybe one of my favorites I have owned. The logo/lettering is much smaller than i anticipated and blends in well. The shells are filled resin, they feel really solid in the hand but light in-ear. The switches are your usual fare, and the included tool works well but I’ve already been a little too clumsy once or twice while dialing my settings in.

The nozzles are short, so expect to tip roll (more on this) but once I found the right pair (Azla Crystal) they disappeared once in. Really comfy pair, I wore them for about an hour and got no hot spots or fatigue.

Sound:
The most important bit, how do they sound? At first it was a bit of a mixed bag. The included stock tips did no favors, and upon tip rolling I discovered just how much it matters with this IEM. It took a bit of tweaking between the tips and the switches, but once I dialed it in (UUD for bass/mids) and the Azla Crystal… oh boy. Dynamic, rumbly sub bass that digs deep, lush mids with an airy mid bass slam. I found the treble switch to be a little inconsequential, but turning off the bass switch expands the soundstage quite a bit and leaves you with a warm analog sound with quick, springy bass. The treble on this IEM is really an afterthought imo, I would have like a full EST or 2 in there but I understand that we would be a different price range.

As it stands? Quite pleased and excited to spend more time with it, it fits in well with my preferred sound signature and will be a good all day wear (especially if I want to dial the bass back with the switch).

But for now, it stays on for that rumble.

Yeah I reaaaally like this one! Easy rec imo.

You're making this one sound very appealing!

So, I’m throwing stuffs away, and I have a question for NiceHck: what’s the purpose of this “accessory” in B80 earbuds box. It’s not a flimsy half-hearted print either. It’s laminated on thick cardboard

It's for the weebs! There are many among us here

Ok, i will try to focus on those refined and technicaly impressive TANCHJIM Fission today.
I give fast AB with Origin to confirm something about upper treble extension, sparkle, sharpness and snappiness wich is notabl superior with Fission....making Origin feeling less airy, less open sounding too.
Since day one treble part impress me, due to those clean, sharp percussion htat have their own space and clean transient. Acoustic guitar sound marvelous too, add smooth, velvety fowards vocal that arent shouty nor sibilant, textured round mid bass with mellow impact and lean resonant sub bass and you have the Fission neutral to soft W shape balance.
Imaging is excellent, we can see those as ''buttery monitor tuning''....yet butter with some salt! this is why i use velvety term, presence of vocal is gently textured, with notch of natural warmth to avoid sounding thin, definition is well rounded with just enough edge, it's not ultra sharp at all...transparency is great too, sub bass is perhaps only con it's not very clear nor elastic...and switch play with how release go boosted or damped...
All in all its 55% technical-45% musical in term of sound experience to me, like a romantic monitor tuning. Mids lover will be well serve as well as delicate sparkles seeker. Switch is position at ''atmospheric''.


i find overall musicality so similar to Origin i need to check graphs....and it seem to underline more awaken ultra highs too, so double confirmation (even if pass 10khz measurement isnt very trustable, my ears are....micro dynamic is superior with Fission....for 2x less $ and more tuning choice i really need to test further)

Why would Tanchjim canibalize their own sales? Makes no sense.

Why do you think there is no squig.link for cables?

Oh but there are. The Ruyi Rod cable has been measured on Audio Amigo's squig.

30? Old? I just turned 60 eight days ago. Having a big party today at the house with my family and around 30 of my friends, mainly guys and girls from our band and other bands.

Happy belated, Paul!

This is a bit of a long post, so feel free to scroll past.

I've posted almost nothing here for the last 8 or 9 months.
It's been a tough time for me.

My Mum and Dad were both diagnosed with Alzheimer's 2 years ago, and as the disease has progressed, it's taken over more and more of my life too.

Dad passed back in January.
Mum's cognitive decline continues unabated.

Last month I lost my birth mother to cancer. I'm adopted, and I only met her for the first time 3 years ago.

