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Oct 9, 2023 at 11:49 PM Post #66,331 of 89,373
Watercooler Top 3 Fall 2023 Final Tally

Top 10:


Fir Rn6 x18
Oriolus Traillii x16
Subtonic Storm x15
Elysian Annihilator x15
Fir Xe6 x15
Campfire Audio Trifecta x14
Sony IER Z1R x10
Noble Audio Viking x9
Nightjar Singularity x9

Empire Ears Raven x8

VIsion Ears Phönix/LE x6
Campfire Audio Bonneville x6
Unique Melody Mentor x6
Unique Melody Amber Pearl x5
Fir Electron 12 x5
Aroma Jewel x5
VE/AK Aura x5
Noble Ronin x4
FATfreq Grand Maestro x4
Elysian Diva x4
FatFreq Maestro SE x4
Penon 10th x4
Aroma Fei Wan x4
Fitear DC TI x4
64 Audio a/u12t x4
Empire/AK Odyssey x4
AüR Audio Neon Pro x3
Symphonium Crimson x3
NightJar Duality x3
Dita Perpetua x3
Apple Airpods Pro 2 x3
Unique Melody Mason x3

Sennheiser ie600 x2
Aroma Thunder x2
Campfire Audio Supermoon x2
Vision Ears EXT x2
Vision Ears VEX x2
Sound Rhyme DTE900 x2
Empire Ears Legend Evo x2
Final Audio E5000 x2
Night Oblivion Butastur x2
Softears Turii Ti x2
Custom Art Fibae 5 x2
Campfire Audio Andromeda x2
Nostalgia Audio Camelot x2
AüR Audio Aurora x2
Sound Rhyme SR8 x2
64 Audio u4s x2
Simphonio P0 x2
7th Acoustics Supernova x2
Thieaudio Monarch MKii/iii x2
Oriolus Szalayi x2

Sennheiser ie900
Empire Ears Bravado MKii
IMR Acoustics Titan
IKKO OH5 Asgard
UM Mest
Fitear TG334
Etymotic ER4XR
634ears Miroak-II Cocobolo
Hyla Audio TE-5B
Plunge Audio Unity
Penon Serial
64 Audio a/u18s
Canpur 622B
Vision Ears VE8
Campfire Andromeda Emerald Sea
MA Eclipse
64 Audio Fourte Blanc
KIwi Ears Cadenza
Shure KSE-1200
Goldplanar GL-AMT16
Shure SE846
Kinera Imperial Loki
Beyerdynamic Xelento 2
FATfreq Maestro Mini
Campfire Audio Ponderosa
Softears Turii
Rhapsodio Eden
Ambient Acoustics MAD24
64 Audio Nio
Unique Melody Le Jardin
Custom Art Hybrid 3 Pro
Custom Art FIBAE 7 Unlimited
Moondrop Variations
Penon Impact
Soranik Basilica
Truthear Nova
64 Audio Volume
Empire Ears Legend X
Technics EAH-TZ700
Kiwi ears Quintet,
Empire Ears Valkyrie
Penon Orb
TGX Ear Serratus
Rhapsodio Supreme V3
Audeze LCD-i4
Elysian Dio (Proto)
Fir Kr5
ISN EST50
Empire Ears Odin
Madoo 821
Acoustune HS2000mx
MMR Thummim

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Stellar job tracking these surveys and keeping this thread fresh and interesting!
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Oct 9, 2023 at 11:53 PM Post #66,332 of 89,373
Stellar job tracking these surveys and keeping this thread fresh and interesting! awesome 2.jpg

Thanks man. I enjoy doing it. I have a fetish for lists.
 
Oct 9, 2023 at 11:58 PM Post #66,333 of 89,373
Watercooler Top 3 Fall 2023 Final Tally

Top 10:


Fir Rn6 x18
Oriolus Traillii x16
Subtonic Storm x15
Elysian Annihilator x15
Fir Xe6 x15
Campfire Audio Trifecta x14
Sony IER Z1R x10
Noble Audio Viking x9
Nightjar Singularity x9

Empire Ears Raven x8

VIsion Ears Phönix/LE x6
Campfire Audio Bonneville x6
Unique Melody Mentor x6
Unique Melody Amber Pearl x5
Fir Electron 12 x5
Aroma Jewel x5
VE/AK Aura x5
Noble Ronin x4
FATfreq Grand Maestro x4
Elysian Diva x4
FatFreq Maestro SE x4
Penon 10th x4
Aroma Fei Wan x4
Fitear DC TI x4
64 Audio a/u12t x4
Empire/AK Odyssey x4
AüR Audio Neon Pro x3
Symphonium Crimson x3
NightJar Duality x3
Dita Perpetua x3
Apple Airpods Pro 2 x3
Unique Melody Mason x3

Sennheiser ie600 x2
Aroma Thunder x2
Campfire Audio Supermoon x2
Vision Ears EXT x2
Vision Ears VEX x2
Sound Rhyme DTE900 x2
Empire Ears Legend Evo x2
Final Audio E5000 x2
Night Oblivion Butastur x2
Softears Turii Ti x2
Custom Art Fibae 5 x2
Campfire Audio Andromeda x2
Nostalgia Audio Camelot x2
AüR Audio Aurora x2
Sound Rhyme SR8 x2
64 Audio u4s x2
Simphonio P0 x2
7th Acoustics Supernova x2
Thieaudio Monarch MKii/iii x2
Oriolus Szalayi x2

