[madwolfa]

  Has anyone had experience with both leather + suede pads?
 
I was thinking about switching to suede, but how is it?  I have seen some say there is a drop in bass, but others say there isn't.

 
I haven't heard leather LCD-2s, but I love my suede pads. Very comfortable and breathable.
 
Can't say anything about the sound though... I like the bass as it is (even with Fazor) and I'm doing a lot of EDM (psy/prog trance, dubstep and dark d'n'b).

 

[madwolfa]

I've posted numerous times on the subject. If you find those posts lacking, feel free to contract me via PM.

 
Audeze said there was no change in bass response, comparing the FR charts kinda confirms that, except gentle 30 Hz roll-off (even at 25 Hz it's only -4dB):
 

 
Most EDM producers use the HP filter to cut off everything below 30 Hz anyway. In the real world only organ goes lower than that.
 
So what's the point? 
 
PS: No need to be sassy - this is a friendly forum... for the most part. 

 

[jodgey4]

I was just stuck on my phone, hence the pithy comment. I wasn't trying to be a sass

, haha. Here's a recent post I did make that could help you see my point of view, it's not entirely complete, especially regarding recording cutoffs that are quite real, but I think it covers the subject pretty thoroughly. http://www.head-fi.org/t/729905/audeze-headphone-choice-assistance-rcommendations-please#post_10784423

 

[Lohb]

   
Here:
 

Did you remove the dust filter and put your own thinner material or is that a stock non-leather earpad ?

 

[madwolfa]

  I was just stuck on my phone, hence the pithy comment. I wasn't trying to be a sass

, haha. Here's a recent post I did make that could help you see my point of view, it's not entirely complete, especially regarding recording cutoffs that are quite real, but I think it covers the subject pretty thoroughly. http://www.head-fi.org/t/729905/audeze-headphone-choice-assistance-rcommendations-please#post_10784423

 
I see what some reviewers mean, but it doesn't correspond with the measurements and Audeze claims. Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm just trying to be objective here...
 
I've just put some of the hardest hitting bass tracks I have (Bassnectar's Cozza Frenzy album) and looked through a Frequency Analyzer.
 
Anything below 30 Hz peaks at -30dB, which at normal listening volume is just an inaudible LF noise (also human hearing is not really super sensitive in this region).
 
You can check here:
 
http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/hearing.html

 

[madwolfa]

  Did you remove the dust filter and put your own thinner material or is that a stock non-leather earpad ?

 
This is a stock and unaltered brand new Audeze LCD-2 with Vegan pads. Purchased last week from Audeze.com.

 

[linglingjr]

 
Did you remove the dust filter and put your own thinner material or is that a stock non-leather earpad ?

Do the leather padded LCDs have a thicker pad between the driver and your ear?  I also have non-leather pads with that super thin filter and it does seem like hair could find its way into the driver quite easily.

 

[jodgey4]

   
I see what some reviewers mean, but it doesn't correspond with the measurements and Audeze claims. Maybe I'm missing something, but I'm just trying to be objective here...
 
I've just put some of the hardest hitting bass tracks I have (Bassnectar's Cozza Frenzy album) and looked through a Frequency Analyzer.
 
Anything below 30 Hz peaks at -30dB, which at normal listening volume is just an inaudible LF noise (also human hearing is not really super sensitive in this region).
 
You can check here:
 
http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/jw/hearing.html

http://www.head-fi.org/t/588429/audeze-lcd-3-impressions-thread/2625#post_10533444
I never saw any Audeze claims about bass response, I'd love to see that (not being snarky, I promise!). Also, I agree about the roll off being frequencies that the ear has a hard time hearing. This does not mean that these frequencies add nothing, contain no information, are undetectable, or unimportant to some listeners. I've never heard anybody compare the bass of the pre and post Fazor and say they're the same. It's about the weight of the bass that's changed. I'm just as interested as you as to why these differences are occuring, when it is such LF noise that's being affected. I'm an objectivist too, (little 'o', haha).

 

[madwolfa]

  I never saw any Audeze claims about bass response, I'd love to see that (not being snarky, I promise!). 
http://www.head-fi.org/t/588429/audeze-lcd-3-impressions-thread/2625#post_10533444

 
Well, LCD-3 rolls off pretty steeply from 50-60 Hz, which is definitely audible on bass heavy tracks - no doubts here. This is the most important low range and cutting it down ... well, I guess they were just catering to audiophile snobs, who generally prefer bass lighter cans with elevated highs (where brightness is often confused with detail and resolution). But it's definitely not the case with LCD-2, even the latest one with a Fazor... 
 
Regarding that claim, I think I've seen some member in this thread posting a negative reply from Audeze support regarding the Fazor's impact on LCD-2 bass response. That correlates with my FR graph and I don't consider a 30 Hz roll-off an impacting factor here. But you might disagree, of course...

 

[saxelrod92]

  Do the leather padded LCDs have a thicker pad between the driver and your ear?  I also have non-leather pads with that super thin filter and it does seem like hair could find its way into the driver quite easily.

I have the leather pads, and a late 2013 pre-fazor version, and that pad between the driver and ear is exactly the same as in the picture. it's thin, but it is also "slicker" like compared to my denon d5000 the pad in those has a lot of loose strands and frays a lot, and acts like velcro to hair, almost like pulling out strands from cotton. the audeze fabric is much more solid and rougher, so hair wont get stuck as easily. If I'm wrong I'll let you know in a few months after they get used more lol.

 

[Lohb]

  Do the leather padded LCDs have a thicker pad between the driver and your ear?  I also have non-leather pads with that super thin filter and it does seem like hair could find its way into the driver quite easily.

I have 2.1 pad and the dust filter is much thicker...you really want it as thin as possible, because if the can is not treble bright there is no reason for a thick filter.
As long as it seals, no hair should get through.

 

[madwolfa]

  I'm just as interested as you as to why these differences are occuring, when it is such LF noise that's being affected. I'm an objectivist too, (little 'o', haha).

 
On another hand, I've also seen someone posting a graph from his Fazor'd LCD-2, which looked much worse than mine (steeper roll-off below 50-60 Hz, much like LCD-3)
 
So variation between headphones is here at play too. Maybe they've addressed that in later production models like mine so I'm not noticing anything? Of course I have no idea how older LCD-2 sounds...

 

[Megalomaniak]

  actually the whole time i had an issue with the bass, and when i used to read how good the bass is on non fazor i was saying dam why don't i agree with them, but now come to know i have the fazor it kinda explains everything why the bass is not as people say
 
i was wondering can i downgrade to prefazor, are all audeze after 2013 fazor
 
is there anything that can improve the bass on fazor lcd2 like a cable or anything else, damping, or modding

 
The most common problem of the people who finds the LCD-2 bass weak is the idea of the bass they had before. LCD-2 bass, Fazor or Pre-Fazor, is extraordinary, lineal, textured, controlled, fast, punchy. And that is a very good bass. You want quantity bass? Then get another headphone. Quantity =! Quality.

 

[Sound Eq]

i am confused does the lcd 3 have more bass or less than lcd2 rev 2 fazor version

 

[DarrenLays]

   
I haven't heard leather LCD-2s, but I love my suede pads. Very comfortable and breathable.
 
Can't say anything about the sound though... I like the bass as it is (even with Fazor) and I'm doing a lot of EDM (psy/prog trance, dubstep and dark d'n'b).

 
 
How warm do they get after a few hours of use?  I wear my LCD-2F sometimes 10 hours a day, the leather is never uncomfortable, but it does get pretty hot after awhile.  Not enough to warrant taking them off in annoyance, but enough to notice it.