Losing her so soon after meeting her has been a cruel blow, on top of the cruelty that Alzheimer's has heaped on my family.

Now, I'm not the kind of person who would ordinarily share something so personal with a bunch of strangers, but the reason I'm doing so is to bring some perspective.

Because throughout all the family trauma, music has really helped keep me sane.
I know you will all understand that.

And what's more, the Disco thread has also been a source of help, because you guys are such a friendly, knowledgeable and enthusiastic bunch. And you're funny too.
And of course, each and every one of you is as mad as a box of frogs, myself included.

Even though I've posted almost nothing for months, I've still been checking in regularly, and reading the thread.
But it breaks my heart to see people arguing and falling out, over matters that are insignificant and trivial.

The Disco thread is a community of friends. Surely we all have the capacity to ensure that above all else, it remains a haven of peace, where the music spreads the goodvibes?

Some folk here seem to have an awful lot invested in being right. Personally, I like to remember that all scientific "truths" are provisional.
Something that isn't measurable at this point in time, may well be measurable in the future.
The nature of scientific understanding, is that it is always changing.

And you know what? It is possible to hold two opposing thoughts in one's head simultaneously, and to be open to the possibility that they are both right.

But ultimately, none of this crap matters.
Life is short, and relationships with other people can end sooner than you think, so be nice.

"The greatest thing you'll ever learn,
Is just to love,
And be loved, in return."

eden ahbez

Sending good vibes your way! Make sure to take care of yourself too when you're able.

People can enjoy whatever they like but I don’t have to enjoy seeing misleading content spread like confetti and I am not obliged to ignore that.

It's true that you're not obliged to ignore it, but seeing as your constant antagonistic responses are not well-received here, it's starting to border on insanity to think that more posts will make a lick of difference.

What sort of party is that without any discussion about copper vs silver-plated copper wire?!

A lame one if you ask me!

Sup y'all... new review for the Unique Melody Maven II is here.
https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/unique-melody-maven-ii.27507/reviews#review-38347


This IEM is a dream. Hope you enjoy the read. Thank you @MusicTeck

Great review, brother! I know you love this one and I remember it fondly too. Need to hear it again soon though.

Thanks to all for the birthday greetings. Great party. About 30 people. Tons of laughs, food, booze, smoke and music. Also busted out an acoustic jam in the backyard with three other dudes. Played six or seven songs. Massive fun. Then my buddy's wife faceplanted in my front yard when she walked out of her flip-flops after numerous beers.

I'm imagining this but with grass

I do have some hope that a deal with China will soften this in the future.

You know what they say...hope in one hand, in the other, and see which one fills up faster

 

[JrOcinthepark]

Tanchjim Kara available via Amazon in the US at 118.99. Very brief listen and they are pretty good so far. Mentioning due to being around $60.00 below MSRP.

 

[NymPHONOmaniac]

Hello guys i just publish my take on the Hidizs MK12 Turris, you can give a look here: https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/hidizs-mk12-turris.28156/reviews#review-38351

I like it quite alot, it's among biggest soundstage i've heard out of a single dynamic driver, so it's a worthy successor to MP145 in term of spatial immersivity, with an even more holographic musicality, thicker weightier more elastic bass and notably lusher and more natural sounding mids, as well as darker treble, less dry and planar timbre textured...all this depend of tuning nozzle you pair with as well.

Pros:
-Big soundstage (wide and tall)
-smoothly balanced warm W shape tonality
-dense vibrant sub bass
-mellow weighty punch
-focused intimate wide and lush mid range
-natural sirupy timbre
-fullness of instruments presence
-blissful piano restitution (weighty and rich in tone and forward in presence)
-nothing sound overly thin or compressed with MK12
-soft yet very extended and delicately crisp treble
-impressive transient flexibility (effortless layering)
-versatile (and non gimmick) nozzle tuning choice
-nice packaging and accessories
-more than decent sound value

