Oh, sorry i was refering to the EX 1000. I live in the UK. You have exactly the same music tastes as me
. Actually i had just brought the Ortofon e-q7 which is very good for YUI, Aoyama Thelma and Emi Fujita songs but it wasn't quite as good for Zard or Ikimonogakari songs because they still sound too high pitched and harsh on the high notes so it is kind of painful to the ears. On reality they do sound like that on the high notes a bit but not that much so i want to buy another IEM that will be suited for those artists which is some of my favourites. Which one do you think is best for Zard the EX800ST's or the CK100. Thank you my friend.
Hello Love Music. Oh right silly me, yeah of course you are talking about the MDR-EX1000s in your original post, as this is originally the EX1000 thread review, I'm sorry for being so hopelessly inconsiderate here with my earlier comments. I have just dropped you a PM with regards to how females vocals performs on both my pair of CK100 and EX800ST, as well as how ZARD sounds like on the CK100, as I don't think it's very appropriate for me to go further off-topic on this thread topic created by james444, as this is a mainly a EX1000 discussion thread and I'm quite sure based on the earlier comments by music_4321 as well as some others who got "chided" by him previously, I think I should be slightly more considerate here and spare a thought for the threadstarter or any of the EX1000 owners.
Just to clarify, anytime you change the diaphragm material it is absolutely a new driver. I don't know where the idea comes from that you can change materials or construction of a driver and it's the same thing as before. Yes, they changed the materials under the housing. With a new driver.
FWIR, the polymer construction of the new driver diaphragm is nothing like the older bio cellulose driver which at one time had to be organically grown in a petri dish based on old Sony literature I recall from years ago. Btw, that bio-celluslose composition also came in at least three different compositions. You can PM leeperry I'm sure he still has the data sheets.
Thank you for the clarification and corrections there Anaxilus. Perhaps I didn't make myself clear in my previous post, but I don't exactly meant that the driver units in the EX1000 model are exactly the same as EX800ST/MDR-7550 as well as the EX600s. I do know about the actual differences in the diaphragm materials between all 3 models, although in the case of EX800ST/EX600 according to Sony Japan's/Sony-Asia's PDF brochures advertised information I had read awhile back since these products were already announced quite sometime ago since last year November, from what I remembered the EX800ST probably shares more similarities with the EX600 in terms of internal materials used, as both of its drivers units are based on ML, or simply known as Multiple-layer diaphragm.
Also, I'm not sure why you are asking me to PM leeperry here, although I may not have that many posts here on Head-fi because I'm more of a reader and lurker myself here, most of the time I don't speak up unless I'm pretty sure of what I'm talking about. The diaphragm materials or any form of coating used on the diaphragm designed by majority of speaker/headphone brand manufacturers are mainly used for reducing sound resonances and mechanical energy, such is the case for Sony's latest Liquid-Crystal Polymer film used in their MDR-Z1000 and the EX1000 models respectively. Since my Dad is a HT-enthusiast himself, I have also seen personally for myself how many various methods and materials are involved for damping a typical dynamic loudspeaker's diaphragm cone for improved sound reproduction, ranging from Carbon Fiber, Kevlar, Fibre-glass or Glass Wool materials etc. Sony's method of damping for the MDR-Z1000/EX1000s, is actually just building the diaphragm itself with their own developed materials in the form of LCP film for providing the purpose of internal damping/reducing resonance, it's really that simple.
Regarding the debate of the older bio-cellulose diaphragm vs LCP film diaphragm here, no doubt you might be correct here but I believe I didn't mention that the LCP film is anything like Sony's very own bio-cellulose diaphragms used in some of their older headphones/earphone products. I just said it was a newer and more developed version compared to their older bio-cellulose organic bio-technology, which seems to be joint venture co-developed with Ajinomoto Co back then, but of course since I never had the personal luxury to own those older Sony headphones products before, I will probably never understand how much hype is there to these bio-cellulose made Sony products. Also if I never recall wrongly from the time I had spent on Head-fi last time, japanese manufacturer Fostex has also made and produced some speakers and headphones based on bio-cellulose technology as well so it isn't anything new at all.
My 2 cents.
All 3 drivers are 16mm and all use a CCAW coil (which is used in about 90% of dynamic IEMs). The difference is in the diaphragm of the driver, the EX600 and EX800ST/7550s use regular polymer film in their diaphragms. With the EX1000 it may very well may have been same driver but it has had it's polymer dissolved in a polymer solvent which transform it into a LCP. So, the end result creates a different driver material, LCP is probably lighter and yet stronger which will translate into faster transients and other good stuff. Still, the only difference is in the diaphragm when it comes to the EX1000, the rest of the driver is most likely the same as it probably started out the same. Sony does prefer the use of polymer film over bio-cellulose nowadays.
Hello Ink, alright first of all lemme apologise for creating a minor confusion there. Actually I was just referring to the 16mm Neodymium magnet transducers units used on all 3 EX models themselves as according to Sony's data they are all the same actually. I still stand by what I had said in my previous post though, IMO there's no rocket science involved honestly in regards to the EX1000s be it LCP film or bio-cellulose technology, probably the main reason for the differences in the sound some of us had perceived btw all 3 EX models might also be attributed due to the factors of manual sound-tuning because according to one of
AV Watch Impress japanese articles although I'm sorry for quoting a japanese article here since not everyone are japanese literate, in that article it's mentioned according to them, both the EX1000 and EX600 as well as the non-removable cable version of EX510 in terms of its sound reproduction are manually hand-tuned by its sound engineers. Although the MDR-EX800ST/MDR-7550 were not mentioned by them, I'm quite sure the EX800STs were also manually hand-tuned by its sound engineers according to one of the japanese articles I had came across before on Phile-web, though I'm too lazy to look it up right now to give you guys for reference purpose.
Cheers.
You quoted me but I didn't write any of that just FYI
Haha, my deepest apologies for dragging you into all these Kiteki! I wish I had some kind of bio-technology expertise under my arms to help create that real-life like composite model of Nozomi Sasaki just for you! Because it seems that from your various avatars you had used in this forum, I can probably guess you are a really huge fan of her! As I usually watch alot of japanese shows myself I really liked the Lotte Fit's japanese CMs she's has appeared in from time to time on japanese TV.
