Thank you all very much! It's been a hell of a journey and it certainly isn't over yet
. No rest for the wicked!
Having heard the demo, it makes sense that you'd find it to at the top of your heap. Personally, I found that it forced me to listen to the music, and I couldn't tune out. It was a bit disconcerting in that sense, similar to how I found the 1Plus2. However, I am very, very impressed by its technical ability --- I'm not thrilled by the 6k spike and I'd like the bass shelf about 2.5 dB lower, but I can definitely understand why so many are so enamored with this monitor.
Yeah, it tends to do that too.
I actually wouldn't mind the JH13 with less bass - really couldn't pick a favorite between it and the NT 6 (which is flatter and leaner) in that regard.
The treble appears to be less smooth than I would like is when compared to a Miracle or Westone ES5 (that latter of which IMO is darker than it needs to be). It's still an improvement over things like the K3003 and Senn IE800 and on its own doesn't bother me in the least.
I have to admit the JH13Pro is absolutely excellent. I enjoyed the different comparisons and I hope you have your eye on the upcoming Roxanne.
At this rate, expect a Roxanne review in 2017
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I don't hear that 6k spike but they do smooth out over time and hard use so perhaps it's just receded on mine. I hit them pretty hard for a couple hundred hours after initial break in while running in a Moon cable I was trying. I do hear a bit of needed presence that sounds appropriate to me but not a spike sort of resonance. Depth of insertion could change where standing wave reinforcement may occur as would ear shape to certain degree. Perhaps what you're hearing is universal related or we just hear it differently though the stock cable does have some of that etched, character. They're absolutely lush with an after market copper cable and really do take on about any sig with cable changes. Of course the slightly elevated low bass is always there but really, if you tend to use them on the go as I do, it's welcome.
I don't find the midbass elevated as Joker does but do agree that the low bass is elevated. I'm a neutral kinda guy but think Joker prefers things a bit leaner than I do though we certainly agree on these overall. He's probably surprised he likes something with this much weight as much as he does.
Congrats on 300, Joker.
Thanks!
To be honest I have a slight distrust for demos after the UM Miracle demo that was a disaster compared to my customized one. JH ones are probably better, though.
Nice review on the JH13 joker. I hear it very similar in the midrange and bass. I do hear a bit more treble energy and quantity compared to the ER-4s, which sounds a little smoother next to the crisper JH13.
I find the JH13 very forward overall and the soundstage is very enveloping, which gives a pretty big wow factor when combined with the clarity.
Regarding imaging- the JH13 is the best I've heard in this regard, besting even the 1+2.
Thanks
I've got to get my hands on one of those 1+2s everyone is talking about.
Cool writeup on the JH13, thanks again |joker|
and congrats on 300 reviews.
I'd be interested to see the JH13 compared to the UERM, if you ever get the chance, as they are the only two custom's I've ever seriously considered buying...
From what I understand the UERM might be more similar to the Hidition than the JH13. Still would be an interesting one to compare, though.
I'm thinking in ATH-CKM300 or ATH-CKM500, the difference is about US$ 20, worth it?
Thanks!
Sorry, never tried the CKM300. The CKM500 is pretty fantastic at $60 if you like things bassy.
I'm interested in Joker's take on 'burn in' especially regarding balanced armature drivers. Personally I've yet to experience any sonic changes over time. I understand how it might be possible for a dynamic driver (though again if there are changes for me they've been negligible at best) but I thought BAs were immune to this phenomenon.
My JH13s are getting a lot of use and I don't think the sound has 'smoothed out'. It was great from the start and remains equally great now.
Sorry, I like to stay out of that debate. I give my BA stuff 50 hours of run-in "just in case" but I don't pay attention to changes. By the time I get enough of a feel for a higher-end IEM to start listening critically it usually has dozens more hours on it.
Congratulations on 300! I will be devoting a good amount of time to reading through many of your reviews. Although I have made up my mind that the next pair of headphones I buy will be CIEMs (aside from possibly getting another pair of cans, just don't tell my wallet), I think reading up on some universals in the same price range or lower might lead to a more informed decision. Your time and efforts are monumental and extremely helpful to the rest of us. Thank you for what you do.
Thanks, glad the thread continues to be useful
I'm pleasantly surprised the JH-13's did so well against the NT-6, especially when the NT-6's are said to be about equal in quality to the SE-5's which are much more expensive.
I thought it was the NT 6 Pro that can compete with the S35. In any case, the NT 6 and JH13 Pro are both great earphones!
Congrats but No offense Joker, but a good chunk of the headphones' list are already out of production. Maybe we could find a few popular ones like the TF10, but still. Don't you think we could filter the ones unavailable on a new/different list? for educational purposes only?
I grayed out the discontinued ones in the table. I guess I could take them out completely but then if someone was trying to figure out where they would place they would have trouble doing so.
The interactive version of the table found
here hides the discontinued products by default. You can "Show Discontinued Products" to display them and they'll be highlighted in red.
By the way, I don't keep an eye on every earphone out there so if there are any that should be long gone, please let me know.