Sennheiser ie900
Empire Ears Bravado MKii
IMR Acoustics Titan
IKKO OH5 Asgard
UM Mest
Fitear TG334
Etymotic ER4XR
634ears Miroak-II Cocobolo
Hyla Audio TE-5B
Plunge Audio Unity
Penon Serial
64 Audio a/u18s
Canpur 622B
Vision Ears VE8
Campfire Andromeda Emerald Sea
MA Eclipse
64 Audio Fourte Blanc
KIwi Ears Cadenza
Shure KSE-1200
Goldplanar GL-AMT16
Shure SE846
Kinera Imperial Loki
Beyerdynamic Xelento 2
FATfreq Maestro Mini
Campfire Audio Ponderosa
Softears Turii
Rhapsodio Eden
Ambient Acoustics MAD24
64 Audio Nio
Unique Melody Le Jardin
Custom Art Hybrid 3 Pro
Custom Art FIBAE 7 Unlimited
Moondrop Variations
Penon Impact
Soranik Basilica
Truthear Nova
64 Audio Volume
Empire Ears Legend X
Technics EAH-TZ700
Kiwi ears Quintet,
Empire Ears Valkyrie
Penon Orb
TGX Ear Serratus
Rhapsodio Supreme V3
Audeze LCD-i4
Elysian Dio (Proto)
Fir Kr5
ISN EST50
Empire Ears Odin
Madoo 821
Acoustune HS2000mx
MMR Thummim

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Great list. Few have been perched there consistently for consecutive seasons and few old horses IEMs still maintaining their hold in upper echelons. And a few latest sensations.
Another old horse Odin loosing ground is interesting but Raven taking its place is a welcome sight. Have to see how long the newcomers can hold their ground.
 
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Oct 10, 2023 at 12:12 AM Post #66,335 of 89,373
What I find most interesting about this is are the IEMs that have a high number of votes despite being very new and elusive or even unreleased. Storm, Singularity, CA Bonneville, Fir E12 etc. Some exciting times ahead !
It became quite exciting after Canjam SoCal.
 
Oct 10, 2023 at 1:29 AM Post #66,336 of 89,373
Watercooler Top 3 Fall 2023 Final Tally

Top 10:


Fir Rn6 x18
Oriolus Traillii x16
Subtonic Storm x15
Elysian Annihilator x15
Fir Xe6 x15
Campfire Audio Trifecta x14
Sony IER Z1R x10
Noble Audio Viking x9
Nightjar Singularity x9

Empire Ears Raven x8

VIsion Ears Phönix/LE x6
Campfire Audio Bonneville x6
Unique Melody Mentor x6
Unique Melody Amber Pearl x5
Fir Electron 12 x5
Aroma Jewel x5
VE/AK Aura x5
Noble Ronin x4
FATfreq Grand Maestro x4
Elysian Diva x4
FatFreq Maestro SE x4
Penon 10th x4
Aroma Fei Wan x4
Fitear DC TI x4
64 Audio a/u12t x4
Empire/AK Odyssey x4
AüR Audio Neon Pro x3
Symphonium Crimson x3
NightJar Duality x3
Dita Perpetua x3
Apple Airpods Pro 2 x3
Unique Melody Mason x3

Sennheiser ie600 x2
Aroma Thunder x2
Campfire Audio Supermoon x2
Vision Ears EXT x2
Vision Ears VEX x2
Sound Rhyme DTE900 x2
Empire Ears Legend Evo x2
Final Audio E5000 x2
Night Oblivion Butastur x2
Softears Turii Ti x2
Custom Art Fibae 5 x2
Campfire Audio Andromeda x2
Nostalgia Audio Camelot x2
AüR Audio Aurora x2
Sound Rhyme SR8 x2
64 Audio u4s x2
Simphonio P0 x2
7th Acoustics Supernova x2
Thieaudio Monarch MKii/iii x2
Oriolus Szalayi x2

Sennheiser ie900
Empire Ears Bravado MKii
IMR Acoustics Titan
IKKO OH5 Asgard
UM Mest
Fitear TG334
Etymotic ER4XR
634ears Miroak-II Cocobolo
Hyla Audio TE-5B
Plunge Audio Unity
Penon Serial
64 Audio a/u18s
Canpur 622B
Vision Ears VE8
Campfire Andromeda Emerald Sea
MA Eclipse
64 Audio Fourte Blanc
KIwi Ears Cadenza
Shure KSE-1200
Goldplanar GL-AMT16
Shure SE846
Kinera Imperial Loki
Beyerdynamic Xelento 2
FATfreq Maestro Mini
Campfire Audio Ponderosa
Softears Turii
Rhapsodio Eden
Ambient Acoustics MAD24
64 Audio Nio
Unique Melody Le Jardin
Custom Art Hybrid 3 Pro
Custom Art FIBAE 7 Unlimited
Moondrop Variations
Penon Impact
Soranik Basilica
Truthear Nova
64 Audio Volür
Empire Ears Legend X
Technics EAH-TZ700
Kiwi ears Quintet,
Empire Ears Valkyrie
Penon Orb
TGX Ear Serratus
Rhapsodio Supreme V3
Audeze LCD-i4
Elysian Dio (Proto)
Fir Kr5
ISN EST50
Empire Ears Odin
Madoo 821
Acoustune HS2000mx
MMR Thummim

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Very nice list. I own the top 9.
 
