RAZ's TOTL review and rambles thread, on life support
May 9, 2021 at 8:54 PM Post #2,041 of 3,674
I believe JH, himself, was Van Halen's (the band) live sound engineer, and that's where he got his start. At 'shows', like NAMM or Can-Jams, they put up a quite large banner listing their clients- You can find pix of it in Show threads on Head-Fi.

It is mega-impressive
 
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May 9, 2021 at 9:36 PM Post #2,042 of 3,674
You may know this already but Jerry Harvey a sound engineer started with IEMs in 1995 cofounding Ultimate Ears and than in 2007 spun off to form JH Audio, he was one of the first to make IEMs for musicians.

There was a lawsuit he filed against 64Audio for using multiple drivers for different frequencies, he did have a patent on that. Audio 64 was able to argue that it was not patentable in the first place and got the patent rescinded ending it.

No historian here, I watched a video on 64 Audio and they talked about the case and how devastating it was for them. Afterwards I did some research because I was curious and wanted to fact check.

It does surprise me to, that JH does not come up that often in comparisons or in members signatures.
And then I’m here 😂

Layla having been the oldest TOTL IEM I still own.

I still have respect for the Layla’s technicalities, and I did enjoy its tonality a bit better than the Roxy, but I do have to say that they’re priced a little too high for 2014/15 tech. Yes, the AIONs have the newer 3D driver chassis, but everything else inside are old tech now.
 
May 9, 2021 at 9:54 PM Post #2,043 of 3,674
It does surprise me to, that JH does not come up that often in comparisons or in members signatures.
As far as I can gather, for whatever reason, they just seem to be more focused on professionals and touring artists, instead of necessarily towards us crazy audiophiles here.

I personally never found myself interested in them until the recent Jolene. But now that I have it, I think its excellent. Though I am absolutely NOT the right person to ever try and make a claim whether its "worth it" or how it might compare to others in the same price bracket.
 
May 9, 2021 at 10:42 PM Post #2,044 of 3,674
As far as I can gather, for whatever reason, they just seem to be more focused on professionals and touring artists, instead of necessarily towards us crazy audiophiles here.

I personally never found myself interested in them until the recent Jolene. But now that I have it, I think its excellent. Though I am absolutely NOT the right person to ever try and make a claim whether its "worth it" or how it might compare to others in the same price bracket.

On their website they list like 250,000 artists (im kidding but its a lot) that use them. Piggy-backing onto this, they definitely are doing ok without "us."
 
May 9, 2021 at 10:53 PM Post #2,045 of 3,674
On their website they list like 250,000 artists (im kidding but its a lot) that use them. Piggy-backing onto this, they definitely are doing ok without "us."
JH has always been Artists first before “us”.

I’m still excited for Michael to give us his thoughts on the Jolene when he gets his tho.

JH finally got something exciting again.
 
May 10, 2021 at 3:41 AM Post #2,046 of 3,674
Apologies for taking so long, but here we finally go with a Jerry Harvey AION series shootout!

As usual, biases and disclaimers: I purchased all three units myself from different dealers and sources - JH isn't so much as aware of this shootout being a thing, but my spirit guide told me they'd love a positive review and promised me a long and prosperous life if I shill them

I'm joking - all three reviews will be quite positive, and the bias to disclose here is mostly just an allignment of my current preferences and JH's house tuning. They all have extremely linear mids, with a great balance between the lower and upper midrange, with excellent technical ability, and a certain raw, referential presentation that I've really been vibing with the past few weeks/months.

1. JH JIMI AION (bass pod at 100% cause momma didn't raise a quitter)

Honestly, I could just about leave the JIMI as "as advertised" lol. Electric, thick, extremely engaging, fits electric guitars especially well. It did however surprise me in more ways than one.

I asked a few people who I knew have heard it about what it is like, and they all mentioned that thickness and texture. While I do agree, I think the JIMI's versatility is somewhat underrated, and the IEM as a whole is most certainly 100% underrated to me.