Cons:
-not most define nor most texture mid bass
-darkish mid treble (some micro details are missing)
-tough well rounded and non harsh upper mids boost might be loud for some (silver nozzle)be-red nozzle has compressed macro dynamic
-housing is quite big (not for small ears)
-cable is just OK
-scale up with proper amping (32ohm)

 

[pk4425]

@pk4425 - did you pick up the ISN H60 yet? If not, and you're still waffling or buying "sidelights", then you are not doing your ears or spirit any favors. Just do the right thing and PTT! Really. But, if you're gonna get anything, the Defiant is a special unit. It's most definitely a gatekeeper in it's price range, and will serve your classic rock and alt rock playlists well, as it's a great all-arounder, and the top end won't offend your treble tinnitus, while still exhibiting solid incisiveness (think Explorer).

Not yet. Soon. But for now, I'm giving the Defiant a go through Amazon. Easy return if I don't like it or find it redundant to a similar tuning in my collection.

I always say "suck a golf ball through a garden hose"

That's a good one. I also like "jump start a leaf blower."

I'm imagining this but with grass

Pretty close, from what I was told! I missed it; I was still in the back yard, reaching my fill of intoxication.

 

[BS5711]

It's true that you're not obliged to ignore it, but seeing as your constant antagonistic responses are not well-received here, it's starting to border on insanity to think that more posts will make a lick of difference.

I live in hope that some folks cares about basic facts and technical reality.

However, after giving a few basic facts regarding a few specific subjects that degrade into debate (and more recently name calling) without technically accurate rebuttal that is looking less and less likely.

Earlier today I prepared a reply to @pk4425 about power requirements of an IEM that apparently needs gobs of it with some basic facts, a calculator chart and an accurate video on the subject but decided not to bother because I could see what it would degenerate into. The "I know what my ears tell me" gang would get their hackles up at the presentation of simple electrical facts that don't align with their subjective feelings and it would become another nonsense argument so I didn't bother pushing the "Post Reply" button.

I will leave you blokes to it, no need for wise ass remarks folks

 

[pk4425]

Earlier today I prepared a reply to @pk4425 about power requirements of an IEM that apparently needs gobs of it with some basic facts, a calculator chart and an accurate video on the subject but decided not to bother because I could see what it would degenerate into. The "I know what my ears tell me" gang would get their hackles up at the presentation of simple electrical facts that don't align with their subjective feelings and it would become another nonsense argument so I didn't bother pushing the "Post Reply" button.

And ... you just earned an Ignore from me. A Head-fi first.

Your knowledge, while ample and possibly helpful, has boundaries. Your condescension does not.

I've had enough. Congrats.

 

[o0genesis0o]

Bas on cantor in lowest lows in deepest moments isnt that precise. Yes highs, mids ok in deepest bas is ts 316 more precise, ea 1000 too and think etymotic er2se too. To be honest i want spectrumica more. And allaround what can posible be. I think something like fiio jm 21 with nipo a 100 and project m, or dk 3001 bd i see this like me future next rig.

Idk about ER2SE, chief that one has almost no bass. All that it can reproduce is the stick impact which actually resides in the lower treble region. Since there is no bass to blur anything, of course it’s “bassline” is clean and fast.

I was hyper fixated on one track (bass line of that track, to be specific) for over an hour of A/B test a few single DD IEM for the review (including that EA1000 you mentioned). When I swapped to Cantor as I mentioned, since my mind was still fixated on the bass line, it picked up the difference like day and night. There is a constant, fast bass line in a more quiet part of the track that I just didn’t notice with other single DD IEM, but I picked it up with Cantor, every single thump (not just stick impact like ER2SE).

Tbh, I want spectrumica too my friends couldn’t stop hyping it up.

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Edit: I didn’t expect the MK12 review to do that well within 12 hours. Thanks for reading, folks

Next items on the agenda are Dunu Vulkan II and HiBy R3 Pro II. Stay tuned!