Oct 10, 2023 at 1:40 AM Post #66,337 of 89,373
Oct 10, 2023 at 1:41 AM Post #66,338 of 89,373
Nice review of my favourite portable player.
I’m not sure if you mentioned this but it has a 20 band EQ (contrasted with the usual 10 band) which works like a charm for those who like to tweak sound. Also as someone who does not stream at all I can vouch that I typically get well north of 12 hours playtime per charge and idle battery drain is minimal. This is a great little player imho
I highly recommend purchasing a tempered glass screen protector for your SR35, like one of these:
https://www.amazon.com/brotect-Screen-Protector-compatible-Astell/dp/B0CCSY6J2P

The screen protectors supplied with the SR35 (and SR25 before that) have a very matte finish, and visually I find third party tempered glass protectors are much sharper and clearer. They are more reflective however, if you happen to use your SR35 screen in direct sunlight often. Indoors though they're a massive improvement.
 
Oct 10, 2023 at 1:54 AM Post #66,339 of 89,373
Thanks man. I enjoy doing it. I have a fetish for lists.
Yeah! As always, thanks a lot for all the data and hard work! That’s really helpful for the community! :)

In order to satisfy your lists fetishism, I’d like to submit a little suggestion, if you don’t mind! :D

The suggestion would be mostly for the big yearly survey where you collect all sorts of information like the iems demoed and so on.
Since you have the data, I was wondering if it would be possible (especially not too cumbersome) to add the number of people who actually demoed each iems next to the number of votes they got?
I think it would make the list even more interesting. Like having the success rate of each iems.
Because if, for example, one set gets 15 votes out of 100 people while another got 10 votes out of 10 people, I would be inclined to think the latter is more successful, despite having less total votes.

I don’t know what you guys think?

Also, I don’t mean to be greedy and give you too much work! What you’re doing is absolutely awesome already! I don’t know how hard or time consuming it would be to add that, but if it’s easy, that could be very valuable info!

Cheers,

Julien
 
Oct 10, 2023 at 1:56 AM Post #66,340 of 89,373
I want a really neutral DAP with better amplification than the SP3000
Since the SP3000's sound is definitely in the "neutral" category, and it has great amplification, why would you want to change it? Just to have an open android?
 
Oct 10, 2023 at 2:37 AM Post #66,341 of 89,373
The N30LE is undoubtedly expensive but it's a TOTL standalone device. Arguably quite a bit more portable than a DAP + interconnect + amp combo which I'd personally classify as really just transportable.
With its weight of 650 g and dimensions, the N30LE is also only in the "transportable" category. Portable DAPs are others
 
Oct 10, 2023 at 2:44 AM Post #66,342 of 89,373
1. N30LE is worth more than WM1ZM2 and SP3000 combined as neither scales so high
It seems to me like a statement made only to justify the crazy price you paid (13,000 US dollars) for this version of N30LE AP
 
Oct 10, 2023 at 2:53 AM Post #66,343 of 89,373
Hardly can agree with you on this, sorry.
SP3K has the weakest amp among all TOTL offerings. It will make STEALTH sound loud enough, but bass would be anemic and dynamics compromised.
Even more powerful N8ii won’t drive this DCA headphone properly and it has much more juice.
Only stuff like DX320 MAX, RS8 or M9+ would be able to, imo.

I wrote about this before, but let me reiterate, that I have considered purchasing several different TOTL desktop amplifiers, including T+A HA200, Felix Envy, Vioelectric Nimbus. I had them on loan sometimes for several days.

Neither of them seemed a large enough improvement over a naked SP3k for me to justify their high price.

I'm not saying that SP3k was better than a desktop amp, but it was definitely good enough and the improvements seemed unimportant.

Maybe I'm not very amp-sensitive, maybe I like to listen to music rather quietly, maybe I like the soft style of AK reproduction.

Only Woo Audio WA33 and/or Chord Dave so far did made me drop my jaw.

And N30LE seems an improvement, although not as large as WA33 and Dave.
 
Oct 10, 2023 at 3:05 AM Post #66,344 of 89,373
Oct 10, 2023 at 3:10 AM Post #66,345 of 89,373
It seems to me like a statement made only to justify the crazy price you paid (13,000 US dollars) for this version of N30LE AP

No, it's a similar answer to a question pushed further:

Is AP worth more than 300 cheapo earbuds from Aliexpress?

Yes, one superb earphone is worth more than 300 crappy earbuds.

This is pushed to the edge of course.

But again, it's better to have one summit-fi DAP than two "just" hi-end DAPs.
 

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