Firstly, on general presentation and tonality, the JIMI is pretty warm, especially once you pump up the bass, with a midrange that edges on on warm - of the three AIONs, it is definitely the warmest or "wettest" midrange. The bass too is quite balanced, with a pretty natural and pleasant decay, a good amount of punch and great extension.

The treble on the JIMI has pretty good quality and zing, which makes it very engaging to listen to, but to me is lacking some extension. It's not even like it rolls off, it literally just drops off a cliff at one point - you hear the cymbal crash, but a part of it is literally missing as opposed to it fading out like it does on other IEMs that lack some upper treble

All around, I found the JIMI to have a lot of things in common with the MW10 Andromeda back when I had it. They both had a tuning > technicalities focus and they're both tuned really, really well. Where the JIMI to me comes ahead (and in a way becomes a MW11 of sorts), is in that the JIMI's thickness isn't quite as overdone, and it sports a much, much wider and more spacious soundstage, so instruments don't blend together as much.

The problem with the JIMI is basically the same problem with just about everything around 1100$ - the Andromeda 2020 exists, and the second hand U12t's go for like 1200-1300$. While the JIMI does have some things to offer over the Andromeda 2020, it has basically nothing on the U12t in any shape or form.

Verdict: great overall, maybe a little more specialized than what I'd consider optimal and would be rather great if it had some more treble extension - it is pretty much the only thing it is actively lacking.

2. JH Roxanne AION (bass pod a little over 50%)

Spoiler alert: of the three AIONs this is by far my favourite, and it is one of the better IEMs I've experienced of just about anything I've heard ever. The Roxanne is a really interesting monitor - it's a sort of sweetspot between a highly referential presentation and a really fun, engaging frequency response. While it is aimed at rock and metal, I found it actually suits a whole bunch of other genres as well, while performing adequately with just about anything you throw at it

The Roxanne's bass is quite mid-bass focused, and I personally enjoy that - it is also one of the things that I particularly love about the A18S, and there's generally a number of parallels between the two IEMs. It has a really pronounced punch and "boom" - it doesn't spill over in the mids as long as you don't go above 75% on the knob or so, but it is also very clearly audible. You can hear exactly where each drum hit happens which to me is essential for rock and metal. The bass is also extremely tight and fast, so you get exceptional imaging in the lows, able to keep up with the busiest and muddiest of recordings.

I think I have a bit of a soft spot for BA bass that sounds like BA bass. My all time favourite lows are on the A18S, and the Roxanne comes somewhat close to that presentation in terms of both quantity and quality. The speed of the bass also contributes to the referential presentation I mentioned earlier, but more on that later

The midrange on the Roxanne is once again very, very linear and balanced. You have no forwardness of any kind, and depending on how much bass you want, it will either be slightly or highly recessed. While that fits rock especially well, it does exceptionally well with rap, hip hop and the likes, as well as more pop-y genres. The midrange is mostly a connecting frequency here, it doesn't really demand any attention and is mostly built to keep up with recordings as opposed to showing off its own capabilities. It can be a little thin at times, especially depending on your choice of tips.

The treble on the Roxanne is pure awesomeness, and exactly the way I enjoy it - with a heavy bias towards the upper treble. The Roxanne is an ever so slightly bright monitor to my ears, with really good extension that makes cymbals shine.

In terms of technical ability, the Roxanne delivers and then some. The soundstage is massive, and the tuning makes its perception even more disproportionately large. The somewhat thinner notes give you a lot of separation and space, the exaggerated sense of air contributes further to that, and the general speed of the monitor really seals the deal. To add to that, the extremely linear and slightly recessed midrange gives you even more perception of width and depth. I absolutely love that about the Roxanne.

Dynamics are good, but not at the level of the A12t. Despite that it delivers a ton of detail, and for the first few days of listening I was noticing a whole bunch of things in tracks that the Roxanne was highlighting but I hadn't noticed as clearly before.

