Tupac's "special" category is really what I was trying to say with "colored" so we can just replace terms and move it off to the side. He described it much better than I did as something that is just really different in style and presentation.
I guess the reason that I am pointing toward a middle ground I term "balanced" is because that is what I am looking for in a CIEM. IMO, the extremes of warm sounds like a teenage car turned into a subwoofer, thumping and rattling down the road, and bright sounds like a sprinkler spraying water into my ear. But I want the clarity, details, and black space that an analytical signature provides as well as the richer, thicker note with intense textures that organic provides. Paired correctly, the NT6pro seems to give me what I am looking for.
And I give credit to you and this thread for pointing me there.
The bottom line is I am happy I was able to be a part of you finding a CIEM you like!
SE5 is organic but not very strongly so. Out of the RWAK240 it is much less so.
I was listening to the SE5 out of the ADL X1, which is a very transparent amp, even more so than the 627, and I would say it is more neutral and natural than not, but still falls in the organic category. In contrast, the Hidition Viento-R was much brighter and more analytical. The SE5 is more difficult to categorize because of the transparency (change with the source and track).
Well, I'm glad the past 2 pages have managed to 'successfully'
clarify precisely what 'Organic' and 'Analytical' mean, in the world of CIEMs
There's
no way newcomers can possibly get confused, now...
I don't know that I'd call the SE-5 organic, personally - to me, it's defining characteristic was sounding frustratingly dark.
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We did it! Clear as day.
Yeah, probably more 'versions' than anyone 'officially' realises...
My pair before reshell was neutral darkish (official audiophile term) and now neutral slightishy darkish
Could this be fit related? I know EarSonics products are very ear tip dependent, but you would figure a CIEM should be tuned properly. However, I have always wondered about the differences that could occur depending on the particular ear.
Mimouille, why was your SE5 reshelled? I would think it is natural for some sonic change with a reshell to fix an improper fit.
Guys the sound signature I like is the Beyer T90....I am not sure what customs should I get? I tested the K10, V8 and Dita Audio The Answer which just can't seem to cut it for me. They have that kind of "veil" which I can't seem to pinpoint whereas the T90 or my Quad 12L speakers lets me hear it like an extension of my own ear.
I am an amateur in this so don't judge me too much
I have heard several Beyer headphones, but not the T90. The ones I have heard are on the brighter side and per our discussion above, which is probably might not be the best to read for an "amateur"
, there are a few categories.
CIEMs that I have heard that would be close to the Beyer sound include the Hidition lineup, Rooth LS-6 & LS-8, Lear LCM-5, Ultimate Ears IERM. I know there are others, so what is your price point?
Also, what source are you using for the T90, and are you using that same source for the CIEM demos? If you are using a different source for comparing the two, that could be the issue.
Another thing to think about is that there is an inherent presentation difference between headphones and IEMs. While not as big as between headphones and speakers, it is typically more of an in-head experience, but with better imaging and detail that may take your brain some time to get used to.
can anyone name me some universals or customs with sound signature relatively similar to the ORGANIC se 5way?
Here are some off the top of my head, with similarities to varying degrees: V-Sonic GR07, EarSonics lineup, Westone lineup, Rhines/Vision Stage 4; Fit Ear PS-5, ACS T1, Perfect Seal Fusion 11, and Lime Ears LE3b. Also, check out warm and smooth
here.
