Campfire - Solaris
post-15056121
Post #5,776 of 9,719

rutter

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Apr 19, 2018
Messages
1,862
Reaction score
283
Location
na
Joined
Apr 19, 2018
Location
na
Posts
1,862
Likes
283
The HD800S has way better bass than the Solaris. Maybe you're thinking of the HD800. In fact, the detail and I suppose "texture" is something I haven't heard in other full-size headphones. Unfortunately the sound is overall dry and vocals are lifeless, not to mention my ears rung with it.
 
Last edited:
     Share This Post       
post-15056122
Post #5,777 of 9,719

Kitechaser

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Aug 29, 2018
Messages
1,811
Reaction score
1,136
Location
Los Angeles
Joined
Aug 29, 2018
Location
Los Angeles
Posts
1,811
Likes
1,136
Woah there edge-lord. I didn't comment on other qualities of the HD800s. The IER-Z1R has overpowering bass if you're listening through crap is my impression. Overall it's better than the Solaris in my opinion, but it has its own shortcomings and doesn't bust out of the IEM sound so I sold it.



Turns out the Sony ZX300 + Fiio A5 sounds better with the HD650 than the iBasso DX220. It appears you were right about Sony doing something special spatially. The DAC of the ZX300 definitely outperforms the DX220 spatially in my experience. But at this points I'm not surprised by ****ters in "head" audio. Still keeping it for portable use but obviously I wouldn't go around like a headless chicken/Whitigir raving about it.
Yeah Sony is doing something special, the WM1A is a clear step above the ZX300 in that department too.
If you ever get a chance to listen to the DMP-Z1, give that a go. I'll be getting it sometime next year, its expensive, but worth every penny.
True holographic rendering, I think you would enjoy it, even if only as an audition.
Outside of my iem, I would love to pair it with my Magnepan speaker system.
 
     Share This Post       
post-15056127
Post #5,778 of 9,719

40lb

100+ Head-Fier
Joined
Nov 4, 2014
Messages
216
Reaction score
240
Joined
Nov 4, 2014
Posts
216
Likes
240
Two TOTL IEMs, two different solutions resulting in such size differences.
20190711_183549.jpg
 
     Share This Post       
  • Like
Reactions: fokta
post-15056128
Post #5,779 of 9,719

Indeez

New Head-Fier
Joined
Apr 26, 2019
Messages
37
Reaction score
22
Location
Saint-Petersburg, Russian Federation
Joined
Apr 26, 2019
Location
Saint-Petersburg, Russian Federation
Posts
37
Likes
22
Yesterday I made another attempt to listen to Solaris. Also I was tired. After 15 minutes of listening session I have catch headache. It is absolutely abnormal. After switching over from Solaris to Atlas, headache has gone.

If I suppose that Solaris has naturalness, I wonder why there is no headache when I am listening live concert (I assume this is nearest to natural sound), for example.
 
     Share This Post       
post-15056130
Post #5,781 of 9,719

candlejack

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Dec 12, 2010
Messages
1,588
Reaction score
1,736
Location
Europe
Joined
Dec 12, 2010
Location
Europe
Posts
1,588
Likes
1,736
It's a good point (and a good experiment). Despite being an analyst by trade, I didn't explain myself very well at all there - what I was trying to say was that even the most faithful reproductions of a sound wave may be interpreted differently by two different brains, as the process of turning the information back into "music" in the head is a very unique and personal one for each listener, and is coloured by their own personal hearing efficiencies/deficiencies and preferences. I agree that you can use measurements to validate some absolute facts about a headphone, but as you say, the rigour and the means required to do that is beyond the means of most on this site bar a very select few (I'm definitely not one of them!).

Wasn't on the side of "measurement is bad" in any particular argument as I think they do serve a useful purpose, but I do like to acknowledge that in something as subjective as listening to music, they also don't tell the whole picture sometimes.
No, I get that and I think we are in agreement.

I would just highlight that this subjectivity applies not only to the headphone but to the recording and to music itself. Two people might sit next to each other at a concert, one having the time of his life, the other completely unimpressed.

However, the goal of the headphone should be to reproduce sound as faithfully as possible and leave the creative part to the musician, producer, etc. That's why I think it's possible to say that headphone A is better than headphone B (yes, based on measurements, not auditions), because its mission is purely a technical one. Not as easy to do with musician A and musician B or even recording A and recording B, because the artistic side comes into play and that is very much subjective.

That is at least my vision. Some headphone manufacturers (if not all) are trying to play artist themselves and add their own flavor to the sound reproduction. In a world where all headphones are equally far ("far" criteria to be determined) from the reference, they are all equally good and subjective assessment is all that we have left.
 
     Share This Post       
post-15056135
Post #5,782 of 9,719

candlejack

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Dec 12, 2010
Messages
1,588
Reaction score
1,736
Location
Europe
Joined
Dec 12, 2010
Location
Europe
Posts
1,588
Likes
1,736
This is cliche to think about Atlas as bass/subbass. Atlas is DD which covers whole range of sound, i.e. mids and highs too. If Solaris is unacceptable for me but Atlas is enjoy, maybe this is because of DD mids and highs?
I was just teasing. I for one don't like the Atlas, but I don't think you're crazy if you do. No need to justify (to others) what you like, but you're also not going to convince me that the Atlas sounds more natural than the Solaris.
 