The Roxanne is what I'd personally consider to be a V-shaped reference monitor. I haven't really heard that particular quantative/qualitative combination before, but needless to say, I'm sold. Absolutely love it.

Verdict: Recommended, pretty easily. I have mine up for sale to fund it as a CIEM, but depending on sale price I might just keep the AION version since I love the sound as is. Especially if you're looking for something for metal/rock, there are very few monitors I can clearly say would do better than the Roxanne.

3. JH x AK Layla AION

The Layla is a tough one. I absolutely can't say I dislike it, but I'm just missing a little something to really click with it.

Firstly what I expected - pretty much all my HF friends that had heard it described it as a very cold, pure reference monitor that was great for mixing and pro work, but not so much for audiophiles. Weirdly enough, between the Layla and the Roxanne, I found the latter to be closer to a cold reference IEM despite its very fun FR. The best description I can give of the Layla is an A12t with its treble shifted more towards the lower register than the upper registers

The Layla AION, to me, is actually a very pleasant all-rounder IEM that works pretty much with anything and everything. Its bass has an organic and natural feel to it, with good impact, great extension and a pleasant decay. It does a pretty good job of simulating a somewhat tight and shy DD.

The midrange of the Layla follows suit. Slightly warm, extremely linear much like the JIMI and Roxanne and again, quite natural and organic.

The treble of the Layla is as the reviews state more focused on the lower treble, but to my ears never even approaches sibilance or harshness of any kind. It's quite smooth and inoffensive, definitely more shelved than that of the Roxanne.

The Layla is pretty technical, I'd say the one thing that stands out most is its dynamics. Great separation as well, and a decently spacious soundstage. Honestly a little more upper treble would go a long way in making it feel more spacious and clean, but I am also quite biased in that respect because I tend to enjoy extremely exaggerated upper treble and pretty shelved lower treble.

The Layla to me is an IEM that was designed to be the only IEM you own, a bit like the Erl - nothing about it really stands out to me, but the overall package works really well together and can pull off just about anything you throw at it very well. Idk, while I do generally only go for IEMs that are able to work well with all my music, I am missing a little "identity" - something I can point to and say, "damn I absolutely love this about the Layla"

Verdict: At full MSRP, 3500 euros - no way I can recommend it considering a U/A12t goes for like half that. At the price of a U12t, which is pretty much what it goes for on the second hand market now, I'd say it comes down to preference above all. The Layla has a slightly more inviting midrange, with a little more lower treble, at the expense of some of that gorgeous tia treble the A12t comes with. I personally prefer the 64, but I can definitely see the place that the Layla would have in the market

Verdict on the JH AION lineup

I am generally surprised the AIONs have received this little attention. I do find that all three of them are between slightly and highly overpriced. The Roxanne and JIMI I'd personally put around 300$ lower (before discount) than they are currently. The Layla to me is a great alternative flavor to the Roxanne, and as such should be priced as an alternative flavor to the Roxanne. I.e, around 2000-2300$.

In terms of rankings... I'd keep the Layla as a T2 along with the demo Layla that I tried at canjam back in 2019. The Roxanne I'm divided between a low Tier 1 and a high Tier 2. JIMI, either a great Tier 3 or a low Tier 2.

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Thank you for tacking the time to review the Jh Aion series. Personally I have the Jh Roxanne performance series, the Jh Layla Titanium version and the Jh Lola and like you I enjoy the Roxanne the most with Lola close second. I noticed the price of the Aion series is quite high and I believe the price should have stayed the same like with the performance series, price aside I personally believe that if someone is looking to buy an iem for rock/metal Jh Roxanne should be the number one choice
 
May 12, 2021 at 1:45 PM Post #2,047 of 3,674
Some developments!

- JH are sending me a uni Jolene to use until my CIEM is done, so finally some impressions on that. I might also ask them if they’d be interested in touring the unit once I have mine

- DITA x Final SK to be ordered in the next 10 minutes! Should be here Friday!
 