 

[thaslaya]

I live in hope that some folks cares about basic facts and technical reality.

However, after giving a few basic facts regarding a few specific subjects that degrade into debate (and more recently name calling) without technically accurate rebuttal that is looking less and less likely.

Earlier today I prepared a reply to @pk4425 about power requirements of an IEM that apparently needs gobs of it with some basic facts, a calculator chart and an accurate video on the subject but decided not to bother because I could see what it would degenerate into. The "I know what my ears tell me" gang would get their hackles up at the presentation of simple electrical facts that don't align with their subjective feelings and it would become another nonsense argument so I didn't bother pushing the "Post Reply" button.

I will leave you blokes to it, no need for wise ass remarks folks

See, I think this is where the disconnect takes place. We all belong to the "I know what my ears tell me" gang. No one is going to change your mind based on your first hand experience and that's totally fine. Just like you won't change anyone else's by telling them the science. After all, its all subjective. You can't approach such an individualistic and personal thing from a completely objective point of view. It just doesn't work.

I can only speak for myself (although I think many here may share my sentiment) when I say that my issue isn't with the content of your posts, but with the way it's delivered. You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar. For instance, instead of responding "Cables can't change the sound. I have scientific evidence to back up my claim. You are wrong," maybe try "Wow, it's neat that a cable pairing can really affect whether you enjoy an IEM or not. I myself don't hear a difference in cables, and I've done blind studies and looked into the science behind it all, but I understand that a specific cable can make a big difference in your enjoyment of a particular IEM." The words and verbiage you choose to use absolutely matter, even more so on an internet forum where it's hard to read someone's intentions. Look, I don't have anything against you, and I think your scientific approach to the hobby is interesting, even if that's not really an aspect that I have any personal interest in. Maybe just lighten up the message a little when you post a reply and remember that your opinion, even if backed by science, is not better than anyone else's.

 

[BS5711]

And ... you just earned an Ignore from me. A Head-fi first.

Your knowledge, while ample and possibly helpful, has boundaries. Your condescension does not.

I've had enough. Congrats.

I am not sure how you get condescension from referring to a something that I didn't actually post, I guess you assume you know what my words said and how they said it.

The "I know what my ears tell me" gang would indeed get their hackles up because facts would be contrary to their feelings so that is why I didn't post it but I didn't include you in that group, I think you have a more open mind than that.

Regardless, you are welcome to believe whatever you like and whoever you like but ignoring me will have little value because I have no desire to flog the dead audio horse here any longer.

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@thaslaya - that is the problem I have with this stuff that I debate against, audio isn't only or all subjective, far from it.

Yes enjoyment of a specific IEM for example is completely subjective. The affect of hi resolution audio or a digital filter and a whole pile of other stuff is not subjective. There are basic facts about how some stuff works that are very often misunderstood and talked about like they are something that they simply are not.

Recent example, 192 kHz audio is smoother than 48 kHz because there are 4 times more samples making the sound but not everyone has good enough ears to hear that. Seems intuitively correct but it isn't technically accurate, that isn't how digital audio works, yet pointing that out resulted in argument and name calling.

Remove assumptions, expectations, preconceptions and normal human foibles from the equation and all manner of "heard" differences cease to exist. There are some things that people think they hear a differences with but it is demonstrably true that they are only creating a perception of a sonic change not actually hearing something that exists in reality as sound waves.

Doing a simple blind test is very eye opening.

To rationalise this stuff with people that are fundamentally happy to believe the general status quo is pointless so I will leave that dead horse alone.

Maybe I could deliver stuff with a tip toe walking on egg shells approach but I am not certain that would make any difference if folks are fundamentally not interested in considering stuff that might initially be a little out of their comfort zone.

 

[domq422]

It's kind of wild how every few months the same argument comes up...

 

[BeelzAlBob]

It's kind of wild how every few months the same argument comes up...

And goes for multiple pages every time with no one saying anything new.