     Share This Post       
post-15056142
Post #5,783 of 9,719

Kitechaser

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Aug 29, 2018
Messages
1,811
Reaction score
1,136
Location
Los Angeles
Joined
Aug 29, 2018
Location
Los Angeles
Posts
1,811
Likes
1,136
Last edited:
     Share This Post       
post-15056146
Post #5,784 of 9,719

rutter

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Apr 19, 2018
Messages
1,862
Reaction score
283
Location
na
Joined
Apr 19, 2018
Location
na
Posts
1,862
Likes
283
This has never been a hobby for me. It's mere entertainment. I have no idea how or why this hobby conception came about. Maybe it's to rationalize the terrible value and the pervasive flaws.
 
     Share This Post       
post-15056148
Post #5,785 of 9,719

Kitechaser

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Aug 29, 2018
Messages
1,811
Reaction score
1,136
Location
Los Angeles
Joined
Aug 29, 2018
Location
Los Angeles
Posts
1,811
Likes
1,136
No, I get that and I think we are in agreement.

I would just highlight that this subjectivity applies not only to the headphone but to the recording and to music itself. Two people might sit next to each other at a concert, one having the time of his life, the other completely unimpressed.

However, the goal of the headphone should be to reproduce sound as faithfully as possible and leave the creative part to the musician, producer, etc. That's why I think it's possible to say that headphone A is better than headphone B (yes, based on measurements, not auditions), because its mission is purely a technical one. Not as easy to do with musician A and musician B or even recording A and recording B, because the artistic side comes into play and that is very much subjective.

That is at least my vision. Some headphone manufacturers (if not all) are trying to play artist themselves and add their own flavor to the sound reproduction. In a world where all headphones are equally far ("far" criteria to be determined) from the reference, they are all equally good and subjective assessment is all that we have left.
The most natural sounding iem that I have ever heard, where every instrument sounds to my ears exactly as it does in person, looks like this on a graph.
FR0.png

I listen to 80% instrumental, jazz and classical music, instrument tonality is my biggest area of focus.

In summary, what works for you, might not work for me. There is no right tuning.
 
     Share This Post       
post-15056167
Post #5,786 of 9,719

Kitechaser

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Aug 29, 2018
Messages
1,811
Reaction score
1,136
Location
Los Angeles
Joined
Aug 29, 2018
Location
Los Angeles
Posts
1,811
Likes
1,136
This has never been a hobby for me. It's mere entertainment. I have no idea how or why this hobby conception came about. Maybe it's to rationalize the terrible value and the pervasive flaws.
People spend way way more money on cars, shoes.. you name it.
Is a Porsche good value, when a Toyota Camry will get you from point A to point B just as well?
There is not an iem/headphone/speaker system out there, no matter the money spent, that doesn't have "flaws".
No such thing as perfection.
 
     Share This Post       
post-15056228
Post #5,787 of 9,719

subguy812

Reviewer: Audio Rabbit Hole
Joined
Jan 30, 2013
Messages
4,764
Reaction score
3,689
Location
House of the Rising Sun
Joined
Jan 30, 2013
Location
House of the Rising Sun
Posts
4,764
Likes
3,689
Website
audiorabbithole.com
I have said many times in my reviews, at this TOTL level none of them suck, it just matters if the signature checks your boxes. It truly comes down to the signature. Some HP's/IEMs may have the tone you are looking for or the soundstage or correct amount of sub bass, all of this is subjective and personal. I do not ever want anyone to base their purchase solely from my review, you need to read many. Many of the people who follow me know my favorite signature which is why I include some subjectivity. The rest is all about what you can expect from a certain HP/IEM. It all boils down to finding a signature that checks your boxes, and only you can answer that. Happy listening, which is the reason we all dove into the rabbit hole.
 
     Share This Post       
post-15056473
Post #5,788 of 9,719

fokta

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Jul 11, 2018
Messages
1,805
Reaction score
1,464
Location
Jakarta
Joined
Jul 11, 2018
Location
Jakarta
Posts
1,805
Likes
1,464
Hahahaa.... please be nice guys...

was surprised that @rutter was here... seems u went to headphone...
Still using DX228 I assumed?

Well hope u get the sound sig u looking for...
 
     Share This Post       
post-15056584
Post #5,789 of 9,719

Rockwell75

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Jan 5, 2019
Messages
2,040
Reaction score
2,747
Location
BC, Canada
Joined
Jan 5, 2019
Location
BC, Canada
Posts
2,040
Likes
2,747
I've moved on from IEMs but some of you should expand your horizons at least a little bit.
For me it's less a matter of believing IEMs can compete with full size cans in terms of sound, staging etc. and more about the fact that I'm not cut out for the latter. Most of my listening is done on the go and I've never been comfortable wearing full size headphones-- not sure if it's the shape of my head or a just a simple tolerance issue. Suffice to say IEMs are the way to go for me. That said I'm going to be in Manhattan for a few days next week and one of my plans is to stop by Audio 46 and hopefully demo a few IEMs, in particular the Z1R so I can finally form my own impressions.
 
post-15056589
Post #5,790 of 9,719

antdroid

Headphoneus Supremus
Joined
Jul 31, 2016
Messages
1,855
Reaction score
3,004
Location
Seattle
Joined
Jul 31, 2016
Location
Seattle
Posts
1,855
Likes
3,004
Website
www.audiodiscourse.com
I think headphones and iems compliment each other for different situations. They have their pros and cons. Comparing them against one another isn't a fair assessment for either of them.
 

Users Who Are Viewing This Thread (Users: 5, Guests: 11)

Top