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May 12, 2021 at 4:26 PM Post #2,048 of 3,674
Some developments!

- JH are sending me a uni Jolene to use until my CIEM is done, so finally some impressions on that. I might also ask them if they’d be interested in touring the unit once I have mine

- DITA x Final SK to be ordered in the next 10 minutes! Should be here Friday!


Weren't you supposed to get your CIEM a couple weeks back? AJ never got back to me on sending me another uni demo. Its been about 3 weeks. Wonder if they are working on improvements.
 
May 12, 2021 at 5:09 PM Post #2,049 of 3,674
Weren't you supposed to get your CIEM a couple weeks back? AJ never got back to me on sending me another uni demo. Its been about 3 weeks. Wonder if they are working on improvements.
Yeahhh but they were waiting on the material for the faceplates, then they were programming it, then they had issues with their laser etc etc etc.. loads of delays
 
May 12, 2021 at 7:55 PM Post #2,050 of 3,674
Yeahhh but they were waiting on the material for the faceplates, then they were programming it, then they had issues with their laser etc etc etc.. loads of delays
Ugh. Really want to see what your design looks like when all said and done and your impressions. The good thing is, now you can test against the uni. I had some unpleasantness with the 8k spike so wonder how the custom would fair in that department.
 
May 12, 2021 at 8:53 PM Post #2,051 of 3,674
Some developments!

- JH are sending me a uni Jolene to use until my CIEM is done, so finally some impressions on that. I might also ask them if they’d be interested in touring the unit once I have mine

- DITA x Final SK to be ordered in the next 10 minutes! Should be here Friday!
Press them on when the uni Jolene gonna get dropped.
 
May 13, 2021 at 2:05 AM Post #2,052 of 3,674
Press them on when the uni Jolene gonna get dropped.
That’s easy, before my custom gets finished so literally any time between now and 2023
 
May 13, 2021 at 2:22 AM Post #2,053 of 3,674
That’s easy, before my custom gets finished so literally any time between now and 2023
Your customs are breaking reality?!

Now I really want to see the design
 
May 14, 2021 at 11:50 AM Post #2,054 of 3,674
You may know this already but Jerry Harvey a sound engineer started with IEMs in 1995 cofounding Ultimate Ears and than in 2007 spun off to form JH Audio, he was one of the first to make IEMs for musicians.

There was a lawsuit he filed against 64Audio for using multiple drivers for different frequencies, he did have a patent on that. Audio 64 was able to argue that it was not patentable in the first place and got the patent rescinded ending it.

No historian here, I watched a video on 64 Audio and they talked about the case and how devastating it was for them. Afterwards I did some research because I was curious and wanted to fact check.

It does surprise me to, that JH does not come up that often in comparisons or in members signatures.
That’s pretty poor form using patent Law stifling competition for what is an essential development in high end IEMS. I’m glad 64A won in the end.

I’ve heard the Roxanne For a short audition. It’s nice. I was testing blind so I never asked about the price. For me, andromeda 2020 are a nice VFM option where the sound is very enjoyable and if reasonable quality. can buy 4 to 5 andromeda’s for one bird.

Would love to try the U12T and Elysium. Probably would have bought them except I skipped a few when the bird got released.

am very much enjoying this thread
 
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May 14, 2021 at 7:26 PM Post #2,055 of 3,674
That’s pretty poor form using patent Law stifling competition for what is an essential development in high end IEMS. I’m glad 64A won in the end.

I’ve heard the Roxanne For a short audition. It’s nice. I was testing blind so I never asked about the price. For me, andromeda 2020 are a nice VFM option where the sound is very enjoyable and if reasonable quality. can buy 4 to 5 andromeda’s for one bird.

Would love to try the U12T and Elysium. Probably would have bought them except I skipped a few when the bird got released.

am very much enjoying this thread
I like you am very much considering the Andromeda 2020 for my on the go pair to accompany my Traillii and Custom LX. Pretty well rounded pair that’s not so expensive compared to the others.
 

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